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Building wealth, an ambitious student looking for insight

sahtt said:
I'm graduating from the University of TX next year with a major in Economics and Minor in Mandarin Chinese. I've been on my own financially for the majority of the last 4-5 years and have done 'ok', 2k in debt currently, no interest loan. I have a net worth of around 25k currently. I have been fortunate enough to own several nice cars by buying/selling them for profit. I have got out of that because the stress of doing so every 3 months is simply not worth it anymore. I try to avoid working during the school year, but work in distribution centers in the summer months to cover my expenses.

I'm looking for advice from those that have already trekked down this path. I read a lot on various topics, real estate, the stock market, etc., but it's difficult to find more 'general' advice. I value the knowledge I receive from this site and it's many successful members greatly. I read a lot of John Mauldin's material as well.

I realize this is a very broad topic, but I'm debating on how to approach life financially after college. I have good enough grades to get into a decent law school, but that will give me further financial stress which is extremely tiresome, but I'm always willing to make sacrifices. I have already put off having a family, time will tell whether that was the right thing to do. I was thinking get the law/masters after 4 or 5 years when I can do it without living dollar to dollar.

Get a 3-4 collaboration going and try to build a company? Get a foot-hold in the expansive, lucrative Houston area real estate market [only large city I'm aware of with basically zero zoning restrictions]? Try to get 60k a year making someone else rich and save until I have 6 figures to invest? I've worked enough hours and sweated enough as is to realize life is short and I don't want to waste time.

I have enough work experience and understanding of economic infrastructure to realize getting a job making someone else rich is not going to get me where I need to go, not without an electrical engineering etc. degree. Any literature, tips, or combinations of degrees that would bring about leverage in the marketplace in my favor is all greatly appreciated.

A Longhorn?!! Oh man, you're so screwed. :biggrin:

Some good advice in this thread, esp SteveNY - $$ not necessarily equating to happiness. Only two things to add:

1. Keep saving, while working for others - you'll learn a lot about business and on someone elses dime. Further, you'll have the capital to go out on your own when the time comes and you have a great idea.

2. Go where "it's happening" in whatever field you are interested in and good at. I heard that originally from Chris Matthews, who's been in DC for years. If you like politics, go to DC. Wanna be an actor, go to LA (or the Valley :rolleyes: ). Finance? NYC. IT - the other Valley. Your chances of moving fast will be infinitely greater when you're surrounded by ideas, people & connections in a given industry.

Good luck to you.
 
Was checking out this thread looking for financial advice of my own.

I am curious though. How are doing toward your goal sahtt now 5 years later?
 
This may sound optimistic, but I am 100% determined to reach 1,000,000 net worth by 30 years of age. If I'm driving a 96 coralla from an auto auction I purchased for 500$, so be it. I can only fathom what that takes at this point, but I have the will and I know there is a way.

I stopped reading this thread at this point. This is my opinion so take it for what its worth or simply ignore.

Reading the above I simply think to myself "really?". That's your goal in life is to have $1million by 30? Why? I understand everyone has the right to do whatever it is they want to but at your age you should be travelling, partying, going to school (Uni or College) then starting to work in a career that makes you happy - not because you need to be rich. What a sad life you'll have if all you are concerned with is making money and that's it. Truthfully, to achieve that amount you'll need to work your arse off at the expense of living (unless you are truly lucky to be a leader in your field or attain some level of incredible business success) and guess what? You don't get those years back!

Trust me life happens and when it does it throws all kinds of fun in your way (death, sickness, depression, etc) - oh but wait you've got millions so its all good. :rolleyes:

The route I took was high school, professional jet-ski racing for another 6 years, travelled, had fun, etc. then went back to college and gained my degree. Still continued to work for a snowboarding company, worked my arse off in my field of Supply Chain and Logistics and ended up in Dubai. Worked now another 6 years tax-free whilst saving as much as I could while still attending Formula One races, world travel, married, first child, and now I'll be returning home with a lifetimes experience both personally and professionally. Best part of it was that I was able to have my cake and eat it too (saved and enjoyed life).

Try it....you won't regret it and wealth will come at the same time.:smile:

EDIT - HAha...just realized this was an old thread but I whole heartedly stand by my comments. Life is just too short to not enjoy it.
 
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I'm graduating from the University of TX next year with a major in Economics and Minor in Mandarin Chinese. I've been on my own financially for the majority of the last 4-5 years and have done 'ok', 2k in debt currently, no interest loan. I have a net worth of around 25k currently. I have been fortunate enough to own several nice cars by buying/selling them for profit. I have got out of that because the stress of doing so every 3 months is simply not worth it anymore. I try to avoid working during the school year, but work in distribution centers in the summer months to cover my expenses.

I'm looking for advice from those that have already trekked down this path. I read a lot on various topics, real estate, the stock market, etc., but it's difficult to find more 'general' advice. I value the knowledge I receive from this site and it's many successful members greatly. I read a lot of John Mauldin's material as well.

I realize this is a very broad topic, but I'm debating on how to approach life financially after college. I have good enough grades to get into a decent law school, but that will give me further financial stress which is extremely tiresome, but I'm always willing to make sacrifices. I have already put off having a family, time will tell whether that was the right thing to do. I was thinking get the law/masters after 4 or 5 years when I can do it without living dollar to dollar.

Get a 3-4 collaboration going and try to build a company? Get a foot-hold in the expansive, lucrative Houston area real estate market [only large city I'm aware of with basically zero zoning restrictions]? Try to get 60k a year making someone else rich and save until I have 6 figures to invest? I've worked enough hours and sweated enough as is to realize life is short and I don't want to waste time.

I have enough work experience and understanding of economic infrastructure to realize getting a job making someone else rich is not going to get me where I need to go, not without an electrical engineering etc. degree. Any literature, tips, or combinations of degrees that would bring about leverage in the marketplace in my favor is all greatly appreciated.

a million dollars is not a lot of money anymore. if you do not have a million in the bank when you retire in 30 years you will not be able to even buy a home, assuming 3% INFLATION.
regarding investment choices the best thing i have ever done is discovering bonds. everyone pushes stocks. take a good look at bonds also.
and take a course or two in economics.
 
This may sound optimistic, but I am 100% determined to reach 1,000,000 net worth by 30 years of age. If I'm driving a 96 coralla from an auto auction I purchased for 500$, so be it. I can only fathom what that takes at this point, but I have the will and I know there is a way.

WHY? I like that you are goal oriented but saying I am going to live poor to have a million dollars in net assets is just plain dumb. What are you going to do after you reach the $1M goal? Blow it - not likely. Most likely you will reset your goal to $2MM and live the same way. Acquiring $$ shouldn't be a goal in life. Money is just a vehicle to enjoy life. If all you focus on is the $ value then you will skip the most important part of life ---- ENJOYING IT!.

Btw - I turned 41 this month. I used to think just like you when I was 21.:wink:

Finally - IMHO the fastest way to "acquire wealth" is through an education. You obviously like the wall street action so I would either go that direction or go to law school. I am sure their is an international hedge fund out their that is looking for young smart guys who can speak Chinese and travel there.
 
One meeeeelllion dolleerz!

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I’ll just throw this out there as some food for thought. Not directed at anyone specifically and I’m just speaking in generalities. People who don’t have as much money (I’ll generically call them poor) often have misconceptions about those who do have a lot of money (I’ll generically call them rich) and conversely people who do have a lot of money (rich) often have misconceptions about those who don’t have a lot of money (poor). However, it is much, much more frequent that those rich people, at some point, were poor, and therefore have a perspective of what it was like to be poor as well as rich. Conversely, poor people more often than not, were never rich ever in their life, so they have absolutely no perspective or frame of reference as what it is like to be rich. As a result, most of their ideas and concepts of the rich are based on speculation and hearsay and are wildly inaccurate.

I’ve been fortunate to run the spectrum of wealth. From very poor, thousands of dollars in debt, making minimum wage, all the way to having multiple properties and making well over a half a million a year. I can honestly say my understanding of being rich while I was poor was very mis-informed, and it took making a lot of money to truly understand that.

The first thing I learned was that money isn’t bad or evil and that making money isn’t bad or evil. It’s like a gun, it can be used for as much good or evil as the user wants to do with it. Money simply is freedom. Freedom to do what you want to do. People talk about enjoying life, taking care of family and friends. Money allows you to do that. After making a lot of money, I am free to finally do the things I enjoy. Whereas money used to be my restriction, I now have the financial freedom to do the things I do enjoy and travel to the places I want to learn from. Or not. That’s the point. Money gives me that freedom to make that decision. Money has also allowed me to pay for services like my yard maintenance and house cleaning, so I can spend more time with my friends and family. When my father was ill, money gave me the freedom to see him and not worry about the cost of a last minute plane ticket or paying for his medical bills and funeral. The more money you have the more freedom you have. And I have found that working hard now, gives you a lot of free time later because once you have money, it is much easier to make more money. It’s the just like the story of the ants and the grasshoppers; the ant’s hard work in the summer paid off in the winter.

Additionally, people have the mis-conception that wanting to make a lot of money makes you greedy. If fact it is the opposite. I found that in making a lot more money I have become far more generous than I ever was. Whereas I had to save my money to pay for bills, now I can give a lot more time and money to charities because I have the disposable income to give. I tip generously and I will often fight to pay for the entire bill for a meal with any of my friends or family. Ironically I use the word “fight” because I’ve also found that more affluent people are equally generous and will fight to pay for these tabs because they can as well. This was not the case when I was poorer, along with the people I interacted with. I can afford more generous gifts or set up 529 college funds for my niece and nephew. All of this made possible by my desire, will, determination and ambition to make a lot of money and to save money wisely. In this regard, one can never have enough money because there are an infinite number of things you can do “good” with that money. In this regard, the act of making a lot of money is anything but greedy, but the opposite because with more money the more freedom one has to do “good” with it. The example I constantly give is to look at Bill Gates and Warren Buffet. Arguably two of the richest people in the world, yet they are some of the most generous. And generous and charitable things that they have done over the years would never have been possible if it wasn’t for their desire and determination to make a lot of money.

Lastly, I’ll say this. What I like about individual people striving to make money is that there is no negative tradeoff for doing so. And what I mean is that, suppose the total income of all of the people in the US was $100. And we taxed 10% for a net tax revenue of $10. With that $10 we need to pay for all services such as schools and military etc. So if I put more money into the military, then I’m taking away from the schools; there is a negative tradeoff. However, if someone was to make more money and increase the total income of the people of the US to $150, then the tax income would be $15. With that additional $15 we could put more of that to the military and still pay the same amount to the schools. The point being is, if more people had the determination to make more money, then there would more money to go around and more money to fund things we can all use (or at least fix this deficit). On any given year, I will pay anywhere from $100,000 to $180,000 in taxes. One guy, in one year. I don’t have kids that go to public schools. I don’t use the police or fire department. I don’t go to the library. I don’t use Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, Social Security, nor do I really support these wars. So it is clear that I put in a LOT more into the system then I am using my fair share. So essentially by making a lot of money, a lot more people can benefit from my tax contribution. This is only more so with the Bill Gates and Warren Buffets of the world. So if more people made more money, the more it would contribute to the system.

Making more money helps everyone because it gives more to the system that everyone can draw from. Making more money gives the individual more freedom. Making more money can encourage generosity because one no longer has to worry about the necessities; everything becomes disposable income. Making more money make take away more time in the short term, opens up the door for more time in the long term. Making more money allows people to take care of loved ones, friends and family in the way they would like to.

Just some food for thought...
 
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The economics of Las Vegas aside :)biggrin:), I agree with your post. There is nothing wrong with desiring or obtaining wealth, Its the motives and the actions that a person takes that define them as greedy, generous etc.
 
Since the OP is five years old, I'd be interested in hearing an update from sahtt on how his plan is going, and what changes he's made along the way.
 
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The economics of Las Vegas aside :)biggrin:), I agree with your post. There is nothing wrong with desiring or obtaining wealth, Its the motives and the actions that a person takes that define them as greedy, generous etc.

Lol. Wow I'm surprised after our lengthy discussion on Vegas opulent spending. :biggrin: I guess I should have added that making lots of money also buys the freedom to spend on giant magnums of Dom. :tongue::biggrin:

So did you make it to Vegas yet or is that still yet to come?
 
Lol. Wow I'm surprised after our lengthy discussion on Vegas opulent spending. :biggrin: I guess I should have added that making lots of money also buys the freedom to spend on giant magnums of Dom. :tongue::biggrin:

So did you make it to Vegas yet or is that still yet to come?

Since your entire post was about the increased ability to be generous with wealth, I feel its in line with my original hope that the baller who dropped 170k (ish) at Tryst, was also equally generous with his money for the benefit of others. Makes sense to me at least.

Vegas 5/21-24 for B day on 5/23. Had a blast, shared the spending around the strip, and even off strip a little (when the F is In and Out gonna migrate up the coast to Oregon and Washington :mad:). No Dom, but as we went sans baby, we did fit in as much debauchery as we could :wink:.

We've been planning a trip for August, this was just a last minute surprise from the wife, so I'll donate a little more to Vegas' recovery in a few months.
 
Since your entire post was about the increased ability to be generous with wealth, I feel its in line with my original hope that the baller who dropped 170k (ish) at Tryst, was also equally generous with his money for the benefit of others. Makes sense to me at least.

Vegas 5/21-24 for B day on 5/23. Had a blast, shared the spending around the strip, and even off strip a little (when the F is In and Out gonna migrate up the coast to Oregon and Washington :mad:). No Dom, but as we went sans baby, we did fit in as much debauchery as we could :wink:.

We've been planning a trip for August, this was just a last minute surprise from the wife, so I'll donate a little more to Vegas' recovery in a few months.

Well you really couldn't have dialed in any better weather for your time here as it was totally spot on. I called ahead. You're welcome. :biggrin:

Glad you had fun. If you are a burger guy, next time you come, take a slight detour to a place called Grind Burger Bar on Tropicana just east of Las Vegas Blvd. It's literally across the street where planes will be landing at McCarran. Order the Juicy Lucy there. Bring a bib. :smile:
 
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