Thank You Factor X with my CTSC

[HotRod]

A few months back I travelled the desert to Factor X in Sin City to help me get more out of my CTSC. They installed the AEM EMS, 440 injectors, new FPR, Fuel rail etc. They also spent countless hours tuning my car to getting it into fighting shape. Now the car is an absolute blast to drive with more low end torque, increased HP(from 320 to over 360), improved AFR and greater piece of mind for this driver. Mike and Ken have been very responsive to my phone calls and have really made me feel better about strapping the CTSC on my very much beloved NSX.

Last night I had the opportunity to test my NSX against a 2002 911 turbo owned by one of my neighbors. We drove nose to nose from light to light through a mildly windy highway. My neighbor said that he was impressed with my red 92 X with 104k. For the NSX community, I neglected to tell him what that black box with the pulley atop the V6 was.

Thank you Factor X

Rod
92 Red
CTSC, Comptech HE, Short Gears, 4.235 R&P, AEM EMS

 

[matteni]

Happy for you / sounds awesome...

Can you give us a ballpark $ of the money for tuning, AEM, and fuel system hardware on top of your CTSC?

 

[HotRod]

My bill says:

AEM unit $1595

AEM, Injectors, electronics install $240

Dyno Tuning $250

Don't quote me on the totals because I had a few other things done along with the AEM install.

Call the Ken/Mike they will give you a better estimate.

Rod

 

[DDozier]

Very Interesting, do you have any dyno graphs from the tunning process that you can post.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[robr]

im really happy that FX made you happy, but I think the most disturbing thing I saw about your post was that with a CTSC you were making only 320hp at the wheels?!?!? That just doesn't seem right for that kind of investment. What you have now is MUCH more like it!

 

[NetViper]

Sounds great! I like the fact that you could keep up with a 911 Turbo

Do you have the standard 6lbs kit?

 

[CiaoBoy]

im really happy that FX made you happy, but I think the most disturbing thing I saw about your post was that with a CTSC you were making only 320hp at the wheels?!?!? That just doesn't seem right for that kind of investment. What you have now is MUCH more like it!

320rwhp seems like the correct figure for a CTSC on a stock 3.0L without any other mods.

-CiaoBoy

 

[robr]

well, im at 270 with just i/h/e on my 3.0 as are many others, so 50hp more really doesnt seem right. i suppose this has already been discussed to death elsewhere, that just seemed like a VERY low figure to me, that's all.

 

[CiaoBoy]

well, im at 270 with just i/h/e on my 3.0 as are many others, so 50hp more really doesnt seem right. i suppose this has already been discussed to death elsewhere, that just seemed like a VERY low figure to me, that's all.

Yeah, this has probably been discussed to death somewhere.

These are my personal experiences:

I started at 243rwhp stock, and only gained about 19rwhp with I/H/E to end up at 262rwhp. After adding the supercharger, I am at 328rwhp, so that was a gain of only 66rwhp. I think on average the CTSC adds about 70rwhp.

-CiaoBoy

 

[KGP]

well, im at 270 with just i/h/e on my 3.0 as are many others, so 50hp more really doesnt seem right.

And who's to say your car wouldn't test at 245 on the dyno his just tested on.

I would think that by now we understand that there are a plethera of factors that can account for large differences in how results for a given car might show; Type of dyno, weather, altitude, corrections, etc. What's important is whether the reported before number was achieved on the same dyno or not. That we didn't hear. It's the difference between the baseline test and the testing afer completion that tells the story.

 

[93B18]

Let's see some dyno charts. I'm sure the torque curves have significantly changed since though. It seems that some are too concerned about peak hp numbers more than anything else. Let's look at the total area under the curve for both tq and hp.

 

[HotRod]

Sorry about the late reply. My DSL at work bombed because of too much entering my phone line.

You can see similar dyno results from Jeff or RacerXling who has a very similar system to mine at:


www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30939

The torque is now entering in at lower RPMs and the car really pulls better off the stop.

Any further questions about my setup you should call Mike at Factor X - 702-644-3278

Rod

 

[NetViper]

So you have the 9lbs kit then..?

 

[HotRod]

High boost - Yes that would be correct.

Rod

 

[NYC01]

I am discouraged now....

I have a 01 that I just got.
I moved from a 2001 BMW M COUPE which had
the current M3 engine in it. That car had 315 HP stock.
I am about to get I/H/E and am planning on an SC in a year.
Now, generating 15-18 RHP is expected from the I/H/E,
but spending over $10K to get 70 additional RHP is
shocking. Why so low? And is it even worth it?

Jon

 

[NetViper]

Re: I am discouraged now....

I have a 01 that I just got.
I moved from a 2001 BMW M COUPE which had
the current M3 engine in it. That car had 315 HP stock.
I am about to get I/H/E and am planning on an SC in a year.
Now, generating 15-18 RHP is expected from the I/H/E,
but spending over $10K to get 70 additional RHP is
shocking. Why so low? And is it even worth it?

Jon

Well, first off, the NSX is not slow to start with. Your 01 coupe will beat a M coupe without much trouble. I know how torquey the M coupe is and I am sure you miss that feeling with the NSX. With the SC on there, your car will be REALLY quick. The HP numbers don't do justice to the feel of the extra TQ.

I would not bother doing Intake or Headers on your 01. The intake change makes no difference. A header change in an 01 will make next to no difference - maybe 5 HP if you are lucky. You will probably see a difference with the exhaust, but it will not be dramatic. My guess is if you did all of that to your 01 coupe you might get 11-13 HP depending on the exhaust. Not worth the money.

I think you are much better off getting the Anytime exhaust and slapping on the SC and possible the AEM fuel management. You can do the exhaust swap yourself and then get someone to do the SC.

You can always add headers and an intake down the road.

Maybe some FI guys will tell you something totally different..

Just my thoughts..

 

[NYC01]

Thanks for your input.

I guess I have to do some more research and
considerations....
A secondary question:

to add a SC, what other mods to the rest of the car do you
have to do to support the SC.... clutch, exhaust are obvious
ones to me? Is it true and are there other things?

Thanks,
Jon

 

[NetViper]

Re: Thanks for your input.

To add a SC, what other mods to the rest of the car do you
have to do to support the SC.... clutch, exhaust are obvious
ones to me? Is it true and are there other things?

I am not sure of everthing that you might want to do. That would be better left to guys with these setups.

I think Andy is still running an OEM clutch and he is putting down over 400 RWHP.

To me, your 01 coupe is one of the most desireable cars that anyone owns on this site. You might just want to enjoy it as it for a while.

Are you going to take it to a racetrack?

 

[NYC01]

Thanks.

I guess I've gotten the mod-itch! lol....

You are right about enjoying the car first.
But how can you not control yourself with all
that is out there for an NSX!!

Thanks again for the info.
Jon

 

[NetViper]

But how can you not control yourself with all
that is out there for an NSX!!

Thats easy... cause I am broke!

 

[NYC01]

Forgot to mention:

You have a beautiful car! I love the color! =)

Did you by the Anytime right off the bat or did you
compare different exhausts? Why did you pick Anytime?
Just wondering b/c I am in the market, but the wait till
NSXPO in my homestate this year is 6 whole months away
to see/hear comparisons!

Jon

 

[donwon]

I would not bother doing Intake or Headers on your 01. The intake change makes no difference. A header change in an 01 will make next to no difference - maybe 5 HP if you are lucky. You will probably see a difference with the exhaust, but it will not be dramatic. My guess is if you did all of that to your 01 coupe you might get 11-13 HP depending on the exhaust. Not worth the money.

Hes right. I did headers and exhaust on a 99 and saw no, zero, nada increase from baseline dyno numbers. Good foundation for FI though.

 

[KGP]

your 01 coupe is one of the most desireable cars

Is it a coupe? I must have missed that part.

headers and exhaust on a 99...Good foundation for FI though.

Define foundation

A) Better able to achieve higher power numbers with an FI setup? If so, at what level does it become important? I honestly couldn't feel one bit of difference from the H/E addition I made. I started at 369rwhp, peak.
B) Better control EGT's? What power level does that become important?
C) Other?
*) Some FI systems can't use any of the aftermarket exhausts, as they have their own exhaust system.

But how can you not control yourself with all
that is out there for an NSX!!

You can just say NO! The voices will only get louder after the first hit off the pipe.

what other mods to the rest of the car do you
have to do to support the SC.... clutch, exhaust are obvious
ones to me?

Clutch - how much power? 70rwhp addition - Stay stock until it's done, then you can consider something else. 200rwhp addition - might want to consider something stronger.

spending over $10K to get 70 additional RHP is shocking. Why so low? And is it even worth it?

You after peak hp or real world power, i.e., area under the curve? Worth it? Well that's relative, no?

Here's my advice to your mod-itch: Take your time. I mean really take your time. Frequent the FI forum regularly and read (and re-read) everything, paying close attention to members who have the systems and know what they are talking about. Or, like I said earlier, you can just say no. If you choose to hit the FI pipe, remember this: The devil is in the details. That you can bet your NSX on.