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Dawn will not remove Zaino. It's a synthetic polymer. Dawn will only remove conventional carnuaba waxes. It doesn't matter anyway because you probably don't have to remove the Zaino, because....
If the scratches are not deep, you can try the Z-5 Zaino for a few applications.
If the scratches are deep then you'll have to use a product that has a gentle abrasive, such as 3M Scratch Remover. It will cut through the Zaino.
Zymol HD-Cleanse, with its Kaopolite abrasive, might also be a good choice as well. It's probably more gentle than the 3M product, but I have not used this combination, so I can't comment on it. There may be other scratch removers that would work as well too. Just don't use a combination product that has waxes in it.
Once the scratch is removed, then just re-Zaino the area, and then apply Zaino as usual.
Perhaps some other Zaino users can comment as well.
-Jim
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1992 NSX Red/Blk 5 spd #0330
1991 NSX Blk/Blk Auto #3070 (Sold)
1974 Vette 454 4 spd Wht/Blk
http://homepage.mac.com/jimanders/PhotoAlbum1.html
[This message has been edited by Jimbo (edited 23 September 2002).]
If the scratches are not deep, you can try the Z-5 Zaino for a few applications.
If the scratches are deep then you'll have to use a product that has a gentle abrasive, such as 3M Scratch Remover. It will cut through the Zaino.
Zymol HD-Cleanse, with its Kaopolite abrasive, might also be a good choice as well. It's probably more gentle than the 3M product, but I have not used this combination, so I can't comment on it. There may be other scratch removers that would work as well too. Just don't use a combination product that has waxes in it.
Once the scratch is removed, then just re-Zaino the area, and then apply Zaino as usual.
Perhaps some other Zaino users can comment as well.
-Jim
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1992 NSX Red/Blk 5 spd #0330
1991 NSX Blk/Blk Auto #3070 (Sold)
1974 Vette 454 4 spd Wht/Blk
http://homepage.mac.com/jimanders/PhotoAlbum1.html
[This message has been edited by Jimbo (edited 23 September 2002).]
I have a scratch that supposedly has went down to the primer- if I run my fingernail over it, I can feel it dip into the scratch, its very fine too...
I was told by a body shop that it cant be buffed out and had to be repainted? I tried some Z5 but no scratch remover yet....
I was told by a body shop that it cant be buffed out and had to be repainted? I tried some Z5 but no scratch remover yet....
I was wondering how many times can u machine polish the car before the clear coat is completely gone? I had my car detailed and the place didn't want to remove too much clear coat from the surface of the car. However, I still have some water spot marks that aren't 100% completely gone yet. I want to take it to another place and have it detailed again but am concerned about the clearcoat.
My car is formula red so the clearcoat is tinted... an extra burden if u ask me... any input is great appreciated.
Ryan
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2001 NSX-T
- Bilstein Shocks
- '02 OEM Wheels
[This message has been edited by RyRy210 (edited 23 September 2002).]
My car is formula red so the clearcoat is tinted... an extra burden if u ask me... any input is great appreciated.
Ryan
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2001 NSX-T
- Bilstein Shocks
- '02 OEM Wheels
[This message has been edited by RyRy210 (edited 23 September 2002).]
A scratch that you can feel...is way too deep for Z5 and it might be too deep for any polish or scratch remover.
Z5 is good, but it can't repair damage like that. You might just have to live with it or get it repainted.
I personally would not machine polish my car on a routine basis. Particularly if they use anything that has an abrasive in it.
If you start with a clean, scratch-free surface, without water marks, (use 3M scratch remover if needed) and then use Zaino to protect the surface, you shouldn't need to machine polish at all.
http://www.zainobros.com/files/faq.htm#anchor37123
-Jim
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1992 NSX Red/Blk 5 spd #0330
1991 NSX Blk/Blk Auto #3070 (Sold)
1974 Vette 454 4 spd Wht/Blk
http://homepage.mac.com/jimanders/PhotoAlbum1.html
Z5 is good, but it can't repair damage like that. You might just have to live with it or get it repainted.
I personally would not machine polish my car on a routine basis. Particularly if they use anything that has an abrasive in it.
If you start with a clean, scratch-free surface, without water marks, (use 3M scratch remover if needed) and then use Zaino to protect the surface, you shouldn't need to machine polish at all.
http://www.zainobros.com/files/faq.htm#anchor37123
-Jim
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1992 NSX Red/Blk 5 spd #0330
1991 NSX Blk/Blk Auto #3070 (Sold)
1974 Vette 454 4 spd Wht/Blk
http://homepage.mac.com/jimanders/PhotoAlbum1.html
There are scratches, and there are scratches. Some scratches are very light, while others are deep. The same thing is true with any surface imperfection, such as RyRy210's water spots.
The basic principle in removing scratches is to start out with the mildest product; if it doesn't work, use something a little stronger; if that doesn't work, use something that's stronger still. However, the stronger the product, the better the chance you will be removing paint, and when you start removing paint, you may damage the finish. OTOH if you have a scratch that is so deep that you think you are going to need to repaint the panel anyway, stronger products may present less of a risk, just because they can be used as a last resort before taking it to a body shop for repainting.
Zymol HD-Cleanse is very mild; I use it routinely on my cars. I can go over the entire car with it, and it removes oxidation and light scratches and swirl marks and tar marks, yet doesn't remove any paint that's visible on the towel.
If there is a scratch that is deep enough to feel with your fingernail, HD-Cleanse definitely isn't going to remove it, so you'll want to try something stronger. I haven't used the 3M Scratch Remover that Jimbo mentions - in fact, I can't find a product with that name on the 3M website, although 3M has a variety of glazes and compounds shown there - but I have used the Meguiars #9 Swirl Remover 2.0, which I suspect is similar to what Jimbo is referring to. It's abrasive - sufficiently abrasive that it will wear down the paint ever so slightly (you can see it on your towel), but fine enough to leave the shine on the finish.
If the Meguiars or 3M aren't strong enough, the next step is to try something even stronger - either a rubbing compound or a very fine sandpaper. At this point, you are going to be taking off quite a bit of paint and when you're done you will need to buff the paint down with the Meguiars #9 or very fine sandpaper to restore the smooth finish after you're done. But, like Jimbo, at this point I would not want to use compounds or sandpaper myself; I would leave it to the services of a professional detailer or body shop.
[This message has been edited by nsxtasy (edited 23 September 2002).]
The basic principle in removing scratches is to start out with the mildest product; if it doesn't work, use something a little stronger; if that doesn't work, use something that's stronger still. However, the stronger the product, the better the chance you will be removing paint, and when you start removing paint, you may damage the finish. OTOH if you have a scratch that is so deep that you think you are going to need to repaint the panel anyway, stronger products may present less of a risk, just because they can be used as a last resort before taking it to a body shop for repainting.
Zymol HD-Cleanse is very mild; I use it routinely on my cars. I can go over the entire car with it, and it removes oxidation and light scratches and swirl marks and tar marks, yet doesn't remove any paint that's visible on the towel.
If there is a scratch that is deep enough to feel with your fingernail, HD-Cleanse definitely isn't going to remove it, so you'll want to try something stronger. I haven't used the 3M Scratch Remover that Jimbo mentions - in fact, I can't find a product with that name on the 3M website, although 3M has a variety of glazes and compounds shown there - but I have used the Meguiars #9 Swirl Remover 2.0, which I suspect is similar to what Jimbo is referring to. It's abrasive - sufficiently abrasive that it will wear down the paint ever so slightly (you can see it on your towel), but fine enough to leave the shine on the finish.
If the Meguiars or 3M aren't strong enough, the next step is to try something even stronger - either a rubbing compound or a very fine sandpaper. At this point, you are going to be taking off quite a bit of paint and when you're done you will need to buff the paint down with the Meguiars #9 or very fine sandpaper to restore the smooth finish after you're done. But, like Jimbo, at this point I would not want to use compounds or sandpaper myself; I would leave it to the services of a professional detailer or body shop.
[This message has been edited by nsxtasy (edited 23 September 2002).]
Do the polishes contain any silicon? I used some Meguiar's before I put the Zaino on, but I wondered about using it now - the FAQ implied to me the Dawn was to clean off silicon products as well, and I wasn't sure which polishes would be compatible - or if another wash of the area in Dawn before re-Zainoing was recommended.
No Zaino products contain any silicones or abrasives of any kind.
Silicones are typically added to waxes for several reasons. One reason is to make carnauba waxes softer and easier to apply. Carnauba is a hard brittle waxy substance and needs to be modified so you can apply it.
Companies also use plant oils for this same purpose. Some companies use both. Silicones and plant oils aren't particularly durable for a car finish. Like plant oils, they look good for short period of time but their lustre fades quickly when compared to the synthetics.
Dawn will remove old waxes (even those containing silicones) easily.
The big Waxtest report...
http://www.gurureports.org tested Pledge furniture polish which had a lot of silicones in it, and it lasted only short period of time.
It's a great report and has a lot of good information in it. Highly recommended.
-Jim
PS: The proper name for the 3M product is...
3M Perfect-It Swirl Mark Remover
You can do a Google search and find it easily. They have one for darker color cars (reds, blacks, etc). I'm not sure if they make a different formula for whites, silvers, etc.
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1992 NSX Red/Blk 5 spd #0330
1991 NSX Blk/Blk Auto #3070 (Sold)
1974 Vette 454 4 spd Wht/Blk
http://homepage.mac.com/jimanders/PhotoAlbum1.html
[This message has been edited by Jimbo (edited 23 September 2002).]
Silicones are typically added to waxes for several reasons. One reason is to make carnauba waxes softer and easier to apply. Carnauba is a hard brittle waxy substance and needs to be modified so you can apply it.
Companies also use plant oils for this same purpose. Some companies use both. Silicones and plant oils aren't particularly durable for a car finish. Like plant oils, they look good for short period of time but their lustre fades quickly when compared to the synthetics.
Dawn will remove old waxes (even those containing silicones) easily.
The big Waxtest report...
http://www.gurureports.org tested Pledge furniture polish which had a lot of silicones in it, and it lasted only short period of time.
It's a great report and has a lot of good information in it. Highly recommended.
-Jim
PS: The proper name for the 3M product is...
3M Perfect-It Swirl Mark Remover
You can do a Google search and find it easily. They have one for darker color cars (reds, blacks, etc). I'm not sure if they make a different formula for whites, silvers, etc.
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1992 NSX Red/Blk 5 spd #0330
1991 NSX Blk/Blk Auto #3070 (Sold)
1974 Vette 454 4 spd Wht/Blk
http://homepage.mac.com/jimanders/PhotoAlbum1.html
[This message has been edited by Jimbo (edited 23 September 2002).]
Aha! I thought maybe they had a different product called "Scratch Remover" in addition to their swirl mark remover. (Meguiars does.) Thanks for the clarification.
Incidentally, they do indeed have 3M™ Perfect-It™ Swirlmark Remover 39009 for dark colored paint finishes as well as 3M™ Perfect-It™ Swirlmark Remover 39109 for light colored paint finishes. The URLs are too long to insert links here, but you can get there from the 3M website navigating as follows:
Product Catalog for Automotive Aftermarket
> Car Care and Appearance Products
>> 3M™ Compounds, Glazes and Buffs (on the left part of the screen)
>>> 3M™ Glazes & Polishes
>>>> 3M™ Machine Applied Glazes
>>>>> 3M™ Perfect-It™ Foam Polishing Pad Glaze
>>>>>> 3M™ Perfect-It™ Swirlmark Remover 39009
>>>>>> 3M™ Perfect-It™ Swirlmark Remover 39109
[This message has been edited by nsxtasy (edited 23 September 2002).]
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