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    Ripping CD's

    I have all my CD's on my computer at home and they've always sounded ok on the cheap speakers there. But I also have them all on my Zune. I've recently put a system in my TSX and can now tell a pretty big difference between different songs or albums. Some sound good. Others sound very soft and crappy. Some have tons of bass while others that should have bass have none. I'm guessing this is due to different times and settings when they were ripped.

    I'd like to re-rip everything and then re-sync my Zune. Space not being an issue and wanting the songs to be at the highest quality, what is the best way to do this? Thanks in advance guys.
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    Re: Ripping CD's

    iTune. Rip them in 192 kbps or higher.
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    Re: Ripping CD's

    If you are using the Zune software, then in general I would suggest 256kbs stereo mp3

    If you care to optimize for space- Windows Media Audio Variable Bit Rate is another very good alternative; but most people prefer to keep their collections in the more widely recognized MP3 format and simply increase capacity.

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    Re: Ripping CD's

    Quote Originally Posted by John@Microsoft View Post
    If you are using the Zune software, then in general I would suggest 256kbs stereo mp3

    If you care to optimize for space- Windows Media Audio Variable Bit Rate is another very good alternative; but most people prefer to keep their collections in the more widely recognized MP3 format and simply increase capacity.
    I think that may be my problem. I was using Windows Media Player long before I ever got my Zune to rip CD's to my computer. The equilizer was probably always set at something different each time I ripped one. (no pun intended )

    I'll be redoing it all soon, but wanted to make sure that I was ripping them the best way.
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    Re: Ripping CD's

    EAC is what I use to rip, and I use LAME to encode. Use Variable BitRate, and set it to around 196-256 or so. It's a little more techy, lame runs in a command prompt, but it integrates into EAC after you do the setup.
    EAC - http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/
    LAME - http://jthz.com/~lame/


    This is also a good ripper I've used for a long time.
    http://www.audiograbber.com-us.net/

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    Re: Ripping CD's

    Quote Originally Posted by White92 View Post
    I think that may be my problem. I was using Windows Media Player long before I ever got my Zune to rip CD's to my computer. The equilizer was probably always set at something different each time I ripped one. (no pun intended )
    It doesn't work like that. The graphic equalizer has no effect on the ripping stack. It wouldn't have mattered what you had set it to in the UI. It only applies to the render endpoint on the default audio device.

    WMP's default ripping setting has been WMA at 128kbs for some time.

    Underlying it all, due to the vast complexity of a/v the vast majorty of 3rd party rippers for Windows all use essentially the same code base. For ripping, typically, a DirectShow filtergraph with an encoder and file writer. Some may choose to substitute the in-box WMA/MP3/MPEG/Whatever encoder for their own, such as lame as the system is extensible. The newer versions of WMP use Media Foundation but it's essentially the same general concept except now we call them Media sources and sinks.

    So in short, the only thing that is relevant in this context is the encoder your ripper used and the settings. Their is really nothing wrong with the in-box ones.

    If you want to get to the bottom of it, before I would re-rip an entire CD library I would suggest you check the meta-data on the existing files you already ripped and report back what they were ripped at and encoded with.

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    Well if that's the case, then I'm still confused. I changed the rip settings on Windows Media Player before I ever ripped anything to "Windows Audio Media Lossless" and slid the bar over to "best quality" or 192Kbps. Every single CD was ripped this way.
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    I'm no expert on the subject but i ripped all of my cd's at the same time and at the highest quality and they still sound different. My Pink Floyd sounds allot better than my Danzig but when you play the cd's you can also hear the difference. In other words it might not be the rip but the source.

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    Re: Ripping CD's

    Quote Originally Posted by GreyHoundSteve View Post
    I'm no expert on the subject but i ripped all of my cd's at the same time and at the highest quality and they still sound different. My Pink Floyd sounds allot better than my Danzig but when you play the cd's you can also hear the difference. In other words it might not be the rip but the source.
    Good idea. I've tried that too and just listend to the cd's in the car. They sound fine. I know I'll lose some sound quality once I've compressed the music, but I don't know where all the variations are coming from.
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    Re: Ripping CD's

    Quote Originally Posted by White92 View Post
    Well if that's the case, then I'm still confused. I changed the rip settings on Windows Media Player before I ever ripped anything to "Windows Audio Media Lossless" and slid the bar over to "best quality" or 192Kbps. Every single CD was ripped this way.
    If that's what you used then I can guarantee the issue is not the encoder. Aside from creating a raw gigantic WAV file WMA lossless is as absolutely as good as it gets in terms of sound quality.

    My best guess given all of the information you have provided is you are simply hearing the differences in post-mix & quality of the source content. Source is everything as digital hides nothing.

    I know in my own music collection I can hear a HUGE difference even on the crappy ear buds that come with the Zune between a live trance concert recorded in some club at 22khz mono, relative to the latest pop CD album rip composed on a DAW, relative to rock classics that were recorded in the studio on analog reel to reels.

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    Re: Ripping CD's

    Quote Originally Posted by vancehu View Post
    itunes. Rip them in 192 kbps or higher.
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    Re: Ripping CD's

    Quote Originally Posted by John@Microsoft View Post
    If that's what you used then I can guarantee the issue is not the encoder. Aside from creating a raw gigantic WAV file WMA lossless is as absolutely as good as it gets in terms of sound quality.

    My best guess given all of the information you have provided is you are simply hearing the differences in post-mix & quality of the source content. Source is everything as digital hides nothing.

    I know in my own music collection I can hear a HUGE difference even on the crappy ear buds that come with the Zune between a live trance concert recorded in some club at 22khz mono, relative to the latest pop CD album rip composed on a DAW, relative to rock classics that were recorded in the studio on analog reel to reels.

    So basically everything is good and the issues I'm having is because my new stereo amplifies the sound differences from the different original recordings?
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