Reply With QuoteWhoa! That's crazy. This is exactly the type of breakthrough that could completely change the reality of electric vehicles. I'm actually in shock. Time will tell if this is the moment in time that the ICE became unimportant.
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Whoa! That's crazy. This is exactly the type of breakthrough that could completely change the reality of electric vehicles. I'm actually in shock. Time will tell if this is the moment in time that the ICE became unimportant.
Leave it up to those brainiacs over at MIT to come up with something this cool. They may not get laid but those nerds sure know how to build a better mousetrap!
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Sorry - not a new concept. There are significant issues to overcome still before this would become a reality, but it is an alternative to the sealed cell.
This latest work was funded by DARPA and DOE
Dave
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1....201100152/pdf
This actually sounds smart.
Finally we can switch from oil to coal.
Anything to get away from OPEC is good with me.Originally Posted by jond
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Good point.
this truly is the kind of total thinking shift required to achieve something groundbreaking- this may work.
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What about the waste it generates?
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Leave it up to those brainiacs over at MIT to come up with something this cool. They may not get laid but those nerds sure know how to build a better mousetrap!
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what waste? most likely the used liquid would be recycled and recharged for reuse.
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That is, in a word, amazing.
Hope this actually pans out and doesn't become vaporware.
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That's all well and good, but the really cool part is that charging the cells is as simple as pumping the drained fluid out
seems to me you are validating the statement as you pretty much answered your own question about the 'waste'.
the article states that the car would have two tanks- one with charged liquid and the other acting as a receptacle for 'used' mixture. the car would get to the charging station, pump the 'used' fluid out for recharging and fill up with 'new' mixture.
Last edited by swerve; 06-10-2011 at 21:37.
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Interesting idea indeed. I saw a chevy volt on the freeway and started thinking about getting one, until I read the range was only 35 miles. Pretty disappointing considering it cost about $40k.
Even if this technology works and is more cost effective than petroleum fuels, another hurdle would be compatibility with the existing retail fuel infrastructure. Gas stations are designed around petroleum fuels and the laws around them are dictated by their hazards (mostly flammability and ground contamination concerns) . Retrofitting a gas station to dispense a new fuel type can be extremely expensive and given the small profit margin at gas stations, it may be a hard sell for some station owners. That said, if this electric fuel concept is deemed non-flammable, they may also be able to skirt around the regulations that petroleum fuels have to deal with, and thus the electric fuel concept would be even more cost effective for businesses.
[QUOTE=omega2;1439042]Interesting idea indeed. I saw a chevy volt on the freeway and started thinking about getting one, until I read the range was only 35 miles. Pretty disappointing considering it cost about $40k.
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the volt goes 35-70 miles in pure electric mode after which the gasoline engine powers the generator- the actual range is over 300 miles or whenever you run out of petrol. it is a better choice than a pure electric if you need a car that is used for more than just city driving as you will never get stranded, just have to refill. obviously pure electrics have their place as well- it is all about what your driving requirements are.
Last edited by swerve; 06-11-2011 at 09:40.
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I meant: what happens, ultimately, to the waste generated. What do they do with the electrolyte soln, can the cells in the soln be recharged...etc.
yes, the solution has to be rechargeable just as regular batteries are, otherwise it would make no sense.
take care.
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One thing I won't ever understand is how spending 40 grand on a new car so you can save about $2000 a year on gas.
Now a used Prius for 8 grand I can understand.
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Oil mob is not pushing hard enough yet for faster innovation. Make it $20 a gallon and in no time there will be alternatives including mode of transportation.
I am sure they got about 10 years if this trend continues....before they run out of their luck!
As of now they got world by the balls.
Amazing to me as well. Not to mention the $3,000 battery. So at 100,000 miles you have a clutch, timing belt, water pump, and a $3,000 battery to replace. It almost makes it a throw away car.
Especially when you can get diesels that get the same mileage.
Last edited by jond; 06-13-2011 at 04:15.
You also have the question of waste in terms of efficiency.I meant: what happens, ultimately, to the waste generated. What do they do with the electrolyte soln, can the cells in the soln be recharged...etc.
How much loss is incurred charging that pool of goo 24x7?
What happens to efficiency when the goo is old or when water gets in it?
At what point is burning coal to charge old goo worse for the environment than burning gas?
I read that Saudi Arabia knows this and they want gas to be down to $60-$80 per barrel because they don't want americans to change to an alternate fuel sources. The higher the price of gas, the more people move awar from traditional cars.
Pretty smart thinking. Too bad the rest of those idiots at OPEC don't get it.
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these days the chinese will pick up any 'extra' oil we don't.
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I don't know about that. Maybe now, but they see the errors of our ways. Don't think already have electric cars?
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