Honda would probably have to ruin it and make it a hybrid.
THIS.
HONDA ARE YOU LISTENING??
While we are at it, enthusiasts dont like fwd either.
Honda would probably have to ruin it and make it a hybrid.
Yeah but it's just gonna look like a ricer car w a body kit, not the gorgeous concept body.
Yeah but it's just gonna look like a ricer car w a body kit, not the gorgeous concept body.
I know this is heresy, but I think with enough body work an FR-S could pass for an LFA (from a distance)...
Not suggesting it's a GOOD idea, just noting a vaguely similar shape and after seeing NSX transformed by things like the Veilside kit, using my imagination...
Alright, alright, now throw me in the rice(r) cooker...
how's this :smile:
I don't doubt it drives impressively, I am just disappointed with its down market looks. For $26k the rx8 had better looks, better quality, more power, and probably equal handling ability and feel. They should have targeted the z cars and went one level up instead of aiming low and delivering low.
No offense but the rx8 was a POS.
But it's clear after a week of hard driving that the new Subaru BRZ is the more capable handling machine—it'd be our choice for a day at the track. The BRZ is quicker in just about any situation, it provides serious feedback for the driver, and it can hold plenty of gear as well. If we have to pick one lightweight speed machine—it's the new Subaru BRZ.
I got to see the car in person for the 2nd time last night. However, this time I was able to sit in it and get pretty "touchy" with it. Heel-toed, shifted, and observed placement of controls, general visibility, and evaluated general seating position for aggressive driving and daily driving. I think you all (whomever is interested) can draw your own conclusions in a couple of weeks when it's out at your dealers.
Also talked with editors who had it out and confirmed with them the differences in handling between the BRZ and FR-S.
For the first time I realized how small it is. It doesn't feel small inside but the overall proportions makes it look small from the outside.
RYU can a 6'2" person fit comfortably in the car. I can barely fit in the S2000 and not at all in a Miata and am worried this is a tiny car and since it has back seats the front seat might not go back far.I got to see the car in person for the 2nd time last night. However, this time I was able to sit in it and get pretty "touchy" with it. Heel-toed, shifted, and observed placement of controls, general visibility, and evaluated general seating position for aggressive driving and daily driving. I think you all (whomever is interested) can draw your own conclusions in a couple of weeks when it's out at your dealers.
Also talked with editors who had it out and confirmed with them the differences in handling between the BRZ and FR-S.
For the first time I realized how small it is. It doesn't feel small inside but the overall proportions makes it look small from the outside.
I'm paraphrasing since obviously I haven't driven one yet. The FRS will be the livelier one. It is apparently incrementally more fun on say an Autocross because it's tuned for slightly more oversteer. The BRZ is suppose to feel more planted with slighly more understeer (typical Subaru). They say the BRZ has slightly better damping fyi. What was shocking to me was the BRZ is slightly lighter (I forget exactly.. 50lbs?). We were scratching our heads why since that BRZ had a wing on it too. My guess was that the BRZ has less sound insulation. The Scion is loud inside regardless, I forgot to write down how many decibels in-cabin cruising was but it was loud inside (typical econobox). This was already with the Prius tires too. It will get worse with stickies. This might be a deal breaker for me but one can't have their cake and eat it too...Is there a difference in the way the BRZ and FR-S handle(as well as the FT-86)?
Let's talk about the front seats because talking about the backseats would just be comedy. I use to have an S2000 so i'm comfortable saying the front seat will easily fit someone 6'2. The FRS had a seat height adjuster (similar to a pump lever you press down or pull up to adjust height) which was nice. Side bolsters may be too intrusive for some but I find them nice.RYU can a 6'2" person fit comfortably in the car. I can barely fit in the S2000 and not at all in a Miata and am worried this is a tiny car and since it has back seats the front seat might not go back far.
thx! Looking at this to replace my DD on its last legs.I'm paraphrasing since obviously I haven't driven one yet. The FRS will be the livelier one. It is apparently incrementally more fun on say an Autocross because it's tuned for slightly more oversteer. The BRZ is suppose to feel more planted with slighly more understeer (typical Subaru). They say the BRZ has slightly better damping fyi. What was shocking to me was the BRZ is slightly lighter (I forget exactly.. 50lbs?). We were scratching our heads why since that BRZ had a wing on it too. My guess was that the BRZ has less sound insulation. The Scion is loud inside regardless, I forgot to write down how many decibels in-cabin cruising was but it was loud inside (typical econobox). This was already with the Prius tires too. It will get worse with stickies. This might be a deal breaker for me but one can't have their cake and eat it too...
Let's talk about the front seats because talking about the backseats would just be comedy. I use to have an S2000 so i'm comfortable saying the front seat will easily fit someone 6'2. The FRS had a seat height adjuster (similar to a pump lever you press down or pull up to adjust height) which was nice. Side bolsters may be too intrusive for some but I find them nice.
sign up at the FT86club.com forum. they provide you email notifications of all updates.thx! Looking at this to replace my DD on its last legs.
oh cool.. another guy who's seen/sat in it too!Saw it yesterday at the NYIAS, sat in hit, felt the linkage (obviously engine off), liked it. Yes, it'll get bought and slammed, riced, and re-riced...........so what. People here buy their NSX's and desecrate them with all kinds of body kits, etc. Me, I'm into "natural beauty", and the NSX has it in spades. I was very impressed with the BRZ, it felt comfortable, the linkage was smooth, the shift distance acceptable, the pedal placement ideal, what do you want for a 26k car, a Ferrari or NSX or GTR? You're not going to get it for that kind of money. I think that this car's going to be a big hit, affordable, attractive, sporty and practical. If you like it's looks, go and test drive one when it becomes available, and then make your best deal and go and enjoy!!!