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Toyota FT-1 Concept

Its suppose to be a $50k-$60k car. So yeah, way water down from the concept especially on front end and rear quarter panel. The side profile and rear seem some what decent.

http://www.supramkv.com/threads/visual-comparison-supra-mkv-prototype-vs-ft-1-concept.359/

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This could be the new Scion FRS. It is an ugly car. If it is indeed FT1 or Supra, I would not pay for $60K.

The pictures above are not even close the FT1. Last time, I checked on toyota.com under "upcoming vehicles" FT1 still looks like a FT1.

I have read somewhere ( it could be a rumor) that Toyota and BMW will join to produce FT1. Toyota will produce hybrid technology and it will be made by independent auto maker in Eastern Europe. I am not a fan of BMW engine and I wonder how reliable it will be. What will they call it?
 
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I'm pretty sure its the new "Supra". The BMW and Toyota press release have stated they are working on a joint midsize sports car.
 
Lets get serious here. The reason why the nsx production car looks like a copy of the concept car is because of the cost associated with it. It is freaking dead on and even better than the concept in my opinion.

The new supra,,,, let's take a step back.... A BRZ or FRS or whatever the hell you wanna call it.... A Z4 maybe.... Already costs about 30K or better trimmed nicely with ZERO power... Just some fancy grill material and led lighting is added to the mix. The supra is aiming for a 60k priceline. Does one think we actually get an active aero rear wing and high finishes for that price? NOPE.... We get a Z4 badged as a supra....

I have a close friend who works forToyota development and he got all excited about this car prior to the nsx launch. We would battle back and fourth. I just laughed and reserved judgement. Yet here we are with a Hyundai tiburon made by BMW for 50 to 60 thousand dollars.
 
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Yes, cost is a huge factor as well. Also the design team behind the FT-1 concept did say the production car will be 10% smaller. The concept car was made 10% larger for stage presence. They did also say the curves, lines, and rear hip were exaggerated on the concept, but the final product will still be recognizable as being related to the FT-1.
 
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They did also say the curves, lines, and rear hip were exaggerated on the concept, but the final product will still be recognizable as being related to the FT-1.

If what they said is true......... "recognizable" , I don't see any similarity between the two. Does one here see what I see or with me?

I would not mind to pay $80-90k if it looks a like the FT1 concept.
 
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The rear lamps look like eye pods from snails :S and the whole thing looks a bit bloated / heavy ?

Most likely fake place holders.

If what they said is true......... "recognizable" , I don't see any similarity between the two. Does one here see what I see or with me?

I would not mind to pay $80-90k if it looks a like the FT1 concept.

The side profile and duck tail rear is there, but everything else appears to be water down. But I'll try to hold off judgement until it is officially unveil.

It would probably be even more than that. Cars in that price range like the 911 and Viper don't even look that wild and exotic compared to the FT-1.
 
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The saddest part about this car is that Toyota worked with the Germans to create it. I think it is really disappointing. Sure it has covering on it and styling is hard to see but you get the initial design features from it and those design features are totally drab and lifeless from what I see. Too bad, I was thinking about buying one...
 
Don't you think this FRS concept look better the camouflage? The Supra should be more expensive than FRS, so it should look better.

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The saddest part about this car is that Toyota worked with the Germans to create it. I think it is really disappointing. Sure it has covering on it and styling is hard to see but you get the initial design features from it and those design features are totally drab and lifeless from what I see. Too bad, I was thinking about buying one...

It is just a speculation. My hope is still high, so don't be disappointed yet until the fat lady sings.
 
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The saddest part about this car is that Toyota worked with the Germans to create it. I think it is really disappointing. Sure it has covering on it and styling is hard to see but you get the initial design features from it and those design features are totally drab and lifeless from what I see. Too bad, I was thinking about buying one...

Agreed, a lot of people on supraforums wanted this done in house. They would rather have a shorten, reskin, lightweight RC-F as a new "Supra".

Correct, BMW employee on bimmerpost has said the front and side of the test mule is covered with false shaping to hide details.

Don't you think this FRS concept look better the camouflage? The Supra should be more expensive than FRS, so it should look better.

Yes I think the FR-S concept looked better than the Supra prototype, but the concept wasn't what we got.

We got this instead. You do understand that 2009 FT-86 concept and the FR-S concept from 2011 was the inspiration for the car below.

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To be fair they are probably hiding quite a bit of details. A good example is the LC prototype vs the production car. Automakers are now screwing in panels / faux shaping to help disguise the real design.

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Don't you think this FRS concept look better the camouflage? The Supra should be more expensive than FRS, so it should look better.

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It is just a speculation. My hope is still high, so don't be disappointed yet until the fat lady sings.
I will try to reserve judgement. But it is hard...

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Quite frankly I want a toned down version of the FT-1. The concept is very busy especially in the front and rear. But the side profile of the concept it what sold me. Very striking, very aggressive, and very dramatic. I actually like some of the pictures of it with a more toned down front bumper and grill. Time will tell I guess. If it is indeed hideous, maybe I will wait for another rx7 to return...
 
I think there has been some confusion about the 2011 FR-S concept being "new 2018 FR-S". This is the stages that the 86 or FR-S went through.

Concept I & II & III
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I hope you're right about the cover up. But the headlight of mule car is so cheap looking.

They are fake headlights used as a place holder so that the test car can be driven on the streets legally. Automakers do this all the time with prototypes.

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If you look closely to the headlights of mule cars above, they are still somewhat look similar to the final products. Same as the mule car of FRS and its final product.

By looking at the mule car of "Supra", I think those headlights will be similar to the final product ( I don't think they bold them on for legal driving and change them back into the total different shape for the final product), which is ugly and 90's style. If it is correct, it is total disappointment.

What is so unique the front of the car is the headlight......... slanted shape with underline LED....aggressive, mean looking and stand out.
 
If you look closely to the headlights of mule cars above, they are still somewhat look similar to the final products. Same as the mule car of FRS and its final product.

By looking at the mule car of "Supra", I think those headlights will be similar to the final product ( I don't think they bold them on for legal driving and change them back into the total different shape for the final product), which is ugly and 90's style. If it is correct, it is total disappointment.

What is so unique the front of the car is the headlight......... slanted shape with underline LED....aggressive, mean looking and stand out.

Maybe on the CUV, but the BMW and Lexus look nothing like the final units. The LFA is clearly fake and is way larger than the production unit. BMW is known to put these fake headlights on many of their prototypes. The 86 pictured was in its final stage of development.

The Supra prototype is still in its early stage of testing. It is most likely a stage 1 prototype. We know this because it has a BMW interior from the part bin. Another reason why it could be using fake place holder headlights is because the final units may not have been finalized yet. I'm betting we will see different headlights with a stage 2 or 3 prototype.

They aren't going to take a step backwards. Using common sense it will most likely be similar to the 86, LC, and RC.

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This is actually an early stage FT-1 concept. Only bringing it up because it may preview the production headlights. Click on the link below to see more photos and video.

http://www.supramkv.com/threads/the-early-stage-or-1st-ft-1-concept.392/

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Is this the production Toyota Supra teaser?

http://www.supramkv.com/threads/is-this-the-production-toyota-supra-teaser.393/

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Knee jerk reaction .. I just threw up a little in my mouth. Am I the only one who thinks this is fugly? That bulbous roofline is just plain weird. It looks like something a 15 year old did with Photoshop and any comparison to the concept is a huge stretch.
 
Knee jerk reaction .. I just threw up a little in my mouth. Am I the only one who thinks this is fugly? That bulbous roofline is just plain weird. It looks like something a 15 year old did with Photoshop and any comparison to the concept is a huge stretch.
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http://www.supramkv.com/threads/new-toyota-supra-and-bmw-z5-gear-up-for-2018-assault.469/

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New Toyota Supra and BMW Z5 gear up for 2018 assault

The highly anticipated all-new Toyota Supra has now reached a final phase of development and is destined to form the basis of a newly created Toyota performance sub-brand.

Lightly veiled prototypes of the sleekly styled coupé are now seen frequently on the roads around the vast R&D operation of Toyota’s project partner, BMW, in Munich, Germany. The new Supra is being developed in a joint engineering venture with the upcoming BMW Z5. It will resurrect one of Toyota’s most highly treasured performance models following a 14-year hiatus for the Supra, which was first introduced to the Japanese car maker’s line-up in 1978.

The upcoming, fifthgeneration Supra was first previewed by a pair of Toyota FT-1 concepts designed at the company’s Calty studio in California and unveiled at the 2014 Detroit motor show. The new Supra is set to reach UK showrooms during the second half of 2018. It will be offered with the choice of either a traditional petrol or a petrol-electric hybrid drivetrain. The hybrid version is claimed to draw on technology and processes developed for Toyota’s most recent TS050 LMP1 Le Mans race car.

The production version of the Toyota sports car, depicted here in an exclusive Autocar image, has been influenced by the exaggerated proportions of the earlier FT-1 concepts. It has a short front overhang and long, sweeping nose section, which houses a longitudinally mounted engine.—

As expected, the detailing throughout the new car’s largely aluminium body has been toned down and refined since the appearance of the FT-1, providing the production Supra with a crisper and smoother appearance.

The two-door layout and liftback-style tailgate of the FT-1 are retained. Inside, the new Supra provides accommodation for two in the front, with space in the rear taken up by a shallow parcel shelf and a boot similar in size to that of the current Porsche 718 Cayman.

The Supra is planned to be sold exclusively as a fixed-roof coupé, whereas the Z5 is set to take a roadster-only bodystyle and act as a replacement for the recently discontinued Z4. The move is intended to ensure that there will be little or no cannibalisation of sales between the new Toyota and its BMW sibling.

The starting point for the new sports car pairing is a freshly developed platform engineered by BMW. It derives chassis components and engineering solutions from the current 3 Series and its various derivatives, including the rear axle and five-link rear suspension from the M3/M4.

As stipulated from the start of the project, the new platform has been engineered to support both rear-wheel drive and — crucial to plans to provide both variants with petrol-electric hybrid power four-wheel drive.

Toyota and BMW have also developed a number of lightweight construction processes that will be used within the body structures of the Supra and Z5. Sources suggest the BMW roadster will weigh little more than 1400kg in turbocharged 2.0-litre fourcylinder entry-level guise. —

For its part, Toyota has contributed extensive knowhow about hybrid drive systems to the project. Details remain scarce a little more than 12 months from the planned unveiling of the first of the two sports cars, the Z5. However, sources insist that each car will feature its own, uniquely tuned hybrid drivetrain, with electric boosting for added performance potential.

Despite what one official describes as early work culture and language difficulties that are said to have prematurely stalled the joint venture during its infancy in 2013, both Toyota and BMW say their respective models are now progressing according to plan.

The BMW, which goes under the internal codename G29, will be pitched more directly than its predecessor at the Porsche 718 Boxster, according to insiders. To keep weight in check, the folding hard-top of the Z4 has been replaced by a lighter and easier to accommodate fabric roof.

It is similar in construction to that used by the 2 Series Convertible and supplied by German soft-top specialist Webasto-Edscha. The Toyota’s development is being overseen by Tetsuya Tada, the man responsible for the Toyota GT86 and Subaru BRZ joint venture.

The new Supra is intended to add a further dimension in performance to the Japanese car maker’s line-up and the likelihood is that it will form the basis of a Gazoo Racing-run performance arm (see separate story, p11). The Z5 will receive BMW’s newest engines. These include the latest evolution of its turbocharged 2.0-litre four-cylinder powerplant, the B48, delivering around 248bhp in the Z5 sDrive30i, and a turbocharged 3.0-litre six-cylinder unit, the B58, in the Z5 M40i M Performance with a similar 335bhp to that of the M240i. Both Z5 models will come with standard rear-wheel drive and an eight-speed ZF automatic gearbox.

Rumours that BMW’s M division is already working on a Z5 M flagship model are yet to be acknowledged by the German car maker, although the decision to fit the new car with the M3/M4’s rear axle suggests that it could readily accept either the 365bhp turbocharged 3.0-litre six-cylinder powerplant from the M2 or the 425bhp twin-turbo 3.0-litre straight six from the M3/M4 together with a seven-speed dual-clutch automatic gearbox.

A diverging strategy will mean that the Supra is offered with Toyota-developed drivetrains. Kicking off the line-up is a turbocharged 2.0-litre engine in two price-leading rear-drive models. In base form, the four-cylinder unit is expected to offer around 242bhp — the same as the engine used by the IS200 of Toyota luxury brand Lexus. A more highly tuned variant with close to 300bhp is also under development and due to be offered from the outset of sales, according to sources at Toyota’s R&D centre in Nagoya, Japan.—

A newly developed twinturbo 3.5-litre V6 petrol unit, which will be shared with various Lexus models over the longer term, will be the performance flagship of the new line-up. It will deliver more than 400bhp in a rear-wheeldrive version of the Supra. This range-topper will be the most powerful Supra to date and have an expected 0-62mph time of less than 4.0sec and a governed 155mph top speed.

Secrecy surrounds the hybrid system to be used by Toyota. Early signs suggested the Supra would employ a similar system to that showcased by the 420bhp Yaris Hybrid R concept, with a turbocharged 1.6-litre four-cylinder petrol engine and three electric motors — two operating on the front axle and a third, integrated into the gearbox housing, providing drive to the rear wheels.

However, this is denied by Toyota officials in Japan. Instead, the four-wheel-drive hybrid version of the new Supra is expected to run a 3.5-litre V6 petrol engine in combination with an electric motor housed within a ZF-engineered eightspeed automatic gearbox, delivering upwards of 350bhp.—

A similar set-up featuring a 3.0-litre straight six could also feature in the Z5.— The new Z5 and Supra will be assembled at automotive production specialist Magna Steyr in Graz, Austria — the same company that was responsible for the assembly of the first-generation Mini Countryman, Paceman and Coupé and will soon begin assembly of yet-to-bedisclosed versions of the new BMW 5 Series.

BMW and Toyota are remaining tight-lipped about planned volumes, although supplier sources involved in the tooling up of the Magna Steyr production line suggest they are banking on a capacity of up to 60,000 units during the first full year of production in 2018.

The sports car project is just one component of a broad-based engineering and technology-sharing
collaboration between Toyota and BMW. Other fields include fuel cell systems, lightweight technology and a lithium air battery project aimed at advancing electric car development.

IS THIS ALL TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE ?
MATT PRIOR

I keep re-reading this and looking for bad news, because it all seems too good to be true. But, no, every time I scan through the details, all I’m left with is a happy, warm glow inside.—

There’s just so much to like here. BMW’s Z car gets lighter than it currently is because it has a folding canvas hood, rather than one of those godforsaken metal jobs that just adds weight, complexity and cost and moves the centre of gravity skywards and rearwards, just where you don’t want it to be.—

And the Toyota Supra is back, engineered by the people who created the GT86, one of the greatest driver’s
cars of the past decade. There’s strong differentiation between the models, too — and not just because of the bodystyle differences. Both parties get to use their own engines.

BMW’s straight sixes, despite their turbochargers, remain some of the most endearing around. And Toyota makes a decent vee engine when it tries to.— It also sounds like there’s no ‘senior’ partner — unlike with the GT86 and Subaru BRZ joint project, where Toyota’s mammoth resources when it came to sales and marketing left some Subaru insiders feeling like the minnows in the partnership.—

This time, it feels truly altruistic: both BMW and Toyota are big, bold companies who just happen to want a sports car and know that this is the best way to go about affording one.— Mind you, if BMW can resist the temptation to make an M version with a fixed roof, it’s a more discreet company than I’d be in the circumstances.— And if I were Porsche? For the first time in a long, long, time, I might be quietly stewing.—
 
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