Yep.... The 12C is basically an extension to the nsx in my opinion... Unfortunately people are realizing this as the prices on them are on the rise...
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Yep.... The 12C is basically an extension to the nsx in my opinion... Unfortunately people are realizing this as the prices on them are on the rise...
I've heard bad things about McLaren reliability. One of hallmarks of the NSX is how bullet proof it is. Have I heard wrong?
Here's a quote from Road & Track:
"I bought one of the first MP4-12Cs in the country back in 2012. Over 1000 miles with the car, I started to notice problems. Everyone with an early car had issues. The transmission calibration was wonky, making the car creep and lurch in traffic. The doors, which use sensors instead of handles, didn't always open. Early cars shipped with a Bluetooth- and nav-equipped stereo installed, but not operational. I felt like a beta tester. With McLaren staying quiet about fixes, I cashed out and sold the car at list."
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I cannot comment on reliability as I am not a 12C owner. But after riding in a friends 2013, the raw driving experience is quite the norm in this car. It is ridiculously fast. I attribute the light weight, direct mechanics of the car, and overall driving experience I must say this car is very underrated. I have had my eye on a few. Maybe another year or two I may buy one.
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Having owned the NSX and now my McLaren I can say I don't think there is another high performance car in the world as bullet proof as the first generation NSX. Period. What I can say is my McLaren is very durable, mechanically reliable and I use it as my daily driver. As with any super car pushing the limits of technology there will be a few issues. Especially, with their first production model. I've had issues with my McLaren failing to recognizing my keyfob and the A/C temperature light going out. Both of which McLaren fixed under warranty. It is not as bullet proof as the NSX but then again my NSX didn't have the mind bending acceleration or performance of my McLaren. For the McLaren we're talking about a car that weighs about the same (or less) than the NSX with over 2X the horsepower and it lays down torque with the Pirelli Corsa System tires that will get your heart racing and adrenaline pumping! Stock performance numbers McLaren 12C owners are getting on the track are 0-60mph in 2.8 seconds, 10.5 second quarter miles and 217mph top end. And will get over 20mpg on the highway (iff you can keep your accelerator foot under control). It has a trick active hydraulic suspension system, toque vectoring, is very comfortable to drive in "Normal Mode" verses "Track Mode" and is a worthy experience to drive. Two different animals. Both amazing in their own rights.
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Also here in the lower mainland and on the verge of grabbing a gallardo. Would like to hear more about your lambo and nsx experience. Message me here if you can, as it seems I'm unable to message you for some reason...
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This has been a very interesting read.
I'm hoping I'll be able to take the gentler approach to experimentation and keep my NSX around while I play with some other toys. I have the garage space and free-time to maintain a couple of non-DD cars, so my plan is to see how much comes out of some investments that are coming due and then go shopping. I've been a sucker for the early year Gallardos for a while and will probably be looking at those first (ideally an '06+ with a gated 'box). I've been sold on those since seeing Valentino (yeah, *that* Valentino) absolutely flog a pair of them all weekend at PIR only stopping for gas, tires, and brakes for like 4 years running with absolutely zero mechanical issues. That and they make a hell of a noise.
The 12C is probably a stretch for this round, but it's on the short-list especially if the used prices keep depressing further. My concern here, is that I'm a DIY guy. It's how I can justify/sensibly afford looking at stuff like this. The McLaren is getting deep into the "black box" engine bay territory. I'd also be curious how they'd feel about some shade-tree calling them with questions about how to do some $10,000-at-a-dealership service on a second hand car, lol. The Gallardo is at least reasonably analog, especially without the e-gear crap and I've seen a clutch job done and have little question I could do the same.
My NSX is no museum-piece, so I don't stand to really cash in on the current market. I figure I'll rotate some stuff through the other garage bay until something lands there that I consistently choose over the NSX for a road trip or track day....then we'll see I suppose.
I'm hoping I'll be able to take the gentler approach to experimentation and keep my NSX around while I play with some other toys. I have the garage space and free-time to maintain a couple of non-DD cars, so my plan is to see how much comes out of some investments that are coming due and then go shopping. I've been a sucker for the early year Gallardos for a while and will probably be looking at those first (ideally an '06+ with a gated 'box). I've been sold on those since seeing Valentino (yeah, *that* Valentino) absolutely flog a pair of them all weekend at PIR only stopping for gas, tires, and brakes for like 4 years running with absolutely zero mechanical issues. That and they make a hell of a noise.
The 12C is probably a stretch for this round, but it's on the short-list especially if the used prices keep depressing further. My concern here, is that I'm a DIY guy. It's how I can justify/sensibly afford looking at stuff like this. The McLaren is getting deep into the "black box" engine bay territory. I'd also be curious how they'd feel about some shade-tree calling them with questions about how to do some $10,000-at-a-dealership service on a second hand car, lol. The Gallardo is at least reasonably analog, especially without the e-gear crap and I've seen a clutch job done and have little question I could do the same.
My NSX is no museum-piece, so I don't stand to really cash in on the current market. I figure I'll rotate some stuff through the other garage bay until something lands there that I consistently choose over the NSX for a road trip or track day....then we'll see I suppose.
Nah, never owned an Esprit. Not that I do not like them. I think they are great looking cars and I hear with some work, they handle very well. The thing about the Esprits are their age. They are not like our NSX's. They were nowhere in the same league in build quality so any of the ones I was interested in were going to be a headache in terms of getting them back into shape. Petrolicious did a great video on one of my favorite Esprits:
http://petrolicious.com/this-lotus-esprit-is-a-light-rider-reborn
Maybe if I had really really deep pockets and lived in a house with a two car garage, I'd undertake Esprit ownership. But that just isn't in the cards, at least at the moment.
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Will have another NSX in the garage soon, but for now I'm enjoying our Evo:
http://sw2heritagecars.com/portfolio/mitsubishi-lancer-evolution-ix-3233/
http://sw2heritagecars.com/portfolio/mitsubishi-lancer-evolution-ix-3233/
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great video, well done. personally i'd only considered a late model S4 previous to the inception of the V8 Twin Turbo, but that's the only option for me now. either an SE or a Sport 350 if one could be found. which is probably impossible?
the S4's were great cars, and the V8's are much better. the build quality and reliability is decent, but obviously not NSX worthy. nothing from the 1990's is.
they handled very well, especially the last years, and they were fast as shit for the time. much quicker than an NSX, and apparently they were just a pulley away from 400 reliable horsepower.
true classics, in every bit the same way as a Countach or Testarossa...
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Very nice Evo! Great pictures.
Very nice. I owned both an VIII and a X, but I think the IX is the best Evo sold here. That particular car looks like a fine specimen.
Very interesting read here - glad to hear everyone chime in with their experiences!
We've had quite a few R8's over the past few years and now looking to get into another car.
We've had quite a few R8's over the past few years and now looking to get into another car.
I had the same feelings about the gallardo, which is why I got the gated 06 SE. Love that car... sound is amazing. Feels solid and we'll built. Reminds me of an NSX, but beefier. Plenty fast enough for me. Still a driver car. If you get an earlier year, I would go for 05+ so you get the front lift. That has already saved me a few times...
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great video, well done. personally i'd only considered a late model S4 previous to the inception of the V8 Twin Turbo, but that's the only option for me now. either an SE or a Sport 350 if one could be found. which is probably impossible?
the S4's were great cars, and the V8's are much better. the build quality and reliability is decent, but obviously not NSX worthy. nothing from the 1990's is.
they handled very well, especially the last years, and they were fast as shit for the time. much quicker than an NSX, and apparently they were just a pulley away from 400 reliable horsepower.
true classics, in every bit the same way as a Countach or Testarossa...
I had a 2004 Esprit FE for three years after owning my NSX for 14 years. I don't think I could have owned the Esprit for that long due to it being a difficult car to live with. Out of the box performance wise, the Esprit was much better than the NSX. The brakes, engine, and handling were much superior, but that's where it ended. The squeaks, creaks, and rattles came out of every corner of the car. The driving ergonomics were not as comfortable as the NSX. It's hard to own many cars after owning an NSX for such a long time. I now have a 2016 Focus RS that seems to offer me everything that I need at this stage of my life. I can safely take my kids and have fun with 350hp and AWD.
The year I'd opt for would be the 89 Esprit SE. I'm much more a fan of the 4 pot with water charge cooling for the turbo. But I'm sure the V8's were boatloads of fun!
My Exige can be described much in the same way against the NSX. Squeaks, rattles, build quality, etc. But the handling, and driving dynamics are EXTREMELY hard to beat at ANY price point. And the engine? Well, the stock Toyota mill was a good engine. But the Honda K24A2 I've swapped in is just... fantastic. So now, both toys are Honda powered.
My Exige can be described much in the same way against the NSX. Squeaks, rattles, build quality, etc. But the handling, and driving dynamics are EXTREMELY hard to beat at ANY price point. And the engine? Well, the stock Toyota mill was a good engine. But the Honda K24A2 I've swapped in is just... fantastic. So now, both toys are Honda powered.
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I've had R8s on my short-list as well. If I'm going to get one, it will be an earlier V8 car though. I like the way they sound, and frankly I'd rather have the V10 in a Lamborghini if I'm going to.
The V10 motor is the same however the way the headers and exhaust is designed, the two cars sound distinctly different. We also have a LP-560 Gallardo here (2010) and even in stock form, it's unique exhaust note is quite aggressive compared to our R8 with the Tubi Rumore exhaust.
It's hard to find a R8 V10 with a 6-speed and even harder to find a Gallardo with one. (Ours is an E-gear LP-560) Going from a Porsche to the E-gear, it's noted the car takes some getting used to as it's not as smooth at low speeds for sure.
The R8 V8 is also on my short list! But at the same time I have always wanted a Lotus Evora. The new Evora 400 looks and sounds like a blast but the old S version would be amazing too.
yeah, and I'm only interested in a stick/clutch car. On the list of things I've no interest in dealing with it's a black-box of a transmission and excessive clutch wear over which I have no control (Gallardo for that last one). If I find a McLaren at some point, it's about the only thing with paddles I'd consider and the twin clutch setups are reputed to be pretty resilient/long lived.
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you're last statement is the entire reasoning for having a sports car...
the R8 V8 with a manual 6-speed is a lot of car for the money. and i do believe the prices are going up on them these days...
Around two years ago, I spent an hour test driving an R8 V8 around town (i.e. in traffic...very few opportunities to really open her up)...and seriously considered buying it. As much as I liked the R8 and its gated shifter, I didn't feel it was enough of a step up from my NSX to justify owning it (I am not planning on ever selling my NSX...hard to justify owning two sports cars). If I had an opportunity to buy the V10 for around the same price, I might have had a harder time turning it down.
Of course, who am I to talk? I just bought an expensive EV...one I technically reserved the month AFTER that R8 test drive (and without having any knowledge of what the vehicle would actually be like).
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Well guys I decided to keep my NSX and use it as my daily driver; but I did pull the trigger on Godzilla. Took delivery yesterday! All I can say is this damn thing is a beast! For the money it has to be the best "bargain" out there! Can't wait to see what it can really do!
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