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15 year rule for importing NSXs into Australia

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Ok guys,
I've been waiting a few years now for 2005/2006 to arrive and the 15 year rule to kick in for 1991 NSXs.

Can everybody please post what they know about the rule - whether it is still in effect, how much an NSX from Japan will roughly cost, and whether there will be any hidden government charges involved?

Also, do you know of any dealers that will be looking to take advantage of this and start bringing NSXs into the country?
 
Hey slammed... ANOTHER aussie! :D Welcome back to Prime... where have you been hiding for the past year? :)

The 15 year rule is just that; 15 years, even down to the month. It's been discussed numerous times on other threads. Here's the most recent:

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32197 (starts about half way down)


Or in short:

<B>Can everybody please post what they know about the rule:</B> It's 15 years.

<B>Whether it is still in effect</B>: yes.

<B>how much an NSX from Japan will roughly cost</B>: Cheap, but that's not including taxes & charges

<B>any hidden government charges involved?</B>: Of course, this is a democracy based on capitalism! :D Or is it capitalism based on democracy? Either way, yes! :D

<B>do you know of any dealers that will be looking to take advantage of this and start bringing NSXs into the country?</B> i don't, but I doubt it. Honda has enough trouble selling the NSX's we have without bringing more into the country.

<B>Is the NSX awesome</B>: Yes. Ok... i added that, but my answer is still the same. :D
 
1st month NSX production is September 90'. So I dont expect any till beginning to mid of 2006' not to mention finding a 90' model of the first months.. maybe 91/92.
 
Joel said:
I'm still not clear on this 15 year rule. What is it and why is it in place? :confused:
You can read all about the "15 year rule" in the actual government regulations, more officially known as the "Vehicle Standards Bulletin VSB-10", here, on the website of the Australian Government's Department of Transport and Regional Services. It states, "Vehicles 15 years or older may be imported to Australia without restriction. This means there are no ownership and use requirements and no plate is issued. An Import Approval is required to collect the vehicle."

As for the idea behind it, I think Australia heavily regulates (and taxes) automobile imports (in order to support their small domestic automotive manufacturing industry) and probably lifts those regulations/taxes on older cars, since they are presumably less of a competitive threat. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Neo?
 
nsxtasy said:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Neo?

<A HREF="http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39466&highlight=kiw">KIW</A>. :D :D :D

Felt good to say that. But truth is you're right again Ken. :) That's pretty much the reason.

But another point you could add: these tight import restrictions protect Australia's automobile industry (ie. Ford & Holden).
 
Wow very impressive Ken you knowledge of all things continue to impress me.

Now the problem is do you really want a fifteen year old car, that is the logic behind that rule but they didn't realise that the NSX is one that is worth while. However for us "real" owners there is soon to be an influx of these imports which although good for our cruises hey NEO but not be good for resale. Although with cars like these, asute buyers will still only want Australian delivered vehicles.

I for one dont care I will never sell my NSX and the more there is in Australia the better it is. Who knows we might even get as much cars in Australia as Ken has that turns up for NSXPO in NY next month. :D :D
 
There aren't enough to choose from in Australia for sale. They always seem to have a few but many of which are Auto! :(

I would love a 3.2 6-speed Coupe, but finding one of these.... hmmm
 
dippy9 said:
pretty hard to get one of these as a 15 year import

Well yeah, I know that. I was just using this as an example....

Theres just very few NSX's for sale at any given time. Lots of waiting to find the right one.....
 
Might be quicker to follow AJ's example: go buy two NSX's and live in Japan for a year, then bring them back to Australia with you.


Why two NSX's??? One for me of course. ;)
 
Canada has the same 15 year rule. Basically after 15 it's all wide open. People have been importing alot of 89 Skyline GT-R R32's as of August. We never got them here so they will become popular.

I'm kind of on the fence about doing the whole nsx project car or just getting an AWD TT monster to boost all to hell. But the nsx is still a way nicer car than an R32 overall
 
satan_srv said:
But the nsx is still a way nicer car than an R32 overall
That's an understatement. Regardless of the Rolls Royce style powerplant under the hood the exterior of an R32 is Mickey Mouse in comparisson. It's just plain 'ol FUGLY! :eek:
 
satan_srv said:
I'm kind of on the fence about doing the whole nsx project car or just getting an AWD TT monster to boost all to hell. But the nsx is still a way nicer car than an R32 overall

I'm sorry but trying to compare a R32 GTR to a NSX is like trying to compare a S15 200SX to say a Porsche 911 Turbo... You don't do it!! They are different cars designed for different markets and therefore different customers! The only thing they have in common is "acceptable" acceleration. If you are really trying to decide between the two, my advice...

Get the R32!

Why??? Because build quality, class and refinement are not important to you! So why pay extra to get them in an NSX??? You can build yourself an awesome 600 RWHp R32 machine for the price of a very stock NSX...

Now I don't want to flame anyone here so I'll put it another way....
Who can you relate to better:

1. Mr Wolf in "Pulp Fiction" (All class and demands respect in my book...) :cool:
2. That guy in "The Fast and the Furious" (Teenage punk street racer...) :rolleyes:

Bigglezworth said:
That's an understatement. Regardless of the Rolls Royce style powerplant under the hood the exterior of an R32 is Mickey Mouse in comparisson. It's just plain 'ol FUGLY! :eek:

Notwithstanding what I have said above... I actually quite like (is it like or appreciate?) the R32...

They were racing down here during the good ole group A days when Ford had their Sierra Cosworth, BMW had the M3, Jag were racing the XJS and even Volvo had the 240 Turbo....

The R32 GTR Nissan Skylines, I believe, were nicknamed "Godzilla" down here in Australia, which then stuck internationally. The cars were awesome and nothing could touch them (sort of like Ferrari in F1 at the moment).

They (CAMS... I can't write what I think this acronym stands for! But it goes something like C*nts Against Motor Sport...) eventually abandoned the Group A rules and made a "Touring car" category so that the Australian made V8's could compete again... However not just compete... Now there are ONLY Australian made V8's racing in the "Touring Cars" category.

I personally refuse to watch this category of racing.... I hate protection rackets... Bring on the FTA (Free Trade Agreement) between North America and Australia... and then extend it to the to other countries so that everyone can compete on a level playing field and we wouldn't have to wait for the 15yr rule to come into effect before we get some real cars down here at the prices everyone else enjoys... :mad:
 
Umm we have been getting the skylines here since the get go, the 15 year rule only effects cars that are Australian delivered (ie sold through a dealer). Hence we know all about them. Every kid dreams about his bloody skyline. Very fast car when all you need is a little extra (cheap) go fast bits, but i have never been scared of a car before. Fast as hell ( this thing blew my business partner's 355 spider and 993 turbo, but feels like it will fall apart doing it.
 
AU_NSX said:
I actually quite like (is it like or appreciate?) the R32...
I appreciate the R32 also. Just like I appreciate the WRX STi. I simply can't swallow when looking at the exterior of either though. :eek:

dippy9 said:
Fast as hell ( this thing blew my business partner's 355 spider and 993 turbo, but feels like it will fall apart doing it.
Turbo cars are like that. My Buick (yes you read right) will blow the doors off my NSX - to a point...... That point being until it has to stop or corner - whichever it needs to do first before you are in a threatened position. NSX was bought because of sleek fast looks, decent out of the box acceleration, solid stability at high speeds, and great cornering. Buick was bought because of shear ground pounding acceleration and ease of modification to enhance performance two fold. Have never tried to compare the two and like that stated above, are around for different types of drivers/markets. I agree whole heartedly with what AU_NSX outlined in that you should by the R32 because there is no comparisson and trying to do so would definately lessen the importance of the NSX to you. :p
 
I've decided my need for the all out godzilla r32 tempered by my need to drive a refined exotic supercar will be best served by me convincing my brother to import the R32 and boost it to oblivion and I build the widebody nsx. He's already on board hehe
 
An update to the 15yr rule in Australia....

The 15 Year Rule KILLED...

A Media Release today by the Minister for Local Government, Territories and Roads, the HON. JIM LLOYD MP, spells the effective death of the 15 year rule as we know it. This is reproduced below for your information. In essence, from today 7th Feb 2005, only 1988 and older vehicles can be imported under the 15 year rule. This will be gradually increased to 30 years over time.

All other vehicles for road use must be imported under SEVS. Anyone who can prove a financial commitment to a 1989 or 1990 vehicle prior to today's announcement will be exempted from the changes and will still be entitled to an Import Approval once the vehicle is 15 years old.

The statement mentions "a level playing field", obviously to the Australian Govt. this involves sheltering our small and uneconomical local market from imports by grossly and unfairly restricting what is allowed in after conducting limited community / industry consultation. Not sure what happened to free trade or a fair go in this case. And this is after setting up SEVS as a means to control the import numbers of a restricted selection of vehicles, leading to less consumer choice and much higher prices.

If you have any comments about the changes please direct these to the contact points shown at the end of the statement.

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L11/05

Monday February 7 2005



MINISTER ANNOUNCES CLOSURE OF CAR IMPORT LOOPHOLE



A plan to tighten Australia’s vehicle importation laws that will reinforce motor vehicle safety and emission standards was announced today by the Minister for Local Government, Territories and Roads, Jim Lloyd.



“The Government is closing a loophole that has enabled mainstream cars over 15 years of age to be imported in commercial quantities, and not subjected to safety and emission certification,” Mr Lloyd said.



“Importers of these cars were using an exemption that allows hobbyists and enthusiasts to import classic and historic cars. This exemption exists as these vehicles generally perform low mileages and are limited in numbers, and therefore represent a minimal risk to overall Australian vehicle and safety goals.



“Without such an exemption, the private importation of these types of older, collectible cars would become uneconomic.



“The closure of this loophole will only apply to those vehicles which do not fit in the classic and historic category, thus preserving the ability of hobbyists and enthusiasts to obtain older classic cars and historic vehicles.”



Mr Lloyd said a transitional arrangement would be provided for other vehicle importers who had current commitments to bring in vehicles under the old rule.



“The changeover is being introduced gradually, to allow importers and consumers time to react to the revised focus of the exemption,” Mr Lloyd said.



Under the new rule:



Vehicles manufactured before 1 January 1989 may be imported without restriction.
Vehicles built during 1989 (or later) will need to qualify under the Registered Automotive Workshop Scheme (RAWS) and will need to be certified as complying with Australian Design Rules (applicable at the date of manufacture). To qualify under RAWS, vehicle models must meet the specialist and enthusiast criteria.
The buffer period (between collectible vehicles and mainstream vehicles) will be gradually extended over time – up to a maximum of 30 years.


A transitional arrangement will also be established. Those importers who have already made a financial commitment before today on a vehicle manufactured in 1990 intended for future import, will be allowed to bring the vehicle into the country under the old rule up to the end of December 2005.



“This new rule will re‑instate a ‘level playing field’ within the industry. Vehicles supplied to the same market will be subject to the same regulatory environment, substantially reducing cost pressures on mainstream businesses,” Mr Lloyd said.



Media inquiries:

Mr Lloyd’s office: Fiona Telford 02 6277 7060

Technical inquiries:

Department of Transport and Regional Services: Justin Bryan 02 6274 7426

So it is official... Re-sale values of our NSX's in Australia are assured! Anyone who wants to buy a cheap Japanese imported NSX must do their time like Mr ajnsx!...(which isn't so bad after all is it...?)
 
Remind me never to:

1) Move to Australia

2) Move back to Canada

This sort of garbage just makes me laugh at people back home who claim people in the US are losing all of their freedoms. Meanwhile, Canadians have been severely restricted in their personal freedom of choice for decades by the Canadian government. I remember how it was. Canadian content rules, monopolistic government health and car insurance, monopolistic government telcos, very prudish censorship on naughty videos, protectionist import restrictions and taxes, none of these smacks of freedom.

America is a scary place, but part of the reason why it's scary is that you are much less taken care of. You're forced, nay, allowed to fend for yourself. Being taken care of sounds great, but then again, when was the last time you wanted to move back in with your parents? That's what Canada was like, and that's what Australia sounds like. I get scared when people here start wanting America to be more like Canada.

To mitigate what I'm sure is insulting in this to Canucks and Aussies... I can't speak for Australia, but there's a lot of stuff I miss about Canada. I just can't bear the idea that the government there wants to protect me from my own freedom of choice.

/rant off
 
Aiken Drum,

I'm not exactly sure why your "rant" is directed at Australia... I think because Canada may restrict certain types of cars there you think Australia is the same...?

However I would point out that Australia has most cars that are available overseas. The change in the law closes a loophole that allowed cars that were available in Australia when new to be imported without the same Australian compliance rules to adhere to. What this meant was that they could avoid the 40% luxury car tax that was applied to that car when sold new.... Resulting in the same make and model car being imported much cheaper than the same Australian delivered vehicle is actually worth allowing for depreciation.

The closure of this loophole has not in any way reduced the cars that are available to the Australian buyer! It does however ensure that someone who wants to buy a certain type of car that they must buy one which was originally delivered to this country.

It does not reduce the types of cars available to the consumer either but it does reduce the number by reducing the availability to only Australian delivered vehicles!

So, as far as Australia is concerned, your comments are quite invalid.

By dissallowing cheap Japanese imports, someone who wants to buy an NSX say will have to choose one from the ones that were originally delivered here and thus maintains our re-sale values.

I would remind you that Australia is the only country inthe world that imports as Australian complianced vehicles cars like the Nissan GTR, as we have had the Lotus Elise and Exige since their release!

I assure you that there is no shortage of CHOICE in this country! Availability maybe.... But shortage of availability ensures their VALUE is maintained!
 
Err... yeah... I'd have to agree with <B>AU_NSX</B>; despite this small setback we have it VERY good here in Australia when it comes to cars. I have friends who moved from America 2.5yrs ago, and they prefer Australia hands down. They loved America, but apparently we're more friendly? :confused:


But this is BAD news for me. :mad: When the time comes to buy my NSX, i only have ~130 to pick from -- and most Aussie NSX's are red/black stock....... .. .. ... oh wait, that's a good thing! ;) :p But we have too many auto's here in Australia... :( Some aussie guys didn't carefully consider the ramifications of buying an auto -- IF YOU BUY AUTO, YOUR WIFE/GIRLFRIEND CAN DRIVE IT! :eek: :eek: :eek: No!!!!!! Isn't that why us guys prefer to drive manual?! :rolleyes: ok, i kid, i kid... :D :D :D

Personally I think NSX prices are going to continue to slide. That 'Unique Cars' magazine last year put the NSX at AUD$40,000+ ... and there have been a couple of Aussie NSX's that I've heard of sell for that. So it's continuing to slide. But for me, i don't care. When i get the NSX, i plan to keep it - even AFTER i get my Gallarado. :D :p LOL


Thanks for the news update AU!
 
Not to poke my nose in but......

“The closure of this loophole will only apply to those vehicles which do not fit in the classic and historic category, thus preserving the ability of hobbyists and enthusiasts to obtain older classic cars and historic vehicles.”

Wouldn't the NSX fall into this category?
 
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