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    Is this a fair deal?

    I was high bidder on this red 94 NSX listed on ebay last week ($37.1k after a few glasses of wine) and I see it listed today for a "buy it now" price of 37,900.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...Pr4_PcY_BIN_IT

    Chicago Motor Cars seems to have an excellent rating on ebay and the car looks immaculate. Am I missing something here, is this not a pretty good deal?

    I've got to add 7% sales tax to the price (versus NO SALES TAX for a private party sale) and a one-way flight up to drive it back to Athens, GA. So I'd be looking at about $41k when all is said and done.

    What would $41k likely get me on a private sale in the Athens/Atlanta area? Any thoughts? Thanks.
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    Re: Is this a fair deal?

    IMO, mid 30's is a good price. Looks to be in great condition.

    As for the sales tax thing, you still have to pay taxes on a private sale when you go to register it, (unless GA has some weird tax exemptions).

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    Re: Is this a fair deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by GHOSTRIDER
    IMO, mid 30's is a good price. Looks to be in great condition.

    As for the sales tax thing, you still have to pay taxes on a private sale when you go to register it, (unless GA has some weird tax exemptions).
    In GA, private sales don't have to pay sales tax. We do have a tag tax, but that is the same regardless of if you bought via a dealer or an individual.

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    Wink Re: Is this a fair deal?

    In Ga. you only pay sales tax on cars bought from a dealer. No tax on private sellers. In or out of state purchases, but We do have a big tag renewal fee every year on your birthday.

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    Re: Is this a fair deal?

    If you gonna spend 41 K, put an extra 5-6 grand on top of that and find a 97 private party. You'll be glad you did.

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    Re: Is this a fair deal?

    Anyone want to carfax it? "14 records found"

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    Re: Is this a fair deal?

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    Year/Make/Model: 1994 ACURA NSX

    Body Style: COUPE
    Engine: 3.0L V6 PFI DOHC 24V
    Fuel: GASOLINE
    Driveline: REAR WHEEL DRIVE
    Manufactured in: JAPAN
    Safety Equipment: 4 wheel ABS, Dual front air bags/active (manual) belts

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    Date: Mileage:
    09/12/1995 8,946
    05/26/1998 15,000
    05/31/2000 17,000
    06/29/2000 17,998
    08/05/2000 18,077
    09/13/2000 18,211
    10/30/2000 18,351
    08/27/2003 20,774
    05/05/2004 22,192



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    Last reading reported on 05/05/2004: 22,192 miles
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    01/15/1995 Florida
    Motor Vehicle Dept.
    Pompano Beach, FL
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    personal vehicle


    01/27/1995 Florida
    Motor Vehicle Dept.
    Pompano Beach, FL
    Title #68327495
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    First owner reported


    09/12/1995 8,946 Ohio
    Motor Vehicle Dept.
    Springfield, OH
    Title #1200209031
    Title issued or updated


    05/26/1998 15,000 Ohio
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    Passed emissions inspection


    05/31/2000 17,000 Ohio
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    Passed emissions inspection


    06/29/2000 17,998 Service Facility
    Vehicle serviced
    Air conditioning serviced


    08/05/2000 18,077 Service Facility
    Vehicle serviced


    09/13/2000 18,211 Service Facility
    Vehicle serviced


    10/30/2000 18,351 Service Facility
    Vehicle serviced


    07/11/2002 Indiana
    Motor Vehicle Dept.
    Fort Wayne, IN
    Title #02170118086
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    08/27/2003 20,774 Ohio
    Motor Vehicle Dept.
    Minster, OH
    Title #0600239465
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    New owner reported


    05/05/2004 22,192 Service Facility
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    06/23/2005 Illinois
    Motor Vehicle Dept.
    Aurora, IL
    Title #X5174615633
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    Carol Stream, IL
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    Lightbulb almost a fair deal...

    $41k will get you a '97+ w/ avg., above avg miles this winter (inference based on last year's winter; of-course now that the NSX is discontinued, things might be different which I doubt though at this point in time).

    Remember though, regardless the model year, completion of maint'/service intervals (ie. 4yr/60k & 6yr/90k) should be considered when pricing and acquiring a NSX. That is generally a $2-2.5k expense.

    If owning a NSX_coupe is preferable to a NSX-T for you, then the '94 mentioned seems to be a very nice example provided that it's upto date on it's maint'/service. I'd wait it out a bit; the is slightly higher than what the market dictates for this time of year.

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    Re: Is this a fair deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Hardy
    In GA, private sales don't have to pay sales tax. We do have a tag tax, but that is the same regardless of if you bought via a dealer or an individual.
    Wow, a good thing about living in GA. Dealers must hate that.

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    Re: Is this a fair deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by GHOSTRIDER
    Wow, a good thing about living in GA. Dealers must hate that.
    That's OK, I hate dealers, so it all works out

    Seriously though, I avoid dealers if I can. In addition to the tax rule, they are more expensive, and I hate "the game". I bought a Protege5 for my wife a couple of weeks ago. The dealers were selling them for $13K - $15K. I bought from an individual for $10K. He was asking $10,900, I offered $9,500, He said $10,500, I said $10K and we were done. No games, no "let me talk to my manager", no processing fee, no paperwork and advertising fee, no BS. I test drove it, liked it, we spent 30 seconds negotiating, and then I gave him cash and he gave me a title and bill of sale. The whole process was painless. I've never walked out of a dealer happy.

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