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Why do people think that Honda/Acura invented VTEC?

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I have been seeing these posts how "ahead" Honda is for being the "first" to have VTEC and for other manufacturers to start seeing the "light" and what not.

Here's a little history lesson:

Fiat was the first auto manufacturer to patent a functional variable valve timing system which included variable lift. Developed by Giovanni Torazza in the late 1960s, the system used hydraulic pressure to vary the fulcrum of the cam followers (US Patent 3,641,988). The hydraulic pressure changed according to engine speed and intake pressure. The typical opening variation was 37%.

In September 1975, General Motors patented a system intended to vary valve lift. GM was interested in throttling the intake valves in order to reduce emissions. This was done by minimizing the amount of lift at low load to keep the intake velocity higher, thereby atomizing the intake charge. GM encountered problems running at very low lift, and abandoned the project.

Alfa Romeo was the first manufacturer to use a variable valve timing system in production cars (US Patent 4,231,330). The 1980 Alfa Romeo Spider 2.0 L had a mechanical VVT system in Spica fuel injected cars sold in the USA. Later this was also used in the 1983 Alfetta 2.0 Quadrifoglio Oro models as well as other cars.

In 1986, Nissan developed their own form of VVT with the VG30DE(TT) engine for their Mid-4 Concept. Nissan chose to focus their NVCS (Nissan Valve-Timing Control System) mainly at low and medium speed torque production because the vast majority of the time, engine RPMs will not be at extremely high speeds. The NVCS system can produce both a smooth idle, and high amounts of low and medium speed torque. Although it can help a little at the top-end also, the main focus of the system is low and medium range torque production. The VG30DE engine was first used in the 300ZX (Z31) 300ZR model in 1987, this was the first production car to use electronically controlled VVT technology.

The next step was taken in 1989 by Honda with the VTEC system. Honda had started production of a system that gives an engine the ability to operate on two completely different cam profiles, eliminating a major compromise in engine design. One profile designed to operate the valves at low engine speeds provides good road manners, low fuel consumption and low emissions output. The second is a high lift, long duration profile and comes into operation at high engine speeds to provide an increase in power output. The VTEC system was also further developed to provide other functions in engines designed primarily for low fuel consumption. The first VTEC engine Honda produced was the B16A which was installed in the Integra/CRX/Civic hatchback available in Japan and Europe. In 1991 the Acura/Honda NSX powered by the C30A became the first VTEC equipped vehicle available in the US. VTEC can be considered the first "cam switching" system and is also one of only a few currently in production.

In 1991, Clemson University researchers patented the Clemson Camshaft which was designed to provide continuously variable valve timing independently for both the intake and exhaust valves on a single camshaft assembly. This ability makes it suitable for both pushrod and overhead cam engine applications.[1]

In 1992 BMW introduced the VANOS system. Like the Nissan NVCS system it could provide timing variation for the intake cam in steps (or phases), the VANOS system differed in that it could provide one additional step for a total of three. Then in 1998 the Double Vanos system was introduced which significantly enhances emission management, increases output and torque, and offers better idling quality and fuel economy. Double Vanos was the first system which could provide electronically controlled, continuous timing variation for both the intake and exhaust valves. In 2001 BMW introduced the Valvetronic system. The Valvetronic system is unique in that it can continuously vary intake valve lift, in addition to timing for both the intake and exhaust valves. The precise control the system has over the intake valves allows for the intake charge to be controlled entirely by the intake valves, eliminating the need for a throttle valve and greatly reducing pumping loss. The reduction of pumping loss accounts for a 10% increase in power output and fuel economy.

Ford became the first manufacturer to use variable valve timing in a pickup-truck, with the top-selling Ford F-series in the 2004 model year. The engine used was the 5.4L 3-valve Triton.

In 2005 General Motors offered the first Variable Valve timing system for I-head V6 engines, LZE and LZ4.

In 2007 DaimlerChrysler became the first manufacturer to produce a cam-in-block engine with independent control of exhaust cam timing relative to the intake. The 2008 Dodge Viper uses Mechadyne's concentric camshaft assembly to help boost power output to 600 Bhp.


VVT Implementations
Aftermarket Modifications - Conventional hydraulic tappet can be engineered to rapidly bleed-down for variable reduction of valve opening and duration.
Alfa Romeo Twin Spark - TS stands for "Twinspark" engine, it is equipped with Variable Valve Timing technology.
BMW Valvetronic - Provides continuously variable lift for the intake valves; used in conjunction with Double VANOS.
BMW VANOS - Varies intake timing by rotating the camshaft in relation to the gear.
BMW Double VANOS - Continuously varies the timing of the intake and exhaust valves.
Ford Variable Cam Timing - Varies valve timing by rotating the camshaft.
GM VVT - Varies valve timing continuously throughout the RPM range for both intake and exhaust for improved performance in both overhead valve and overhead cam engine applications.(See also Northstar System).
GM DCVCP (Double Continuous Variable Cam Phasing) - Varies timing with hydraulic vane type phaser (see also Ecotec LE5).
Honda VTEC - Varies duration, timing and lift by switching between two different sets of cam lobes.
Honda i-VTEC - In high-output DOHC 4 cylinder engines the i-VTEC system adds continuous intake cam phasing (timing) to traditional VTEC. In economy oriented SOHC and DOHC 4 cylinder engines the i-VTEC system increases engine efficiency by delaying the closure of the intake valves under certain conditions and by using an electronically controlled throttle valve to reduce pumping loss. In SOHC V6 engines the i-VTEC system is used to provide Variable Cylinder Management which deactivates one bank of 3 cylinders during low demand operation.
Honda VTEC-E - Unlike most VTEC systems VTEC-E is not a cam switching system, instead it uses the VTEC mechanism to allow for a lean intake charge to be used by closing one intake valve under certain conditions.
Hyundai MPI CVVT - Varies power, torque, exhaust system, and engine response.
Lexus VVT-iE - Continuously varies the intake camshaft timing using an electric actuator.
Mazda S-VT - Varies timing by rotating the camshaft.
Mitsubishi MIVEC - Varies valve timing and lift.
Nissan N-VCT - Varies the rotation of the cam(s) only, does not alter lift or duration of the valves.
Nissan VVL - Varies timing, duration, and lift of the intake and exhaust valves by using two different sets of cam lobes.
Nissan VVT introduced with the HR15DE HR16DE MR18DE MR20DE new engines in september 2004 on the Nissan Tiida and north american version named Nissan Versa (in 2007); and finally the Nissan Sentra (in 2007).
Porsche VarioCam - Varies intake timing by adjusting tension of a cam chain.
Porsche VarioCam Plus - Varies intake valve timing by rotating the cam in relation to the cam sprocket as well as duration, timing and lift of the intake and exhaust valves by switching between two different sets of cam lobes.
Proton Campro CPS - Still under development, said to be based on Lotus technology which developed Porsche's VarioCam.
PSA Peugeot Citroën CVVT - Continuous variable valve timing.
Rover VVC - Varies timing with an eccentric disc.
Suzuki - VVT
Subaru AVCS - Varies timing (phase) with hydraulic pressure, used on turbocharged and six-cylinder Subaru engines.
Subaru AVLS - Varies duration, timing and lift by switching between two different sets of cam lobes. This system is nearly identical to Honda VTEC. Used by non-turbocharged Subaru engines.
Toyota VVT-i - Continuously varies the timing of the intake camshaft, or both the intake and exhaust camshafts (depending on application).
Toyota VVTL-i - Continuously varies the timing of the intake valves. Varies duration, timing and lift of the intake and exhaust valves by switching between two different sets of cam lobes.
Volkswagen - VVT introduced with the 1.8T engine. The intake timing intentionally runs advanced and a retard point is calculated by the ECU. A hydraulic tensioner retards the intake timing.
Volvo - VVT
 
You're confusing the 2

VVT (not Vtec) and others - a functional variable valve timing system which included variable lift. Developed by Giovanni Torazza in the late 1960s, the system used hydraulic pressure to vary the fulcrum of the cam followers (US Patent 3,641,988). The hydraulic pressure changed according to engine speed and intake pressure. The typical opening variation was 37%.

VTEC - Honda had started production of a system that gives an engine the ability to operate on two completely different cam profiles, eliminating a major compromise in engine design. One profile designed to operate the valves at low engine speeds provides good road manners, low fuel consumption and low emissions output. The second is a high lift, long duration profile and comes into operation at high engine speeds to provide an increase in power output.


I have been seeing these posts how "ahead" Honda is for being the "first" to have VTEC and for other manufacturers to start seeing the "light" and what not.

Here's a little history lesson:

Fiat was the first auto manufacturer to patent a functional variable valve timing system which included variable lift. Developed by Giovanni Torazza in the late 1960s, the system used hydraulic pressure to vary the fulcrum of the cam followers (US Patent 3,641,988). The hydraulic pressure changed according to engine speed and intake pressure. The typical opening variation was 37%.

In September 1975, General Motors patented a system intended to vary valve lift. GM was interested in throttling the intake valves in order to reduce emissions. This was done by minimizing the amount of lift at low load to keep the intake velocity higher, thereby atomizing the intake charge. GM encountered problems running at very low lift, and abandoned the project.

Alfa Romeo was the first manufacturer to use a variable valve timing system in production cars (US Patent 4,231,330). The 1980 Alfa Romeo Spider 2.0 L had a mechanical VVT system in Spica fuel injected cars sold in the USA. Later this was also used in the 1983 Alfetta 2.0 Quadrifoglio Oro models as well as other cars.

In 1986, Nissan developed their own form of VVT with the VG30DE(TT) engine for their Mid-4 Concept. Nissan chose to focus their NVCS (Nissan Valve-Timing Control System) mainly at low and medium speed torque production because the vast majority of the time, engine RPMs will not be at extremely high speeds. The NVCS system can produce both a smooth idle, and high amounts of low and medium speed torque. Although it can help a little at the top-end also, the main focus of the system is low and medium range torque production. The VG30DE engine was first used in the 300ZX (Z31) 300ZR model in 1987, this was the first production car to use electronically controlled VVT technology.

The next step was taken in 1989 by Honda with the VTEC system. Honda had started production of a system that gives an engine the ability to operate on two completely different cam profiles, eliminating a major compromise in engine design. One profile designed to operate the valves at low engine speeds provides good road manners, low fuel consumption and low emissions output. The second is a high lift, long duration profile and comes into operation at high engine speeds to provide an increase in power output. The VTEC system was also further developed to provide other functions in engines designed primarily for low fuel consumption. The first VTEC engine Honda produced was the B16A which was installed in the Integra/CRX/Civic hatchback available in Japan and Europe. In 1991 the Acura/Honda NSX powered by the C30A became the first VTEC equipped vehicle available in the US. VTEC can be considered the first "cam switching" system and is also one of only a few currently in production.

In 1991, Clemson University researchers patented the Clemson Camshaft which was designed to provide continuously variable valve timing independently for both the intake and exhaust valves on a single camshaft assembly. This ability makes it suitable for both pushrod and overhead cam engine applications.[1]

In 1992 BMW introduced the VANOS system. Like the Nissan NVCS system it could provide timing variation for the intake cam in steps (or phases), the VANOS system differed in that it could provide one additional step for a total of three. Then in 1998 the Double Vanos system was introduced which significantly enhances emission management, increases output and torque, and offers better idling quality and fuel economy. Double Vanos was the first system which could provide electronically controlled, continuous timing variation for both the intake and exhaust valves. In 2001 BMW introduced the Valvetronic system. The Valvetronic system is unique in that it can continuously vary intake valve lift, in addition to timing for both the intake and exhaust valves. The precise control the system has over the intake valves allows for the intake charge to be controlled entirely by the intake valves, eliminating the need for a throttle valve and greatly reducing pumping loss. The reduction of pumping loss accounts for a 10% increase in power output and fuel economy.

Ford became the first manufacturer to use variable valve timing in a pickup-truck, with the top-selling Ford F-series in the 2004 model year. The engine used was the 5.4L 3-valve Triton.

In 2005 General Motors offered the first Variable Valve timing system for I-head V6 engines, LZE and LZ4.

In 2007 DaimlerChrysler became the first manufacturer to produce a cam-in-block engine with independent control of exhaust cam timing relative to the intake. The 2008 Dodge Viper uses Mechadyne's concentric camshaft assembly to help boost power output to 600 Bhp.


VVT Implementations
Aftermarket Modifications - Conventional hydraulic tappet can be engineered to rapidly bleed-down for variable reduction of valve opening and duration.
Alfa Romeo Twin Spark - TS stands for "Twinspark" engine, it is equipped with Variable Valve Timing technology.
BMW Valvetronic - Provides continuously variable lift for the intake valves; used in conjunction with Double VANOS.
BMW VANOS - Varies intake timing by rotating the camshaft in relation to the gear.
BMW Double VANOS - Continuously varies the timing of the intake and exhaust valves.
Ford Variable Cam Timing - Varies valve timing by rotating the camshaft.
GM VVT - Varies valve timing continuously throughout the RPM range for both intake and exhaust for improved performance in both overhead valve and overhead cam engine applications.(See also Northstar System).
GM DCVCP (Double Continuous Variable Cam Phasing) - Varies timing with hydraulic vane type phaser (see also Ecotec LE5).
Honda VTEC - Varies duration, timing and lift by switching between two different sets of cam lobes.
Honda i-VTEC - In high-output DOHC 4 cylinder engines the i-VTEC system adds continuous intake cam phasing (timing) to traditional VTEC. In economy oriented SOHC and DOHC 4 cylinder engines the i-VTEC system increases engine efficiency by delaying the closure of the intake valves under certain conditions and by using an electronically controlled throttle valve to reduce pumping loss. In SOHC V6 engines the i-VTEC system is used to provide Variable Cylinder Management which deactivates one bank of 3 cylinders during low demand operation.
Honda VTEC-E - Unlike most VTEC systems VTEC-E is not a cam switching system, instead it uses the VTEC mechanism to allow for a lean intake charge to be used by closing one intake valve under certain conditions.
Hyundai MPI CVVT - Varies power, torque, exhaust system, and engine response.
Lexus VVT-iE - Continuously varies the intake camshaft timing using an electric actuator.
Mazda S-VT - Varies timing by rotating the camshaft.
Mitsubishi MIVEC - Varies valve timing and lift.
Nissan N-VCT - Varies the rotation of the cam(s) only, does not alter lift or duration of the valves.
Nissan VVL - Varies timing, duration, and lift of the intake and exhaust valves by using two different sets of cam lobes.
Nissan VVT introduced with the HR15DE HR16DE MR18DE MR20DE new engines in september 2004 on the Nissan Tiida and north american version named Nissan Versa (in 2007); and finally the Nissan Sentra (in 2007).
Porsche VarioCam - Varies intake timing by adjusting tension of a cam chain.
Porsche VarioCam Plus - Varies intake valve timing by rotating the cam in relation to the cam sprocket as well as duration, timing and lift of the intake and exhaust valves by switching between two different sets of cam lobes.
Proton Campro CPS - Still under development, said to be based on Lotus technology which developed Porsche's VarioCam.
PSA Peugeot Citroën CVVT - Continuous variable valve timing.
Rover VVC - Varies timing with an eccentric disc.
Suzuki - VVT
Subaru AVCS - Varies timing (phase) with hydraulic pressure, used on turbocharged and six-cylinder Subaru engines.
Subaru AVLS - Varies duration, timing and lift by switching between two different sets of cam lobes. This system is nearly identical to Honda VTEC. Used by non-turbocharged Subaru engines.
Toyota VVT-i - Continuously varies the timing of the intake camshaft, or both the intake and exhaust camshafts (depending on application).
Toyota VVTL-i - Continuously varies the timing of the intake valves. Varies duration, timing and lift of the intake and exhaust valves by switching between two different sets of cam lobes.
Volkswagen - VVT introduced with the 1.8T engine. The intake timing intentionally runs advanced and a retard point is calculated by the ECU. A hydraulic tensioner retards the intake timing.
Volvo - VVT
 
we know we know... mazda started it all. All hail mazda. mazda is better...

:biggrin:
 
Mazda? Who's Mazda? Boy, they've fallen off the radar screen even worse than Honda/Acura. Do they even sell cars these days? :wink: :tongue: :cool:

Probably not, they make TONS more cash from selling parts to fix busted FD's than anything :biggrin: :tongue: And shop rags to soak up the leaking oil. lol
 
Actually Honda started on developing the VTEC system in 1983 as REV (Revolution-modulated valve control), used in motorcycles such as the CB400 in 1983. Further on in 1984 they started a new development program called the NCE (New Concept Engine) which is the birth of VTEC as we know/knew it today.

To make a long story short, aww heck! Just read about it here:
http://world.honda.com/history/challenge/1989vtecengine/text/01.html

I know Honda didn't invent the variable valve timing but they sure did perfect that technology. Not a single failure in all those years.
 
Mazda? Who's Mazda? Boy, they've fallen off the radar screen even worse than Honda/Acura. Do they even sell cars these days? :wink: :tongue: :cool:

I agree :biggrin: Since i've got the s2000, sigh, my car gets mistaken for a miata daily. It drives me nuts. I normally tell people they're wayyy off and need to try again.
 
Mazda? Who's Mazda? Boy, they've fallen off the radar screen even worse than Honda/Acura. Do they even sell cars these days? :wink: :tongue: :cool:

all i hear is FORD

it didn't help that the mazda 3 looks better than the damn RX-8.
rx-7 was beautiful.... where the hell did that (ugly) sedan-looking rx-8 pos come from?

the 3 is too stubby, the 6 looks OK, the miata is a miata, the zoom zoom ads are borderline insanity inducing (and totally stolen from only the strong)

i just wanna know what happened to nissan... .their quality and their dealership policies turned to shit.
 
all i hear is FORD

it didn't help that the mazda 3 looks better than the damn RX-8.
rx-7 was beautiful.... where the hell did that (ugly) sedan-looking rx-8 pos come from?

the 3 is too stubby, the 6 looks OK, the miata is a miata, the zoom zoom ads are borderline insanity inducing (and totally stolen from only the strong)

i just wanna know what happened to nissan... .their quality and their dealership policies turned to shit.

After Renault bought Nissan, their quality almost went to the same level as the French cars are well known for. Nissan has been in some financial difficulties and Renault has tried to turn that around by decreasing quality and production costs.
 
After Renault bought Nissan, their quality almost went to the same level as the French cars are well known for. Nissan has been in some financial difficulties and Renault has tried to turn that around by decreasing quality and production costs.

Funny to mention Renault.
The Dutch Renault dealer recently announced that Renault is embarking on a new project to increase quality and reliability.
They admitted that the Renault Laguna and Megane, both very popular in Europe and especially in the lease market, had had a lot of quality issues over the last few years, and they are determined to make sure that within two years their products will rank in the top of the reliability and consumer-satisfaction lists. They also mentioned that they had learned a lot from Nissan when it comes to building reliable cars.
 
Funny to mention Renault.
The Dutch Renault dealer recently announced that Renault is embarking on a new project to increase quality and reliability.
They admitted that the Renault Laguna and Megane, both very popular in Europe and especially in the lease market, had had a lot of quality issues over the last few years, and they are determined to make sure that within two years their products will rank in the top of the reliability and consumer-satisfaction lists. They also mentioned that they had learned a lot from Nissan when it comes to building reliable cars.


That's very good. Recently both the prices on Renault and Peugeot have skyrocketed in Europe and that has decreased the overall sales significantly, at least here in Iceland. Don't know how it has been in Europe. Hopefully Peugeot will follow their example and put more quality in their product over the next years. Lovely cars to drive.
 
My 1994 Rx-7 would boil over the coolent as well. Don't forget that :biggrin: The NSX kicks the shit out of pretty much any car out there if you want to turn the key and drive, HANDS DOWN. No adding this and that and turbo upgrade all that crap.
 
You're confusing the 2

VVT (not Vtec) and others - a functional variable valve timing system which included variable lift. Developed by Giovanni Torazza in the late 1960s, the system used hydraulic pressure to vary the fulcrum of the cam followers (US Patent 3,641,988). The hydraulic pressure changed according to engine speed and intake pressure. The typical opening variation was 37%.

VTEC - Honda had started production of a system that gives an engine the ability to operate on two completely different cam profiles, eliminating a major compromise in engine design. One profile designed to operate the valves at low engine speeds provides good road manners, low fuel consumption and low emissions output. The second is a high lift, long duration profile and comes into operation at high engine speeds to provide an increase in power output.



OWNED!
 
BMW Double VANOS - Continuously varies the timing of the intake and exhaust valves.
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Ford Variable Cam Timing - Varies valve timing by rotating the camshaft.

What about the Ferrari version? Didn't they introduce something in their F360 that continuously vary the phase/lift of the cams?
 
I know Honda didn't invent the variable valve timing but they sure did perfect that technology. Not a single failure in all those years.

If you mean "perfect" as in reliability, yes they did get V-tec to run reliably all these years. But if you are talking about "perfect" in the performance sense, No they didn't, because BMW's Double Vanos leaves "V-Tec" and even "i-Vtec" in the dust.
 
If you mean "perfect" as in reliability, yes they did get V-tec to run reliably all these years. But if you are talking about "perfect" in the performance sense, No they didn't, because BMW's Double Vanos leaves "V-Tec" and even "i-Vtec" in the dust.

Should have said perfect the reliability.

Let's see how Advanced VTEC compares to the VANOS system though the A-VTEC might reflect more on Hondas enviromental policy rather than performance.
 
If you mean "perfect" as in reliability, yes they did get V-tec to run reliably all these years. But if you are talking about "perfect" in the performance sense, No they didn't, because BMW's Double Vanos leaves "V-Tec" and even "i-Vtec" in the dust.

How's the bmw system work?
 
How's the bmw system work?

I'm not really good at explaining things but i'll give it a go:redface:

From what I understand BMW's Double Vanos is infinitly variable. Meaning, the timing of the intake and exhaust will/is constanly changing to meet your power needs based on how you are driving at that moment.

Whereas for a v-tec or i-vtec motor, you only have a "certain" RPM range point(s) where the intake and exhaust timing is "changed". i-vtec is "supposed" to be infinitly variable, but from what I have heard it isn't.
 
A September 25, 2006 press release announced the launch of the Advanced VTEC engine by Honda. The new engine combines continuously variable valve lift and timing control with the continuously variable phase control of VTC (Variable Timing Control). This new system permits optimum control over intake valve lift and phase in response to driving conditions, achieving improved charging efficiency for a significant increase in torque at all engine speeds. Under low to medium load levels, the valves are set for low lift and early closure to reduce pumping losses and improve fuel economy. In comparison to the 2.4L i-VTEC these advancements claim to increase fuel efficiency by 13%. Honda also claims that new engine also meets exhaust emission standards compliant with U.S. EPA - LEV2-ULEV regulations and Japanese Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport requirements for Low-Emission Vehicles, with emission levels 75% lower than those required by the 2005 standards. The Advanced VTEC goes into production models in 3 years.
 
You're confusing the 2

VVT (not Vtec) and others - a functional variable valve timing system which included variable lift. Developed by Giovanni Torazza in the late 1960s, the system used hydraulic pressure to vary the fulcrum of the cam followers (US Patent 3,641,988). The hydraulic pressure changed according to engine speed and intake pressure. The typical opening variation was 37%.

VTEC - Honda had started production of a system that gives an engine the ability to operate on two completely different cam profiles, eliminating a major compromise in engine design. One profile designed to operate the valves at low engine speeds provides good road manners, low fuel consumption and low emissions output. The second is a high lift, long duration profile and comes into operation at high engine speeds to provide an increase in power output.


Poor Batmans he really thought he had something there:frown: It's tough when you get schooled this bad by someone who writes two paragraphs to your two and a half pages. Oh well you could always cut and paste this on the RX7 forums they may not know any better:smile:
 
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