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last weekend when I was driving home and encountering a red 355 spider. The driver looks cocky in his car and told me there's no competition bewteen my nsx and his 355 at red light.
of course when the light turned green we both started quick and I can hear his engine screaming. I had to admit 355 was my dream car( now is the 360 Modena) however, 355 wasn't as fast as I would expect and we were actually about same fast from the line all the way to 3rd gear. Then the 355 slowed down. I was really surprised and wondering if the guy didn't drive his car hard.
JoeSchmoe
05-09-2000, 15:34
Originally posted by NSEX:
however, 355 wasn't as fast as I would expect and we were actually about same fast from the line all the way to 3rd gear. Then the 355 slowed down. I was really surprised and wondering if the guy didn't drive his car hard.
From the reviews and comparisons Ive come across, it seems that both cars are fairly evenly matched in 0-60. Launching and shifting technique probably have a bigger influence here.
It sounds like you guys had to worry about stoplights meaning you probably didnt get to see the top of 3rd. Its around there that the gap will start to widen between the 355 and the NSX.
Andrie Hartanto
05-09-2000, 16:21
I driven the spyder and berlinnetta and I must say that the spyder is noticably slower that the belinnetta. IMO the spyder is slower than the NSX. But the berlinnetta is definetely faster. Especially in high gears.
Andrie: what year is your NSX?
I didn't expect the 355 isn't that fast
Andrie Hartanto
05-10-2000, 15:53
92 with only headers, muffler, intake, chip and Dali clutch and flywheel. Sorry, never driven a stock one be4.
Deltron Zero
03-08-2007, 10:23
If Dominic Toretto was with you, you woulda smoked him!
K. I win the contest for oldest post revival.
damthatbeaver
03-08-2007, 10:59
I have been watching videos of various Ferraris and Lamborghinis...and I tend to agree with what is being said about the 355...its an absolutley stunning car...but it is not blistering quick - the same could be said about the Countach - which bring sus to the point of contention that we all know...the NSX is the best bang for your buck...hands down:cool:
so ends my sermon...lol
Dam
.....It sounds like you guys had to worry about stoplights meaning you probably didnt get to see the top of 3rd. Its around there that the gap will start to widen between the 355 and the NSX.
375.00 BHP (276 KW) @ 8250.00 RPM
Torque 268.00 Ft-Lbs (363.4 NM) @ 6000.00 RPM
I've had the luck of driving a F1 355 drop top years ago......... unattended (the owner just made $400 million with an IPO and was handing out keys for folks to drive his 355 that he just purchased.
I hammered the hell outta it and was really disappointed that it was slower than my FD off the line from a rolling start. Ferrari's wheels are heavy. So I figured that since the wheels are heavy and the power band is near Redline, that in order for them to obtain their 0-60 mph numbers they must have really revved up that engine prior to dumping the clutch.
last weekend when I was driving home and encountering a red NSX. The driver looks cocky in his car and told me there's no competition bewteen my RX7 (or Supra) and his NSX at red light.
of course when the light turned green we both started quick and I can hear his engine screaming. I had to admit NSX was my dream car however, NSX wasn't as fast as I would expect and we were actually about same fast from the line all the way to 3rd gear. Then the NSX slowed down. I was really surprised and wondering if the guy didn't drive his car hard.
Some choice words were replaced to emulate a good number of posts that I have seen on the other 2 forums.....
:)
I had a 1995 NSX, and raced a F355 spider, and that car killed me, I had absolutely no chance what so ever. I raced the same F355 with my 03 NSX, and my car is slight faster after 60 mph.
So NA1 "T" is much slower than the coupe and NA2. That's from personal experience.
Some choice words were replaced to emulate a good number of posts that I have seen on the other 2 forums.....
:)
You really seem obsessed with comparing the NSX to other cars and justifying the worth of the FD relative to the NSX. You should enjoy them both and stop caring about such things.
the 355 definitly is fast than the nsx. It depends on the driver and upgrades on the car.
Im not sure how a 3.0L V6 can out power a 3.5L V8.
I own both cars and the 355 just gets up to speed like its no body's business. In the nsx you notice the amount of time it takes to get up to 100mph but in the 355 its pretty darn quick. In the canyons, with the 355, i always take turns faster than expected because i just dont expect the car to be up to speed in such a short straight away. The NSX was consistant and i never felt 'oh shit, im going in too quick for this turn'.
375HP/268TQ at FW for the 355 vs 280HP and 2xx TQ at flywheel for the nsx. the nsx only put down 180-190 tq in stock form.
My 355 has K&N drop in, custom headers and tubi.... and the nsx has i,e,test pipes.
I'll strap the 355 down on the dyno after i get the oil changed. when is my damn 60$ oil filter coming!?!?!
the 355 spyder is slower than the 355B.
wow i wish i could bank 400million in an IPO. Free superchargers for everyone on prime :D
btw,both cars are beautiful, im thankful that we are lucky enough to own either one.
Theres a video on youtube where a magazine drag raced a F355 and NSX.
You would think with 100 more hp the Ferrari would win, but it doesn't.
I think from now on when someone ask how much power my car has I'm going to tell them it has 380FHP.
FHP = Ferrari Horse Power
You really seem obsessed with comparing the NSX to other cars and justifying the worth of the FD relative to the NSX. You should enjoy them both and stop caring about such things.
He's gotta do something while the FD is in the shop..LOL
He's gotta do something while the FD is in the shop..LOL
All kidding aside, those kinds of comments only fuel his obsession with justifying the worth of the FD.
All kidding aside, those kinds of comments only fuel his obsession with justifying the worth of the FD.
:confused: I wasn't kidding. He has the NSX for when he knows he actually needs to make it somewhere w/o a tow truck:biggrin:
:confused: I wasn't kidding. He has the NSX for when he knows he actually needs to make it somewhere w/o a tow truck:biggrin:
LOL usually signifies one is making a joke, even if it is based on reality.
LOL usually signifies one is making a joke, even if it is based on reality.
Sorry I meant that I was laughing because it's funny. He's obsession is okay and I'm sure his car is fast...when it runs.
355's aren't as fast as one would expect a ferrari to be. I've smoked (cake walk) many in my other car but it had over 400hp. I hope and reckon a modded 3.2 should be able to take the 355. 355 is a good base chassis compared to the modena and 430 because it's lighter and smaller, most of the track guys who mod their ferrari's use the 355. Can't wait to have my chance with one in the nsx. I think the true test would be high end speeds, neither of these cars are good dragsters...IMO
i only have no cats and AIS and my car from a 1st gear roll start, was side by side with a 360 Modena....my car was dynoed with 304hp to the crank..in 5th gear
Sorry I meant that I was laughing because it's funny. He's obsession is okay and I'm sure his car is fast...when it runs.
The FD has been reliable the last few years I've had it due to a few mods and proper tuning with 91 octane in mind.
Deltron Zero
03-09-2007, 11:09
what does FD stand for?
It's the 3rd generation RX7.
FB is the first gen
FC is the 2nd gen
FE is the RX8
Deltron Zero
03-09-2007, 11:31
It's the 3rd generation RX7.
FB is the first gen
FC is the 2nd gen
FE is the RX8
Thanks!
355's aren't as fast as one would expect a ferrari to be. I've smoked (cake walk) many in my other car but it had over 400hp. I hope and reckon a modded 3.2 should be able to take the 355. 355 is a good base chassis compared to the modena and 430 because it's lighter and smaller, most of the track guys who mod their ferrari's use the 355. Can't wait to have my chance with one in the nsx. I think the true test would be high end speeds, neither of these cars are good dragsters...IMO
I like that. In addition to lighter weight, does the NSX have more favorable gearing?
Earlier this morning I came across a F1 430.
Too bad for the rush hour traffic. The driver wanted to play with my 400~RWHP FD.
It's the 3rd generation RX7.
FB is the first gen
FC is the 2nd gen
FE is the RX8
FB-Freakin' Boring
FC-Freakin' Costly
FD-Freakin' Dumb
FE-Freakin' Empty
:eek: :biggrin: :biggrin: :tongue: :tongue: :smile: :smile: :wink: :wink:
FB-Freakin' Boring
FC-Freakin' Costly
FD-Freakin' Dumb
FE-Freakin' Empty
:eek: :biggrin: :biggrin: :tongue: :tongue: :smile: :smile: :wink: :wink:
Poor guy,
You must have never owned one. To bad, you should take on out for a spin sometime, you might like it. I've owned several FD's and all were very fast, very reliable, and would spank my S2000 and NSX all over the track, street, and any place else. BUT, you get to a certain level and all the cars are so close and fun that no one cares! :wink:
J. R.
You must have never owned one. To bad, you should take on out for a spin sometime, you might like it. I've owned several FD's and all were very fast, very reliable, and would spank my S2000 and NSX all over the track, street, and any place else.The third-generation RX-7 had the worst reputation for reliability of any Japanese car ever; most have had the engines replaced, some multiple times. If yours were different, glad to hear you're such a lucky guy.
As for "spanking", comparing a highly modded car with a stock car is silly. You can mod any car to be faster than any other car. All it takes is money.
Meeyatch1
03-10-2007, 20:15
I driven the spyder and berlinnetta and I must say that the spyder is noticably slower that the belinnetta. IMO the spyder is slower than the NSX. But the berlinnetta is definetely faster. Especially in high gears.
I hope you are right. The F355 is a car I am striving for, but when I drove an F355 Spider last year I was let down because it did not feel fast at all. By comparison, the 360 Modena I drove felt like it was shot from a rocket booster! Hopefully the F355 GTB will be more in line with what I want.
Lets combine these two for a nexus: http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69523&highlight=355+spyder
The third-generation RX-7 had the worst reputation for reliability of any Japanese car ever; most have had the engines replaced, some multiple times. If yours were different, glad to hear you're such a lucky guy.
As for "spanking", comparing a highly modded car with a stock car is silly. You can mod any car to be faster than any other car. All it takes is money.
Nothing to do with luck nsxtasy. Just was not new to a rotory and knew what I was doing with the car. The motor is fine if it is taken care of and tunned correctly, unfortunatly there are two few who have knowledge of the engine or the tunning to take care of it, so it gets a bad rep, and then people like yourself just jump on the bandwagon and bash it. Its ok, I guess I am faulty of jumping on the bandwagon and spreading information that I hear instead of know too, so we both are at fault.
J. R.
Yes,,but,,are'nt car companies supposed to produce cars for the general populous,most of us have no concept of what goes on under the hood,nor should we.A modern car should perform its tasks(with a routine maintanance schedual) without the owner needing advanced degrees in motor or turbo performance:rolleyes: The nsx meets this criterior sadly the twin turbo rx-7 did not,and yes I owned one for 3 yrs.
I hope you are right. The F355 is a car I am striving for, but when I drove an F355 Spider last year I was let down because it did not feel fast at all. By comparison, the 360 Modena I drove felt like it was shot from a rocket booster! Hopefully the F355 GTB will be more in line with what I want.
I think you may be disappointed with the F355 GTB, although it does have some very attractive qualities.
I friend of mine bought one last year after selling a clean 380 rwhp FD and I had a chance to take it through its paces.
The sound is amazing and visually it is still a stunner, but I prefer the NSX for several reasons. The NSX is much more of a precision instrument in several areas and far superior ergonomically and in overall design focus and cohesion.
As far as straight line performance, his 98 6-speed w/Tubi was very close to my E46 M3 w/Borla, with the F355 having a few extra hundred RPM in each gear. Its numbers are on par with a stock NA2.
BTW, my friend has put his car on the market. For me, only the 360 would be a possible replacement for my NSX.
Theres a video on youtube where a magazine drag raced a F355 and NSX.
You would think with 100 more hp the Ferrari would win, but it doesn't.
I think from now on when someone ask how much power my car has I'm going to tell them it has 380FHP.
FHP = Ferrari Horse Power
Precisely. The F355 does not have 100 more hp than the NSX. If it did it would be significantly faster. And since the F360 admittedly only has ~20 more hp than the F355 it isn't significantly faster than the NSX either.
Ferrari's claim of 380hp for the F355 is outrageous. This (http://www.dynospotracing.com/f355.htm) dyno chart shows a F355 barely getting to 300 rwhp. ~80hp loss through the drivetrain? :rolleyes: Gimme a break.
I would love to see some dyno data on F355's. Based on 1/4 mile times I am guessing they are around 300 RWHP. I personally don't think it matters on a Ferrari. It needs to be fast but I doubt that the Stereotypical Ferrari ownner cares that a modded FD or a NSX is as quick. From a styling standpoint, I think that the F355 looks better than a F360 which unfortunately looks better than a F430
Btw, I was searching for dyno data and found this article in Yahoo or all places. Pretty decent read.
http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/car-reviews/car-and-driving/ferrari-f355-2002704.html
Precisely. The F355 does not have 100 more hp than the NSX. If it did it would be significantly faster. And since the F360 admittedly only has ~20 more hp than the F355 it isn't significantly faster than the NSX either.
Ferrari's claim of 380hp for the F355 is outrageous. This (http://www.dynospotracing.com/f355.htm) dyno chart shows a F355 barely getting to 300 rwhp. ~80hp loss through the drivetrain? :rolleyes: Gimme a break.
May be we should compare power to weight ratios... how much does a 355 weigh? Guessing only but a 355 would probably feel much faster than a stock NSX at the highend.
May be we should compare power to weight ratios... how much does a 355 weigh? Guessing only but a 355 would probably feel much faster than a stock NSX at the highend.
3150 lbs.
I'm not saying the F355 doesn't have more hp; just saying it doesn't have 100hp more. The F355 will pull the NSX at higher speeds but 0-60 is pretty darn close.
The third-generation RX-7 had the worst reputation for reliability of any Japanese car ever; most have had the engines replaced, some multiple times.
I had one of the Mazda Twin Turbo R1's for about 1 year. During that time I had two engines replaced and 3 sets of turbos. It was flat bedded to the dealer on three occasions. Three of the 4 OE wheels cracked. The dealer actually had the car in his shop more in that one year than I had it in my garage!!! I traded a 944 turbo S for that car, worst trade I ever made.
The third-generation RX-7 had the worst reputation for reliability of any Japanese car ever; most have had the engines replaced, some multiple times. If yours were different, glad to hear you're such a lucky guy.
As for "spanking", comparing a highly modded car with a stock car is silly. You can mod any car to be faster than any other car. All it takes is money.
I spoke with a master Madaz tech. long while back about the last gen. of the RX7. He told me they have very poor reliability.
I had one of the Mazda Twin Turbo R1's for about 1 year. During that time I had two engines replaced and 3 sets of turbos. It was flat bedded to the dealer on three occasions. Three of the 4 OE wheels cracked. The dealer actually had the car in his shop more in that one year than I had it in my garage!!! I traded a 944 turbo S for that car, worst trade I ever made.
Thanks for being honest! I remember people suing Mazda to make them take their RX7 back posting sites on the internet. When one of my friends went to test drive one back in 94 the guy who was selling it said he had just had the turbos replaced under warranty. When my buddy asked why the guy told him he drove it in the rain and they got "wet". I think the RX7 is a beautiful car and a great performer , but it makes Ferraris look as dependable as a civic!
I just ran my 1991 NA1(completely stock) against my friend's 1996 355B for a couple hours today. He has a Tubi exhaust. He's faster, but not that much faster.
We swapped cars, too. For being competitors, these cars really couldn't be more DIFFERENT. The 355 is a beast, and always feels like control could be lost at any given moment. The NSX is just so much more refined and civilized than the 355. The 355 demands to be absolutely manhandled in all gears.
He really only starts pulling on me towards the end of his 2nd gear.
One thing is certain: The 355 gets way more looks than the NSX. Even still, I wouldn't trade mine for a 355 for anything..:wink:
MoreRPMs
03-11-2007, 21:01
Thanks for being honest! I remember people suing Mazda to make them take their RX7 back posting sites on the internet. whaaa whaaaa
What are you, some dickhead crusader that must warn North America of a limited run model that was brought here for 3 years, over 12 years ago? :rolleyes: Must've gotten your ass handed to you really bad time and time again by those "unreliable" beer kegs on every track/auto-x.
Gather all the cars in your sig and put them up against an FD. Now rev them all to 7500 and keep them there and see which one is left standing. It'll be ok, just takes a bit of time to round up all the piston scraps, then in a jealous rage, come on Prime and post for the umpteenth time how garbage-like the car that wiped your behind really is.
heySkippy
03-11-2007, 21:13
Gather all the cars in your sig and put them up against an FD. Now rev them all to 7500 and keep them there and see which one is left standing. It'll be ok, just takes a bit of time to round up all the piston scraps, then in a jealous rage, come on Prime and post for the umpteenth time how garbage-like the car that wiped your behind really is.
I don't know about the M3, but the NSX and the S2000 will be plenty happy at 7500 RPM for any reasonable amount of time. What was your point with that, anyway?
Gather all the cars in your sig and put them up against an FD.
WingZ, Find my old car and it will be a piece of cake:biggrin:
What are you, some dickhead crusader that must warn North America of a limited run model that was brought here for 3 years, over 12 years ago? :rolleyes: Must've gotten your ass handed to you really bad time and time again by those "unreliable" beer kegs on every track/auto-x.
Gather all the cars in your sig and put them up against an FD. Now rev them all to 7500 and keep them there and see which one is left standing. It'll be ok, just takes a bit of time to round up all the piston scraps, then in a jealous rage, come on Prime and post for the umpteenth time how garbage-like the car that wiped your behind really is.
Uh,,, having a bad day?Why would you single out wingz with such verbage when there have been 5 of us saying the same thing?:confused:
MoreRPMs
03-11-2007, 22:18
Docjohn, saying something once may be funny, but seems like a few weeks worth of non-stop bashing a particular car is just way too many, that's why he happened to be singled out.
Back to the issue of keeping all the cars almost at redline will surely prove which engine is more durable, and which ones will have long grenaded in a cloud of smoke and metal bits.
Without getting to much into it let me just say this.
Stock RX7's when maintained where not bad to deal with.
But most people who talk online are modding the cars. Thing was the rotary ran pretty lean to begin with NO ROOM in the ecu for adjusting fuel so that it would be able to pass emissions. That said if you put intake and exhaust on the car it would run lean. High EGT's, High underhood temps, you name it.
Another thing was even just doing exhaust on the car they would run leaner, with higher EGT's and cook all the vacuum hoses and then you have problems.
Another problem was IC placement and size. It was not very efficient and the car had VERY high AIT's causing it always to be on the borderline of detonation.
Another problem was the turbo's are OLD! In there design they were pushing the efficiency level just running 10 psi. But most guys would turn them up to 12 or 13 psi, not realizing that there efficiency just goes down the toilet so while they do produce a little more power, they produce 2x that in heat.
ANWAY, this is why I saw it was not luck with me and my reliable RX7. I was just a informed owner. But like some of you have said, that is all mazda's fault for releasing a car like that...I would say no, a untouched RX7 if maintained is not that bad on the wallet.,.......problem is, the people that are online talking about them, or heard about them.......well these are car guys. Lets face it, the people reading this post right now are car guys. And if you play with a RX7 and aren't informed as I was, you see how if you tamper with anything on the motor without knowing what you are doing its game over time!!!
So I don't know the point of my post. I guess its to say...both arguments are right. The car is reliable for those that understand the 12a, and 13B rotory by Dr. Wankel, and the car is a nightmare for the Naive and Un-informed who mod the car blindly.
No matter what, the platform is still amazing. bring me a 350 HP rx7 and a 350HP NSX and I'll tell you right now which one will get a spanking in a parking lot, racetrack, QT track, or anywhere else......so lets just enjoy both cars for what they are, Beautiful Cars!
J. R.
Stock RX7's when maintained where not bad to deal with.
But most people who talk online are modding the cars.
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I would say no, a untouched RX7 if maintained is not that bad on the wallet.,.......problem is, the people that are online talking about them, or heard about them.......well these are car guys. Lets face it, the people reading this post right now are car guys. And if you play with a RX7 and aren't informed as I was, you see how if you tamper with anything on the motor without knowing what you are doing its game over time!!!A good friend of mine owned one. His was bone stock. It was a maintenance/repair nightmare. He had some severe problems in the engine's electical system and he had to take it to the dealer many many times. I'm not sure whether they ever found what was causing the problem.
Thought I'd add fuel to the fire :tongue:
nsxtcy85
03-19-2007, 17:41
My buddy bought one last year, drove it from 52k miles to 55k miles and the apex seal went. It was going to cost somthing like 2,400$ to fix. He was very upset and sold it soon after. Then bought an Is300 and hasn't been happier!
Theres just so many stories of people having problems there not all bs. Its for sure the least reliable car ever produced from japan.....
I guess I was the only person that noticed that this thread originated 7 years ago. :D
It's all good, interesting discussion though. I firgured that the 355 and NA2 would be a good match. Especially with minor mods to the NSX.
A good friend of mine owned one. His was bone stock. It was a maintenance/repair nightmare. He had some severe problems in the engine's electical system and he had to take it to the dealer many many times. I'm not sure whether they ever found what was causing the problem.
Are you talking about the FD?
Of all the problems that I have experienced in my FD, I have never had electrical problems. Look at my Sig. I've got the world's undisputed record for the most miles on the FD. Just about every non-performance-modifiable component is still stock, like the ABS, power steering, ignition, starter, A/C, but it was pulled out to make the FD lighter, master brake and clutch cyclinders, etc.
The stuff that breaks most commonly in the FD is the apex seals on the engine from our wonderfully low octane gas. Here is CA it's a whooping-tree-hugging 91.
I've mentioned in another thread that the R&R, port, and rebuild my engine cost me less than $1500. No big deal compared to a NSX engine if one were to grenade it from too much boost. It's all relative.
My 10+ FD buddies that are local never had electrical problems.
I pressure wash my engine bay EVERY week when I wash and wax my FD. I did that to my sister's Honda and the car started to misfire.
I can only imagine what the NSX might do if i wanted to make the engine compartment as bling as the FD with my 2000psi pressure washer.
Your buddy must be one of the rare unlucky ones with the electrical ailments.
When someone talks about electrical problems in a car, I start to think about European makes like Lotus, Jaguar, BMW, etc...
My buddy bought one last year, drove it from 52k miles to 55k miles and the apex seal went. It was going to cost somthing like 2,400$ to fix. He was very upset and sold it soon after. Then bought an Is300 and hasn't been happier!
Theres just so many stories of people having problems there not all bs. Its for sure the least reliable car ever produced from japan.....
that's fair enough.
It's the folks that start "hearing" things about the entire FD being crap that draws attention from someone that has more miles than anyone on a FD in the world.
It's the folks that start "hearing" things about the entire FD being crap that draws attention from someone that has more miles than anyone on a FD in the world.No, the fact is, it's a crap car.
Think of it this way. Let's assume that 1 percent of Japanese brand cars, and 2 percent of American and European brand cars, have their engines replaced. And let's assume that 20 percent of third-gen RX-7s have their engines replaced. Sure, you might be one of the 80 percent that don't have their engines replaced. But that doesn't change the fact that it happens ten times as often with the third-gen RX-7 than with any other car I've ever heard of (with one exception, the early E46 M3). Heck, reports of engine failures were not particularly common with the first and second gen RX-7.
So sure, yours might not have problems. But that doesn't change the fact that many, MANY third gen RX-7s - including bone stock cars - do. Shop for third-gen RX-7s and ask whether they still have their original engine, and you'll find that many, maybe most, of them don't. Simple fact.
Theres just so many stories of people having problems there not all bs. Its for sure the least reliable car ever produced from japan.....http://images.corvetteforum.com/images/smilies/iagree.gif
MoreRPMs
03-20-2007, 19:41
Does the fact that almost ALL the transmissions in the CL/TL being bad and needing replacing make them "crap" cars? And those cars are certainly not anything special (like the FD) by any stretch of the imagination; that is, they don't stand out or shine in any form or fashion other than being lame like all the cars in their class.
Rotary engines in the 3rd gen needing a little extra attention, and owners that don't follow recommendations, hardly makes it a POS. The rewards of driving Japan's greatest "pure" sportscar are sure worth the miniscule amount of precaution needed to operate and maintain it.
What are you, some dickhead crusader that must warn North America of a limited run model that was brought here for 3 years, over 12 years ago? :rolleyes: Must've gotten your ass handed to you really bad time and time again by those "unreliable" beer kegs on every track/auto-x.
Gather all the cars in your sig and put them up against an FD. Now rev them all to 7500 and keep them there and see which one is left standing. It'll be ok, just takes a bit of time to round up all the piston scraps, then in a jealous rage, come on Prime and post for the umpteenth time how garbage-like the car that wiped your behind really is.
Tsk tsk I guess your venting at me because your RX7 is in the shop and you feel the need to take out your frustration on someone who's cars are actually running. No need to warn NA people who actually bought them new did all the warning that will ever need to be done. Sorry never seen a beer keg running well enough to race. Last one I saw at the track left with trails of oil smoke following it. Third gen RX7's just weren't known for reliability. You can keep calling all the names you want but facts are facts.
It was/is a poorly built vehicle.
The FD has been reliable the last few years I've had it due to a few mods and proper tuning with 91 octane in mind.
What engine number are you on?
[QUOTE=MoreRPMs;786041Rotary engines in the 3rd gen needing a little extra attention, and owners that don't follow recommendations, hardly makes it a POS. The rewards of driving Japan's greatest "pure" sportscar are sure worth the miniscule amount of precaution needed to operate and maintain it.[/QUOTE]
Needing a little extra attention???? They were brand new and failing! Your a fan I can tell by all the name calling and posturing ,but if you were old enough to remember when they were new and how problematic they were/are it had nothing to do with the owners not following recommended service. Guys I knew that had them loved their cars ,but were down right frustrated with the problems they were having. Oh and yes I'm going to continue speaking maturely with you ,because I'm right:biggrin:
heySkippy
03-20-2007, 20:16
The rewards of driving Japan's greatest "pure" sportscar are sure worth the miniscule amount of precaution needed to operate and maintain it.
Ah, good, we're talking about NSXs again!
MoreRPMs
03-20-2007, 20:18
...but if you were old enough to remember when they were new and how problematic they were/are it had nothing to do with the owners not following recommended service.
I'm an original owner (bought new August,'92).
I never raced a 355 but I did race a 360 F1 coupe. Surprised him big time. Din't walk from me. Pre CTSC, w/exhaust, headers, short gears and 4.23 at the time.
Dan Ciezniewzki
03-20-2007, 20:45
from my experience with 355 SPYDERS Im not impressed at all, dont knwo about the GTBs. In runs on back roads in my NSX I handed 355s there asses. On the highway with the T top off I ran with a 360 Spider top down and he had a passenger and he couldnt pull ahead of me at all even over 120
NOW to make it interesting. When Mitch and I didnt full power runs in our NSXs they are even, hes got exhaust and intake. NOW In my Diablo 6.0 in a run from 90-120ish I was not able to pull ahead of his car any. So at least in that range a 97+ or moded pre 97 can still hold its own in that range, may just be cause of my low RPMs in 3rd gear in that range though, but it nice to see a NSX hang with a Lambo :)
I'm an original owner (bought new August,'92).
Then you know these cars have problems and it's not fair to blame lack of care on the owners part. RX7 owners at least none that I've ever met would ever neglect their car! My buddy would wash and wax his in the winter because it got dusty and was fanatical about maintenance ,but that didn't stop him from having problems. People who could afford these cars back then were not punk kids. They were previous RX7 owners and knew the care and maintenance a rotary requires.
Does the fact that almost ALL the transmissions in the CL/TL being bad and needing replacing make them "crap" cars? And those cars are certainly not anything special (like the FD) by any stretch of the imagination; that is, they don't stand out or shine in any form or fashion other than being lame like all the cars in their class.
Rotary engines in the 3rd gen needing a little extra attention, and owners that don't follow recommendations, hardly makes it a POS. The rewards of driving Japan's greatest "pure" sportscar are sure worth the miniscule amount of precaution needed to operate and maintain it.
Good points.
I was looking at a Type S CL a year ago for daily usage and the horror stories of the tranny started to surface.
But one doesn't even have to go there.
How about the NSX snap ring failures. What's the cost on that? Probably more than my engine on my FD.
FD's make more hp/liter from the factory. It's a 1.3 liter engine making 200~hp per liter.
If the NSX was making 600HP on pump gas I would be impress.
My friend's T88 MKIV wasn't even making 450rwhp on pump gas.
Good points.
I was looking at a Type S CL a year ago for daily usage and the horror stories of the tranny started to surface.
But one doesn't even have to go there.
How about the NSX snap ring failures. What's the cost on that? Probably more than my engine on my FD.
FD's make more hp/liter from the factory. It's a 1.3 liter engine making 200~hp per liter.
If the NSX was making 600HP on pump gas I would be impress.
My friend's T88 MKIV wasn't even making 450rwhp on pump gas.
Sigh! why are you comparing NA to FI? FI will almost always be higher. On pump gas the what were the 93-95 RX7's putting down to the rear wheels?
nicholas421
03-21-2007, 11:15
my 355GTS feels faster than my old 3.0 TT (5lbs).. but not by much
Modernceo
03-21-2007, 11:34
Does the fact that almost ALL the transmissions in the CL/TL being bad and needing replacing make them "crap" cars? And those cars are certainly not anything special (like the FD) by any stretch of the imagination; that is, they don't stand out or shine in any form or fashion other than being lame like all the cars in their class.
Rotary engines in the 3rd gen needing a little extra attention, and owners that don't follow recommendations, hardly makes it a POS. The rewards of driving Japan's greatest "pure" sportscar are sure worth the miniscule amount of precaution needed to operate and maintain it.
Jeeesus. Whats with these damn RX7 guys jumping up and down, prancing all around like pink outfit wearing, tiara on the head wearing fairies on our boards ?!
Are there no RX7 boards for these guys to spend time on ?
Dan Ciezniewzki
03-21-2007, 11:52
Jeeesus. Whats with these damn RX7 guys jumping up and down, prancing all around like pink outfit wearing, tiara on the head wearing fairies on our boards ?!
Are there no RX7 boards for these guys to spend time on ?
hahah, not hatin on the Mazda, but everytime I check this thread thats what I think.
GET OFF THE RX7 stuff, talk about NSX's. Or start a RX7 thread :smile:
SGMongoose
03-21-2007, 13:08
Good points.
I was looking at a Type S CL a year ago for daily usage and the horror stories of the tranny started to surface.
you know those failures were only a small precentage of all the ka5mt.
but anyway, rx-7 look sexy so all you need is an LS1 in there to get rid of the weak link
Jeeesus. Whats with these damn RX7 guys jumping up and down, prancing all around like pink outfit wearing, tiara on the head wearing fairies on our boards ?!
Are there no RX7 boards for these guys to spend time on ?I think it's funny whenever owners of some inferior car model are so insecure that they come here to harass NSX owners. They're not happy enough with their own car - with RX-7 owners, probably because it's in the shop getting yet another engine replacement - so they come here to get some pathetic pleasure out of making ludicrous boasts. It happens every so often with owners of MR-2s and even Civics, and now RX-7s. It's obvious their cars don't give them enough pleasure to be happy enough posting on their own boards. :D
Modernceo
03-21-2007, 14:50
Can we start a thread, we'll just call it the RX7 thread, that all Rx7 mentions, topics, problems, etc, RX7 fanatics can post in. Then, we will for the most part we'll never read that specific thread, so we can go back to spending time reading about what Nsxprime.com is about !! NSX's !!
Can we start a thread, we'll just call it the RX7 thread, that all Rx7 mentions, topics, problems, etc, RX7 fanatics can post in. Then, we will for the most part we'll never read that specific thread, so we can go back to spending time reading about what Nsxprime.com is about !! NSX's !!
We already have that thread. I recently unsubscribed.
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45175
Dan Ciezniewzki
03-21-2007, 15:23
We already have that thread. I recently unsubscribed.
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45175
man I couldnt stand to even read half of the first page of that thread :frown:
MoreRPMs
03-21-2007, 19:21
I think it's funny whenever owners of some inferior car model are so insecure that they come here to harass NSX owners. Blah blah bs bs blah blah blah
Answer the Honda transmision issue that was posted yesterday, Mr.Avoidance.
For those going ballistic about why the FD is brought up...it's because in almost all performance parameters the half as expensive car wins all. To those same people: don't constantly lambaste an object because your cousin's buddy's uncle had a friend with one, and you personally had no experience with, or never even sat in one.
PS I've been reading this board for over 6 years, I like and respect the model greatly, and the only harassment that occurs is some NSX owners, who think their car is the be all end all, slaying all comers verbally. Not on tracks/auto-Xs mind you. Sometimes a dose of reality is all they need :biggrin: ...in a little friendly debate. Is that not what enthusiast boards are for, afterall?
Prior to even being an owner of a NSX, I've always agreed that it's one of the best, if not the best all around 2-seater sports car when u mesh:
Luxury
Ease of use
MPG
Reliability
Looks
Performance
The Supra TT was another car that I was considering based on numbers, but it looks like a jelly bean with a handlebar.
Both cars seem to take styling cues from the F40.
Both cars are reliable, but the Supra has the stronger engine with more TQ and greater power potential than the NSX. It's the car to avoid on freeway racing.
RX7 has everything down, but the engine's vomiting habits with poor tuning and low octane gas. It's a good looking car that performs well.
Ski_Banker
03-21-2007, 19:40
So, let me get this straight:
-You raced an F355 in an NSX
-It was a piece of crap with a busted engine (like most of them)
-Your snap ring stayed in tact for the encounter
-A stranded motorist with an automatic TL witnessed the battle
-And finally, you emerged victorious because the other guy DNF'd
Congrats on the big win! :tongue:
Jeeesus. Whats with these damn RX7 guys jumping up and down, prancing all around like pink outfit wearing, tiara on the head wearing fairies on our boards ?!
Because they are:
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k226/redmeansgorocks/DoucheBag.jpg
Are there no RX7 boards for these guys to spend time on ?
+1
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Answer the Honda transmision issue that was posted yesterdayThe issue about other models that have nothing to do with the NSX? Maybe we should talk about all the troubleshooting problems of the Mazda 323, too! :rolleyes:
Mr.Avoidance.I will remind you that personal attacks and insults are not permitted on these forums, according to the terms to which you agreed when you signed up.
For those going ballistic about why the FD is brought up...it's because in almost all performance parameters the half as expensive car wins all.WRONG. In all the test procedures run by all the magazine articles except one, the NSX beat the third-gen RX-7, usually by about .3-.4 second in both 0-60 and 1/4 mile. Sure, you can modify an RX-7 to make it faster, but you can modify any car to make it faster than any other car.
.......In all the test procedures run by all the magazine articles except one, the NSX beat the third-gen RX-7, usually by about .3-.4 second in both 0-60 and 1/4 mile. Sure, you can modify an RX-7 to make it faster, but you can modify any car to make it faster than any other car.
I'm assuming that this was the "one."
http://www.theforumlounge.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2007&stc=1&d=1172615280
http://www.theforumlounge.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2007&stc=1&d=1172615280
MoreRPMs
03-22-2007, 19:34
The issue about other models that have nothing to do with the NSX? Maybe we should talk about all the troubleshooting problems of the Mazda 323, too! :rolleyes:
No, the issue being what is considered a piece of $hit (your words about the FD). If (using your math) say that less than 1% of Japanese car transmissions are likely to fail, then if the 2nd gen TL/CL have a 75% rate, what does that make them? The FD has a performance track record second to none relative to the NSX and just about every production car out there. If it's such a "crap" car, why does it happen to stand out in such a big way (something the TLs/CLs do zilch, even in their mundane classes)?
I will remind you that personal attacks and insults are not permitted on these forums What are you, a second grader with nary a grasp of the english language- since when is that word anywhere near an insult?!
WRONG. In all the test procedures run by all the magazine articles except one, the NSX beat the third-gen RX-7, usually by about .3-.4 second in both 0-60 and 1/4 mile.
You bring up ONE statistic....straightline speed. Which according to 1/2 the published times the NSX barely edges the less-torquey/less hp rotary.
We've been through this before, and there's not one U.S. car test where the NSX even came close to the 7 in cornering Gs and slalom. The few track times that have been published always had the FD over the Honda; even the motor trend test referenced here, if you read the text they said that out of 2 editors' track times the Mazda finished 1st in one, Supra in the other. Further adding that if the straightaway was shorter the RX would've easily won both.
Meaning what? That the "crap" car which only seems to run a quarter of the time :rolleyes: dominates.
You don't live under a rock I take it, and you must've seen the numbers over the years time and time again, heard about the national auto-x results, why live in vehement and jealous denial?
What are you, a second grader with nary a grasp of the english language- since when is that word anywhere near an insult?!
Well don't forget you called me a "dickhead crusader" which sucks because now everyone will know my secret identity. Batmans named me "arrogant jerk" which I liked better as it's more sophisticated and rolls off the tongue better at partys:biggrin:
You RX7 guys sure are fiesty:wink:
Ski_Banker
03-22-2007, 20:31
Batmans named me "arrogant jerk" which I liked better as it's more sophisticated and rolls off the tongue better at partys:biggrin:
LOL! I might have to use this quote, mind if I keep it in my back pocket? How's your 2004 NSX value holding up, anyway Wingz? :wink: :biggrin:
LOL! I might have to use this quote, mind if I keep it in my back pocket? How's your 2004 NSX value holding up, anyway Wingz? :wink: :biggrin:
Go ahead I'm sure the RX7 boys will keep'em comin:biggrin:
Uh I guess it's okay I've never checked. Did you sell your 05? what happened to the hot babes in your sig?
Ski_Banker
03-22-2007, 20:56
Uh I guess it's okay I've never checked. Did you sell your 05? what happened to the hot babes in your sig?
No chance! Was in reference to this thread. I can PM a syllabus to anyone interested. :wink:
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85006
The hot babes - or EBITs as I call 'em - didn't appreciate their pics being blasted 'round the world (2.24x per day). When they showed up at my door, holding hands and looking a little angry, I respectfully invited them in and took down the ...uh...pics. :biggrin:
No chance! Was in reference to this thread. I can PM a syllabus to anyone interested. :wink:
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85006
The hot babes - or EBITs as I call 'em - didn't appreciate their pics being blasted 'round the world (2.24x per day). When they showed up at my door, holding hands and looking a little angry, I respectfully invited them in and took down the ...uh...pics. :biggrin:
You posted in the wrong thread again..LOL oh well at least you didn't tell anybody off this time.
Did you get them to kiss each other for your compliance in this matter? Ahem in front of the uh "hidden camera":wink:
Ski_Banker
03-22-2007, 21:13
Haha no I didn't. Still early though! That thread is where I delicately, tenderly, introduce Little BrahtW8 to the concept of capitalism (he's a lawyer, so I understand it might have been hard on the little tyke).
Did they kiss? Dude... if Brahtworst was here for the spectacle, I would've shielded his curious little eyes from the adult content!
highway, straight away, side ways, canyon way, anyway. supra owned nsx and rx7.:biggrin:
she aint just a drag car. she handles too.:tongue:
The FD... why we getting off track on the FD? If this aint a FD forum...
FD's need apexi seal changed every 50K like clock work. Its expensive and not too many people can do it right.
its end of topic. I dont have a FD because i dont want to take the time to learn to rebuild a spinning time bomb. Walk through does not look hard at all.
Bottom line is, this is not a FD forum, apexi seals go out like clock work and if you own one you either have to
A) have lots of $ for those rebuilds
B) have lots of good luck with those rebuilds. I got a buddy right now who just had a rebuid and that baby leaks oil like they where handing it out.
c) know how to replace apexi seals.
Also those engines are not very efficient at all. Bad gas milage, eats oil, even the RX8 sucks. Advertised at 24 MPG 240HP but i never got mine past 16-17MPG going 65 mph and it eats a quart of oil every 1000 miles.
+ we got one on the dyno and it only put 130HP and 130TORque down.
Its a complete switch and bait car. I had a RX8. I sold it with in 2 month cause it sucked.:biggrin:
isnt the topic 355 vs NSX? i dont see FD or rx7 in there.
is this post really 7 years old?:eek: wow
I wonder when these RX7 folks will consider their mission accomplished here on NSXPRIME and move on to the Corvette, Ferrari, Lotus, Viper etc., forums to troll. :rolleyes:
Back on topic please.
Deltron Zero
03-23-2007, 09:51
i really just revived this post as a joke. i was looking for the oldest post i could find. what was i thinking?
heathbar0
03-23-2007, 12:53
No, the fact is, it's a crap car.
Thats a broad statment.
I liked my RX-7 until i crashed it. I did have my engine replaced, Why? Because the car would stall when I had the AC on and the Techs did not know what to do to fix it. When I was told the engine was going to be replaced the service manager pulled me into his office and told me the reason was Mazda sent this car that was too technically advanced and Mazdas techs could not come up with reasons for problems, so lets replace the engine and see what happens...Car still staled afterwards.
The car was awsome, especially for a 23 year old.
12 years later I still look at them and beleive I will have one again, sitting next to my NSX.
The RX-7 is not a peice of crap.
It is a very unique car with a unique motor, great preformance, great looks, cool stereo, etc.
Those who want to bash me... I have an NSX not a RX-7 in my garage.
bash bash! :tongue:
a dog no matter how ugly, still has an owner that loves it. I think the issue is not that FD's sucks or not, but rather posting and flaming on an NSX forum, about rx7 out of context is getting old.
Nice car, some inmature owners.
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