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http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=161630
Speaking purely from a design standpoint...I'll take one.
:eek: I Love it......the front end is beautiful........any pix for the rear?
never mind......here are more pix
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=162105
Please Honda, let it be so. Oh man, I'm selling all my stocks if this is true. Wow, it looks hot!!!
Interesting. HSC= hybrid sports car?
Or maybe High performance Sports Coupe. This rumor seems more credible. More!
NetViper
10-14-2003, 19:05
WOW WOW WOW!!!! AMAZING.
Brian2by2
10-14-2003, 19:05
<Homer Simpson drool> Ahhhhhhgggggghhhhhhhh HSC Concept </Homer Simpson drool>
WHAT A BEAUTIFUL CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NetViper
10-14-2003, 19:11
I don't see a shifter... so it must be paddles...
THis is no hybrid... read:
"In the press release for the show, the Honda HSC Concept is dubbed as a high performance sport coupe which "offers the driving pleasure of a sports car in a package that anyone can handle." From the photo that's been released, it bears a strong resemblance to the many "spy shots" and artists renderings of the expected replacement for the NSX. "
The car next to it on the front page there is the Hybrid.
"Honda will present its ideas for the future in a lineup of intriguing concept vehicles: the HSC which offers the driving pleasure of a sports car in a package that anyone can handle; the IMAS, a lightweight aerodynamic hybrid sports car; and KIWAMI, which matches Honda's clean-running fuel cell technology with the Japanese aesthetic of beauty in a premium next-generation sedan."
NetViper
10-14-2003, 19:12
http://sohc.vtec.net/news_files/162105/03tms_hsc2_tov.jpg
Aren't Honda concepts usually good indicators of future products. See the TL concept at the NY International Auto Show. It was basically the 2004 TL w/o interior done yet.
All I know is that this car has the exterior/interior look to it and I am sure Honda has something up there sleeves for performance. Wow, if this is what we have been waiting for for so long, then I am glad we waited. All right Honda, shock the world again.
The front and the canpy(b pillar area) looks like a mix of current NSX and the ENZO while the back looks abit like a mix between the ENZO, Konisegg CC, and F355... the interior looks tight. Looks pretty good to me. :D
Holy Mackrel!!!:eek: That looks fantastic. I want 2 now!!
OMG! That is the sickest thing Honda has come out with in a lonnng time..Say since the NSX was introduced. I think this is a seller--what a beauty. I'll take two please:D
ravi
And what kind of opening door system do you think this car will use? :)
Simply amazing! I knew Honda wouldn't let us down!!!
I love the front end, though the rear looks a little overstyled. I think there's just a few too many circles back there, but I guess it'll probably be toned down a bit in the final design. The interior looks incredible.
I especially like how they managed to give it a very new, futuristic look while still keeping it similar enough to the current design that it's instantly recognisable as an NSX (even if it doesn't end up being called an NSX).
Now let's just hope the performance can live up to the looks!
Now I know what car I'll be handing over to my newborn son when he gets old enough :D I was thinking my 92 would be almost 30 years old by the time he can drive so that car would be out.
I still like the current design, but I also like this supposed concent as well. I guess I have to start saving so I can buy a used one in 10 years :p Well, it depends on the cost of course but I'm guessing close to $100K.
<== quickly forgetting the 500rwhp turbos and now looking into home equity loans. Hope it's around the same price as a new one. ;)
I'm seriously hoping this is the real deal. I love it. Even the wife says we should get one. Jeez, I love it!:D
Originally posted by ChrisK
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I was thinking my 92 would be almost 30 years old by the time he can drive so that car would be out.
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Psshhh... 30 year honda is a car just out of its teens... your 92 would be good for your son to hand to your grandson... :D
This super looking vehicle is due out when?
tmeekins
10-14-2003, 20:23
Oh My!!!
Time.. to ... start ... saving ... $$$$$$
Rubber Chicken
10-14-2003, 20:23
Originally posted by effer
And what kind of opening door system do you think this car will use? :)
Yeah you can definitely see that there is a possibility for some kind of Mclaren or Diablo door type system. The handle is at the top of the car, and that would seem awkward for a normal swing open if you ask me... it'd only make sense to open upward.
Originally posted by AndyH
:eek: I Love it......the front end is beautiful........any pix for the rear? Hows about http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/rixnsx/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/03tms.jpg http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/rixnsx/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/03tms03.jpg http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/rixnsx/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/03tms02.jpg
Dennis in SE PA
10-14-2003, 20:32
I Like it! :)
ItsBettrThatWay
10-14-2003, 20:35
Looks fantastic. But I still wish they would somehow have an intergrated rear spoiler...My favorite part :(
Looks like the paddle shifter rumor might have some truth to it, theres no shifter in the interior pic.;)
Seats are ready for 5-points. That's a whole lot more important to me than a non-functional spoiler.
Hi
I read at vtec.net that somebody mention that the picture have been altered in the front where it is black.
You see a normal "fence" on the left side and "Photoshop black" on the right side.
On Vtec.net they ask if there is a electric motor inside there?
Who knows.
I like the front, but not sure about the back yet...but okey I take two..:)
regards
I just had my dealer put my name on the list for this car. She will attempt to get me some more info. She thinks it will be either a spring or fall '04 release.
Actual pics. Uh yeah, I'm excited.
http://www.honda-acura.net/news/images/hsc2.jpg
http://www.honda-acura.net/news/images/hsc4.jpg
ItsBettrThatWay
10-14-2003, 20:54
*edit
crap, beaten!
NetViper
10-14-2003, 21:01
I cant tell what kind of engine that is.... 6? 8? anyone?
I love it! Is there a real pic of the back??
3 humps on the valve cover, I'd say it was a six. By the looks of it, its a big six though:D
Glad I waited on the headlight conversion. I wanna be first in line to put those babies on my NSX.;) Much better looking!
Viper Driver
10-14-2003, 21:04
That's looking like a V6 under the hood.
What's up with the tiny mirrors? Is Honda going with closed-circuit cameras in their place?
I just came from my garage and my NSX to view these pictures. There are so many obvious similarities that carry forward from the "old" car that I can't help but think that this is the new NSX.
I really like the rear end, actually. The sides where the windows and the doors are don't really do it for me, though. The front end is decent, I guess. Sort of plain front and sides.....not really radical enough IMHO.
JoeSchmoe
10-14-2003, 21:05
Originally posted by Rubber Chicken
Yeah you can definitely see that there is a possibility for some kind of Mclaren or Diablo door type system. The handle is at the top of the car, and that would seem awkward for a normal swing open if you ask me... it'd only make sense to open upward.
I think it is unlikely. Take a close look at this picture:
http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/rixnsx/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/03tms03.jpg
You can clearly see the weather strip cover the top of the door like in the current NSX. If the door were to swing upwards, it would likely strike the big bulge in the upper right portion of the picture. Also note the roofline on the opposite side (right side) is continuous and there are no cutouts for a gullwing like on the Mclaren.
Im guessing that the handle looks higher because the roofline is going to be 1-2" lower.
Originally posted by Viper Driver
That's looking like a V6 under the hood.
What's up with the tiny mirrors? Is Honda going with closed-circuit cameras in their place?
I saw a show on Honda concept cars not too long ago(dont remember what show it was) and all of them used cameras in place of mirrors. Very trick. I think even the TL concept had them.
Originally posted by Ponyboy
Actual pics. Uh yeah, I'm excited.
http://www.honda-acura.net/news/images/hsc2.jpg
The passenger door is open in this pic and yes it looks like it goes up somehow!!:eek:
shiftright2
10-14-2003, 21:12
keep my current original NSX as well. The garage is already longing for this beast from the East. Go Honda!!
and
Gimme it now!:eek: :D :eek:
Our NSX is too good a car and Honda too proud a company to not have followed the original with another slam dunk.........
nicholas421
10-14-2003, 21:18
i think it looks too much like a modena and an enzo. i wish honda would come up with a completely unpresedented style.
those "suv spinners" have got to go.
i don't see any benefits in having a door swing up diagonally.
having said that... where do i sign? i want one.
apeltier
10-14-2003, 21:23
That is absolutely awesome. An NSX with some Enzo thrown in. Oh man, this better than I could have ever hoped. Honda rocks!! My mind is completely shot. I can't think of anything except for how to get one of these in my garage.
tochigidream
10-14-2003, 21:24
I lovvvvvvve the front, although I still think they should make a more exciting version of the CURRENT rear end. How great is this?!!! Mmmm, mmmmmm!
hey apeltier,
Your signature is longer then your post. You may want to shorten it :)
apeltier
10-14-2003, 21:37
Thanks. You're right. It looks pretty idiotic.
Let's see if this is better.
Alan
Yeah, the car looks okay, but I would need to change the wheels.
-FurryNSX (aka Teddy Bear King)
All kidding aside, that car rocks!!! Up until this point, all speculation and concept drawings of what a next gen NSX was like generally didn't inspire me.
This one does!!!!!!
I never thought I would say this, but if this is what the next gen NSX is like, I may need to move on from my current 95.
If it ends up being some other entirely different car, I may end up having a completely new favorite car.
-Randy
I hope they still call it NSX. I hated when they killed the CRX for the Hans Del Solo. Just think it would be HSCPrime, sounds like a bank website:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
NSXDreamer2
10-14-2003, 21:43
If this indeed will show up as a 2005 model, I don't think there's anybody want to have a 04'... and for all those people who was asking if he/she should wait for the new Nsx??
A BIG DEFINATELY YES!!!
However, as I looking at the picture with ours (current nsx, even NA1) I don't feel it's outdated... Honda did a very good job...
By all means, bring it to US... I'm ready for getting a third job to get this car.... :D
that is stunning!
very enzo-ish, back could be smoothened out like the front and sides (back is too busy).
interior is awesome!
I may need to keep my current NSX as well as getting the HSC. From the pics, I thint it is a coupe and not a targa.
That being said, I will need a bigger garage.
maomaonsx
10-14-2003, 21:49
OK, I like pretty much like all of it, but the tail is waaay ugly. I don't like the staright-down angle like a corvette, or the big gaps on the bumper. There is gotta be a better way to do that area. My favorite part is the flowing line that runs from the front wings to the rear wings, very nice and unique. I also like the bubble headlights. Interior seems too busy, too much protruding elements. The car does look very Japanese, and looks like a good interpretation of a modern NSX.
Originally posted by NSXDreamer2
If this indeed will show up as a 2005 model, I don't think there's anybody want to have a 04'... and for all those people who was asking if he/she should wait for the new Nsx??
A BIG DEFINATELY YES!!!
I won't be doing any mods for sure, I'll save that money for the 05. Wonder what will happen to the value of the first generation NSX after this one is launched? :eek:
NetViper
10-14-2003, 21:57
From Vtec via response.jp
"Next term ' NSX ' concept model ' HSC ' = high speed concept of HONDA which is called the study. Enjoyment of impression and the sport car which work the machine unrestrictedly is delivered to all people, you say that is basic idea. You can call the dimension, total length 4250mm× full 1900mm× total height 1140mm those of the super car just, but it is thought as the thing where also the easy drive characteristic that is seriously considered it can be worked on the one hand by anyone. The engine of HSC is similar V6 horizontal ranging to existence NSX, but the aerodynamic volume displacement is expanded by 3.5 liters, also the highest output is the possibility that it becomes 300ps over. Shift has with the dial system which makes fast speed change possible, in the steering wheel like the racing car the paddle shift switch. As for suspension with the front and back double wishbone, from current type as for dimension of amount and the rear suspension where car width spreads it seems that is improved substantially. As for the interior with modern ones which use material such as carbon and colored aluminum, to be tend nostalgic production is thin in the model of this kind. As for HSC is not the case that it is marketed with the that way form, but with exhibition of the same car, the expectation to next term NSX appearance you probably can say that it increased greatly, "
I must say.. if it only has 300HP, it will be a flop.. even with the great looks. A 3.5L needs AT LEAST 350HP with today's technology.
I still personally think a car this great looking should have the HP to back it up... i mean something like 450 or more.
Maybe they will make a turbo option?? That would be good. Works for Porsche.
Agreed. Unless it weighs 2500lbs or something close to that. But in general I think, a 300hp car is not going to cut it.
Anyone familiar with the Tokyo Car Show?
I am curious if Honda typically releases tentative performance numbers for their cars on display. I'm quite anxious to see the details on the engine's vital statistics.
NSXDreamer2
10-14-2003, 22:11
Wait a minute, viper, you don't know the weight yet... If they indeed have a totally new V6 for the HSC which is really really feather weight... and also a lighter chassis and accesaries... 300 hp range is cool (say it's somewhere around 350hp.)
if it's a study of bring enjoyment of High speed to ALL people, light weight or heavy weight with huge hp figures and lots of driver's aid gizmo ( eh... like all those AMG monster??) were the only way to go. Next nsx or this HSC would not going to the later evil way for sure. Not Honda.
The canopy sure looks like the DualNote.
ItsBettrThatWay
10-14-2003, 22:19
I highly highly doubt it will just be 300hp. Thats not even as big of a jump from the 96-97, and as much as people complain about not enough power, it would be rediculoud to bump it up only 10hp.......Honda isnt that slow to catch on(hopefully)
Considering the TL is 270 HP; I'm sure the next gen NSX will be at least in the 340 HP range.
Bulldozer27
10-14-2003, 22:30
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Anyone got a kleenex?
I love the rear end of that car! It oozes that intangible exotic look that is easy to talk about but difficult to produce.
I also like the fact that the engine is not covered by the hatch glass.
On the power topic, I believe there is about 0% chance the horsepower will be only 300. Especially if the displacement is larger. In 97, the NSX received a 20 hp bump with an additional .2 liters..... that was with limited modifications aside from the bore. Fast forward 7 years, you have to believe that honda can do better than that with .3 liters additional displacement. The idea that it would only bump up by 10 is hard to swallow. Now if 300 was a conservative estimate at the wheels, then it is more plausible.
If this isn't the next NSX, this is the best hoax yet. So many design elements seem right in character with the spirit of the car,
including homage to contemporary Ferraris- 360 up front, Enzo in the canopy and tail. The tail looks like it generates massive downforce with the undertray. The interior is gorgeous, the lack of sideview mirrors reminds me of the TL concept. Boys, I think this one is it!
That is a gorgeous design. Very cool. :D
I was expecting a flop for the next NSX. I thought Honda had lost touch keeping it around for so long and ending with the redesign.
The rear looks like a jet with the afterburners on. The overall design of the rear takes some getting used to, but I am very intrigued by this car.
The chromes have to go.
From the picture, the door seems to have a double hinge, that swings away from the body and then up.
As for the engine, it looks like a V6, but you can't really see if the engine extends for another two cylinder behind that cover.
I expect a 350+ hp 3.5 liter V6 with around 2800 lbs of weight.
Wouldn't it be great to have the original and the new one side by side in your garage? Who's with me?
I also want to do that with the BMW M5, but they are working on #4 now (#5 if you count the E12 M535i) and I have yet get #1, 2 or 3. :(
Good, not great, exercise in design. The front end does not flow well as it has too much of a square-block design, not tapered enough; and the cow catcher in the front end is not that smooth a look. Side profile and rear end are excellent, as is the canopy. Honda can still do a better, more unique, design, I believe. All said, I'd buy it in a heartbeat; which leads to the next question of the projected price point for this type of vehicle?:cool:
whiteNSXs
10-14-2003, 23:30
This car looks awesome! I just spent a ton of money on my new CTSC and now this!!!! Should have just used the money towards the down payment of this beauty. Wait a minute! The seat and the buttons are down right NSX's. And where is the shifter? It is a F1 transmission!!!
Steve :mad:
Okay, this is my next car! This car looks awsome! :eek:
supergreen125
10-14-2003, 23:38
<- has begun saving his pennies.
I agree 100%. Still, if it ends up with 450HP I could live with the new rear end. :D
Originally posted by blown1981
I lovvvvvvve the front, although I still think they should make a more exciting version of the CURRENT rear end. How great is this?!!! Mmmm, mmmmmm!
RP-Motorsports
10-14-2003, 23:40
Honda usually does not wander too far from a concept to reality. With that said, I just bought a bigger piggy bank, and inserted some money tonight! :)
That is what is nice about Honda. They produce something that is so far ahead of the competition (Insight, Odyssey, ITR, GSR, NSX, CRX) that when the competition catches up, and even passes by for a short time. Just when the doubting starts, Honda slaps you in the face and says oh yeah well check this out!
Please oh please let the next NSX (HSC) be remotely as cool as this concept.
Mr. Shigeru Uehara the Senior chief Engineer for Honda has been listening to us current NSX owners!!!
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=20361&perpage=50&highlight=nsx%20creator&pagenumber=1
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20294&highlight=nsx+creator
Now Make the Next NSX : (Doug Hayashi's Suggestions)
Sound and Excitement of a Ferrari (F355 sound)
Power and Handling of Porsche GT3 (light weight NA 6 cylinders)
Reliability of a Honda
Rubber Chicken
10-15-2003, 00:11
Originally posted by JoeSchmoe
I think it is unlikely. Take a close look at this picture:
You can clearly see the weather strip cover the top of the door like in the current NSX. If the door were to swing upwards, it would likely strike the big bulge in the upper right portion of the picture. Also note the roofline on the opposite side (right side) is continuous and there are no cutouts for a gullwing like on the Mclaren.
Im guessing that the handle looks higher because the roofline is going to be 1-2" lower.
Well I guess that answers that question.
http://www.honda-acura.net/news/images/hsc2.jpg
Mclaren isn't quite a gullwing, The Delorean is a true gullwing. And that old Mercedes Benz, I forget the name off the top of my head. The Mclaren is hinged at the corner towards the front, not at the top. Anyways, its pretty clear from the picture that the door opens upwards in some fashion. Lets hope that makes it to production. :D
NetViper
10-15-2003, 00:17
I want to see more photos of the real car... this is just so exciting!
NetViper
10-15-2003, 00:20
Originally posted by gomaidy
Sound and Excitement of a Ferrari (F355 sound)
Power and Handling of Porsche GT3 (light weight NA 6 cylinders)
Reliability of a Honda
If this car has the same HP as the GT3.. I think I could be happy with it. 380HP, 0-60 in 4.0 and 1/4 in 12.3 @ 118. Those are very respectable numbers.
If on the other hand it only has 300HP, does 0-60 in 4.5 and 1/4 in 12.9 at 110... it would not be impressive at all..
We have to at least beat a Mercedes E55 in a straight line!!
Osiris_x11
10-15-2003, 00:21
hmmm... Any mention of this concept car's body-panels/chassis: aluminum or steel or else...? :confused:
[If I missed it in a previous post, all apologies- this thread is on fire...] :o
Oh yea, hehe: where's the black-canopy roof...!?!;)
AND... anyone else feeling a bit light-headed...:p
NetViper
10-15-2003, 00:23
I haven't seen any mention of body materials...
EZCOMPANY
10-15-2003, 00:24
Oh Man, the excitement.....it reminds me 13 yrs ago when I first saw the NSX. Beautiful Car!!!
Guess it's time to take up the 2nd mortgage....
Byron
Well after carefully looking at the pictures and then looking at some of the new information presented I must say that Honda should pat themselves on the back. The design from even just an aesthetic standpoint is simply breath-taking. This, my friends, is really exotic. The headlights remind me instantly of the ENZO, and they seem to be HID stock. The two front air ducts seem to be typical of today's modern sports car, C6, Modena, etc. The side profile screams ENZO to me, it really has that fighter jet look to it.
From the rear, this looks like a Pagani Zonda C12s, another beautiful car.
Therefore when looked at in the grand scheme of things, Honda has done it again. :D The price I guess seems to be worth it even if set at $100,000. I don't know about you guys, but I would rather buy two of these than buy a Murcielago. :rolleyes: Seriously, even at 300hp I would be content. If i look at it carefully I think that price will actually be much higher--true exotic pricing. When something looks the part (and the HSC sure does) I'm sure it will come with that exotic price. $100k is exotic, but you guys know what I mean. $100k is still quite an approachable and attractive price.
This is a bittersweet moment for me--being on the virge of the latest and the greatest, yet going for old technology. I am still in the market for my NSX, but with this new model releasing I'm beginning to feel like it will just be old news. I also wonder what kind of hit on depreciation the X will take because of this new model. I know in the case of the Vipers, prices haven't seemed to fluctuate terribly after the SRT-10 release.
Everything looks awesome and I think Honda has hit the nail on the head one more time. My only contention is that the NSX name should have stayed. It's just so much more agressive and sexy.
NSX forever,
ravi :cool:
NetViper
10-15-2003, 00:31
Originally posted by STOCKTONSX
$100k is exotic, but you guys know what I mean. $100k is still quite an approachable and attractive price.
I also wonder what kind of hit on depreciation the X will take because of this new model. :
If this car comes out with a pricetag of 100K, i dont think we will see a lot of depreciation with the old cars.. just my thoughts..
You know, this may sound strange, but when I first saw these pics it almost felt like I was seeing the first photographic evidence of alien life: There have been so many hoaxes, so many false leads, I thought I would never actually see the real thing. Then there it was, right there in front of me.
I can't put into words how excited I am that this car is going to happen, even with the fact that I won't be able to afford it anytime soon. It almost brings a tear to my eye that Honda really HAS been working on the new NSX, after all this speculation about the car being discontinued after 2004 & whatnot. Long live the NSX!!!
vegasnsx
10-15-2003, 01:20
WOW, so much for any mods on my nsx, that car is just simply amazing! 360 Modena for sale!
Originally posted by cxr344
You know, this may sound strange, but when I first saw these pics it almost felt like I was seeing the first photographic evidence of alien life: There have been so many hoaxes, so many false leads, I thought I would never actually see the real thing. Then there it was, right there in front of me.
I can't put into words how excited I am that this car is going to happen, even with the fact that I won't be able to afford it anytime soon. It almost brings a tear to my eye that Honda really HAS been working on the new NSX, after all this speculation about the car being discontinued after 2004 & whatnot. Long live the NSX!!!
I had the same experience. I expect many others did as well.
Notice how much the front and rear overhangs have been trimmed. Esp the rear. It will be interesting to see how the trunk has been relocated or reduced.
It could be that with the reductions in the front and rear that we're looking at a 2800 lb car.
Also of interest, notice the beam in the center of the roof panel (as seen from the interior shot). This is interesting.
It may be that there's a stiffening structure there and that the removable roof panel (assumed) would go over top the center beam. While it wouldn't offer quite an open view, it would make for a more rigid and potentially lighter car. Maybe less than 2800.
A 400 hp 3.5 V6 in a 2700 lb car with that styling would be awfully appealing.
I may not have to purchase that Ford GT afterall.
:D
-Jim
NSX UNITED
10-15-2003, 01:46
This beauty has to be the next NSX. Call me heavily biased but I really haven't seen another car design that gives me the thrill of the (current) NSX until now. The look of the HSC is earning its right to be an NSX replacement. This car is sooooooo drop dead gorgeous.
Man, I suddenly feel a lot poorer. How am I gonna afford one of these babies? I already know I'm going to buy one now that the thing is DROP DEAD GORGEOUS!! The Gallardo just met its visual match.
Bulldozer27
10-15-2003, 02:34
Would it be possible for someone with more than my limited computer abilities to Paintshop a Spa Yellow version of this car?
Tom Larkins
10-15-2003, 02:34
Can we have someone on Prime contact someone in Japan to get us more detailed info from the show. Hook some brothers up!!!
It looks pretty good, although rear is somewhat bizare. I guess i'm gonna wait on the new Benz and call the Acura dealer tomorrow.
I understand that Honda personnel visit this forum quite regularly... With that in mind, I hope if this is indeed the next gen NSX, Honda should keep the name NSX. Sounds more apealing than HSC.
NSX!!!
Now for the hardest part, the waiting game...
Here is the bablefish translation of this page. From this it appears it has a 3.5 V6 with paddle shifters. Can anyone here do a better translation?
http://response.jp/issue/2003/1015/article54442_1.html
October 15 of 2003 day
The next term 'NSX' concept model 'HSC' = high speed * concept of HONDA which is called the study. Enjoyment of impression and the sport car which work the machine unrestrictedly is reported to all people, you say is basic idea.
You can call the dimension, total length 4250mm× full 1900mm× total height 1140mm those of the super car just, but it is thought as the thing where also the easy drive characteristic that is seriously considered it can be worked on one hand by anyone.
The engine of the HSC is similar V6 horizontal ranging to the current NSX, but the aerodynamic volume displacement is expanded by 3.5 liters, also the highest output is the possibility that it becomes the 300ps over. Shift has with the dial system which makes fast speed change possible, in the steering wheel like the racing car the paddle shift switch. As for suspension with the front and back double wishbone, from current type as for dimension of amount and the rear suspension where car width spreads it seems that is improved substantially.
As for the interior with modern ones which use material such as carbon and colored aluminum, to be tend nostalgic production is thin in the model of this kind. As for the HSC is not the case that it is marketed with the that way form, but with exhibition of the same car, the expectation impression to next term NSX appearance you probably can say it increased greatly.
PoohBEAR
10-15-2003, 03:26
where is the door handle and the gas tank lid? :D
Gas lid is visible in at least 2 pictures on the first page (may be hard to see if you're using an LCD monitor, though). It's in the normal location on the rear fender.
I'm not sure about the handle - good catch. Maybe there's a switch in the dark area near the top-rear part of the side window.
ItsBettrThatWay
10-15-2003, 04:06
I hope its like the doors on the Koenigsegg. If anyone has seen the video of that car, they know what Im talking about. Coolest doors ever on a car.
Its called it someting crazy like dihedro synchrohelix acuation doors.
It keeps some of the old and reshapes for the future. I knew that Honda wouldn't let us down.
Since they have done such a great job on the outside, I'm sure they won't disapoint us with the performance.
I would expect low 4's to 60 and 11 to 12's in the 1/4. I am sure it will fit with other supper cars today like it did 10 years ago.
I was thinking of an 03, but will be waiting for the new one now.:) :) :)
What about the NSX's trademark legacy design cues? Ill bet that the production version of the NextGen, if based on the HSC, will have side scoops and a wing like the current generation.
Man... i'm away for two weeks, and when i come back Honda has released a new NSX!!! Just my luck!!!
It doesn't look bad at all... though I will miss the integrated spoiler. Let's wait and see what the specs bring... joy or sorrow...
Originally posted by FuryNSX
Yeah, the car looks okay, but I would need to change the wheels.
-FurryNSX (aka Teddy Bear King)
<B> Honda has announced a special edition : FURRY HSC...</B>
Heheheh... with special hood ornament. ;)
:D :D :D :D
Originally posted by NeoNSX
<B> Honda has announced a special edition : FURRY HSC...</B>
Heheheh... with special hood ornament. ;)
:D :D :D :D
Oh yeah!!! I'm diggin' it now!!! ;)
Aiken Drum
10-15-2003, 05:07
I can't believe nobody else seems to think that everything from the steering wheel back is ugly.
Give me a straight-up B-pillar please, none of this swishy stuff, I don't care if you want it to look like an Enzo, it looks ugly on an Enzo too.
Oh, and if I wanted the ass-end of a Corvette, I'd buy a Corvette, and likely for half the price and better performance.
I mean, really, can't anyone at Honda design an original second-gen NSX? This thing is totally and utterly derivative of an Enzo, an NSX, and a Corvette, and not very much of the NSX I might add. There must not have been any cars they liked the side view of, because the doors are generically bland.
Oh well, at least when they copied the Enzo part they were aiming high instead of low.
NOOOOOOO!!! Take it away before it gets distributed on the net!
Originally posted by NeoNSX
<B> Honda has announced a special edition : FURRY HSC...</B>
Heheheh... with special hood ornament. ;)
:D :D :D :D
SennaPerfected
10-15-2003, 06:03
Originally posted by NeoNSX
Honda has announced a special edition : FURRY HSC...
Heheheh... with special hood ornament.;) :D :D :D :D http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=206167http://www.wildhorsessd.com/emoticons/441.gifhttp://www.wildhorsessd.com/emoticons/434.gif
Aiken Drum
10-15-2003, 06:13
Okay, this wasn't even hard enough to require me to get around to installing photoshop. I used mspaint.
Here are the five things I changed, indicated by white arrows: 1) Removed upper side intake; 2) Wrapped rear window around to the side a bit; 3) Simplified hood; 4) Removed big side mirrors; and 5) changed middle of nose somewhat.
It's obviously not an exact match, and I probably should have changed the front pillars too, but it's awfully close, given how many things I didn't change.
gheba_nsx
10-15-2003, 06:25
WOW!!!! I am shocked!!!!!!!!!!!!
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Somebody wants a CLASSIC ;) Black NSX????
SennaPerfected
10-15-2003, 06:28
Originally posted by Aiken Drum
Okay, this wasn't even hard enough to require me to get around to installing photoshop. I used mspaint.
Here are the five things I changed, indicated by white arrows: 1) Removed upper side intake; 2) Wrapped rear window around to the side a bit; 3) Simplified hood; 4) Removed big side mirrors; and 5) changed middle of nose somewhat.
It's obviously not an exact match, and I probably should have changed the front pillars too, but it's awfully close, given how many things I didn't change.
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=206185http://www.wildhorsessd.com/emoticons/90.gifhttp://www.wildhorsessd.com/emoticons/186.gif
Unbelievable!!! :eek::eek::eek: The HSC looks simply amazing!!! Now that you pointed it out, the HSC really does mirror an Enzo. I like it! Since I'll probably never be able to afford an Enzo... I guess this is the next best thing! Only thing I have a complaint about is the sides of the car look a little bland. Could use bigger scoops behind the doors, as on our cars now. Other than that, good job Honda! :)
Bloodwynch
10-15-2003, 07:16
This is a great day in the history of Honda.
Originally posted by Aiken Drum
I can't believe nobody else seems to think that everything from the steering wheel back is ugly.
Give me a straight-up B-pillar please, none of this swishy stuff, I don't care if you want it to look like an Enzo, it looks ugly on an Enzo too.
Oh, and if I wanted the ass-end of a Corvette, I'd buy a Corvette, and likely for half the price and better performance.
I mean, really, can't anyone at Honda design an original second-gen NSX? This thing is totally and utterly derivative of an Enzo, an NSX, and a Corvette, and not very much of the NSX I might add. There must not have been any cars they liked the side view of, because the doors are generically bland.
Oh well, at least when they copied the Enzo part they were aiming high instead of low.
I agree with you Aiken Drum.
I am sorry to say that this is disapointing and if this car will be the next NSX, Honda missed the point.
Not because this isn't a nice car BUT this design cannot be considered as an evolution of original design and IMO the first gen NSX looks way better, way sexier. In fact the first look was so much right that it was IMO at the same level as a Lamborghini Diablo.
IMO Honda shouldn't abandon side to side rear light and reflectors with the integrated spoiler.
Geez! It was the best looking rear in the entire car industry!
The side scoop are ridiculously small and unsignificant.
Wow! Do they want us thinking that there is a HUGE 1,6L engine in the back? Darn impressive.
OK it is better than phony ones like those of a Mustang! :D
For sure it is always better to judge after seing the real thing...
But actually I'm not impressed at all and this car isn't as appealing as the first NSX...by far.
Honda as traded a timeless, inspired, soul impregnated and true exotic design for a modern techno-dull copy of the unelegant Ferrari Enzo à la sauce Pagani Zonda and Corvette's butt ugly butt.
Sorry.
To each is own...
gheba_nsx
10-15-2003, 07:55
Anothr interior shot:
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=162473
gheba_nsx
10-15-2003, 07:58
And mayebe only 3 liter engine...
According to AutoExpress/Evo Magazine the HSC uses carbon fibre for a lot of it's bodywork to save weight; this is a formula for a very light weight sports car. Best of all, if the article is to be believed, the price of the next-gen NSX will remain the same.
Here is a snippet;
"With Enzo looks, carbon bodyshell and gullwing doors, you would expect this supercar to wear a Ferrari badge. But in fact, this is the Honda Sports Concept (HSC) - and it's tipped to become the all-new NSX. What's more, just like the Italian stunner, it will cause a real stir with cutting-edge technology.
The current NSX has been on sale since 1991, and its all-alloy construction and no-compromise chassis created a vehicle capable of worrying traditional supercar brands. Honda aims to do the same with this model, using carbon-fibre panels similar to those on the likes of the Enzo and Porsche Carrera GT.
It has the looks to match them, too; the headlamps resemble the existing NSX, but otherwise the styling is all-new. The sharp edges and flat sides aren't only for effect, though, as the HSC's aerodynamics have been tuned to give greater downforce at speed without the need for big external spoilers. At the rear, the LED tail-lights have a holographic 3D effect and a glass screen exposes the mid-mounted engine. Unlike the Enzo, the Honda makes do with a revamped 3.0-litre V6 rather than a V12, but it now produces 300bhp and is mated to a six-speed sequential gearbox. The interior, accessed via scissor-action doors, uses blue carbon fibre and a minimalist 'skeletal' dash structure, while the gearlever is replaced by a paddleshifter. Yet despite the technology, Honda insists that the new NSX will be no more expensive than the old car when it arrives in 2005. "
From www.autoexpress.co.uk
gheba_nsx
10-15-2003, 07:59
And a real photo of the rear from 3/4 behind!
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_24/car_portal_pic_12038.jpg?4813
Accord-R
10-15-2003, 09:55
Simply amazing!
NetViper
10-15-2003, 10:35
Originally posted by gheba_nsx
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Unlike the Enzo, the Honda makes do with a revamped 3.0-litre V6 rather than a V12, but it now produces 300bhp and is mated to a six-speed sequential gearbox.
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WHY WHY WHY would honda only give this car a 3.0L V6 with only 300HP... that would be FREAKING stupid. I guess everyone buying this car better save up extra money for the comptech SC for this new car -- just so we can keep up with a base model 2005 vette.:mad:
Is it my imagination or does the HSC sit lower than the NSX?
maomaonsx
10-15-2003, 11:28
Originally posted by NetViper
WHY WHY WHY would honda only give this car a 3.0L V6 with only 300HP... that would be FREAKING stupid. I guess everyone buying this car better save up extra money for the comptech SC for this new car -- just so we can keep up with a base model 2005 vette.:mad:
if the original NSX with 3.0L has 280hp, I don't think the new 3.5L would only have 300hp. You can do the math with hp/liter. Given the technology advance in the 12 years since that old motor, I'm sure the hp/liter ratio has even gone up. I think the motor will produce somewhere between 350hp to 380hp. Also, look at the new interior pic, it looks like carbon fiber chassis to me. I'd say if the car has the lower end of the expected hp range, say 350hp, but weight only 2500lbs, it will kick some serious ass!
Bulldozer27
10-15-2003, 11:54
Originally posted by Aiken Drum
Okay, this wasn't even hard enough to require me to get around to installing photoshop. I used mspaint.
Here are the five things I changed, indicated by white arrows: 1) Removed upper side intake; 2) Wrapped rear window around to the side a bit; 3) Simplified hood; 4) Removed big side mirrors; and 5) changed middle of nose somewhat.
It's obviously not an exact match, and I probably should have changed the front pillars too, but it's awfully close, given how many things I didn't change.
Yeah, there's no denying that it's highly derivative of the Enzo, but the HSC looks much more refined and elegant (Corvette ass-end notwithstanding). The Enzo looks rather cartoonish in pictures, and even more unattractive in person with no rear overhang and nose that is at least 18in long.
While I'm kind of unsure about the back end...for the life of me I sure can't see where it resembles any Corvette I've ever seen.
:rolleyes:
-J
Me neither. :confused:
I can't think of any car with a similar rear, with the possible exception the Elise-based Opel Speedster... But that's a stretch.
There is nothing noted as to the size of the engine yet. It could be 3.5 or larger.
Looking at the picture, the engine cover looks rather large. In fact, the look of the cover indicates a super charger to me.
I would say over 400hp, over 350 Ft Lbs of torque with weight of under 3000 Lbs.
Look at Honda's history. My S2000 kicks even the Boxter S' but, and the old NSX was good compitition for all others in its day; and not even bad by todays standards. Look for the next generation to be up there with the best or Honda has a failure.
I havent seen Honda fail in the market place, so I doubt they would fail with the NSX. :) :) :)
Take another look at the size of the hold down bolts on top of the engine cover. I am 90% sure this is for a super charger.
http://www.honda-acura.net/news/images/hsc2.jpg
http://www.honda-acura.net/news/images/hsc4.jpg [/B][/QUOTE]
After all these pictures, this concept seems to stray much from the old Nsx design-wise. The back is very corvette-ish and the side is un-nsxlike. I am not saying its bad cuz I think the car is hot.
Now looking at this versus the current Nsx, I think our cars are timeless. Our rear is unlike anything out there. I wish they had kept that part because that is what most people find the most characteristic of the current Nsx. And if this car has the performance #s, the rear is what most people will ben seeing anyways.:D
NetViper
10-15-2003, 13:28
where would a supercharge fit under that hatch... there is no room??
Originally posted by Bulldozer27
Would it be possible for someone with more than my limited computer abilities to Paintshop a Spa Yellow version of this car?
Anybody can change the color to spa yellow????
please!
So, we'll be getting an Enzo look-alike super car for less than 1/6th the price...works for me :D
That rear-end is a bit weird tho.
maomaonsx
10-15-2003, 13:55
Originally posted by Sloopy
There is nothing noted as to the size of the engine yet. It could be 3.5 or larger.
Looking at the picture, the engine cover looks rather large. In fact, the look of the cover indicates a super charger to me.
I would say over 400hp, over 350 Ft Lbs of torque with weight of under 3000 Lbs.
Look at Honda's history. My S2000 kicks even the Boxter S' but, and the old NSX was good compitition for all others in its day; and not even bad by todays standards. Look for the next generation to be up there with the best or Honda has a failure.
I havent seen Honda fail in the market place, so I doubt they would fail with the NSX. :) :) :)
In one of the Japanese articles, it did mentioned the engine is a 3.5L based on an existing Honda engine. My guess it's a NA2 stroked to 3.5L. Since the bore is probably at the limit. Or maybe it has some Mugen JGTC motor technologies in it. One can only hope.
91BLACKANDBONENSX
10-15-2003, 14:02
HSC- Honda really wants to put there name on the car. Lets see what happens. Save up now and get in line because they are going to take off and fly like the new wings (doors)
Could this be the 2005 Honda Prelude? From what I'm reading, its only gonna have a 300HP V6. If they are trying to keep the price affordable, then I think it would make sense to name it the honda prelude, and have something even more exotic as an NSX. :)
I'm putting my flamesuit on for this comment.
wagyshag
10-15-2003, 14:13
Has anyone heard if this car is ONLY going to come with "Paddle Shifters" or........is it going to have a real manual trans ?
The cost is going to remain the same!:eek: Man, Honda is smart, I can't believe they can pull that off. To those that are ready to buy: be prepared for huge markup.
Any idea on production numbers? I don't want this car to be like a Modena--to me its the unexotic exotic because I see one in every city. I just hope production is kept to a minimum so that it truly holds its value and stature as exotic:D .
And I must agree with some of you that the original NSX design is in a class by itself--timeless. This design seems more of a plagiarized yet beautiful interpretation of whats already out there.
Either way in a few years this will be in my garage.
Just my cents:
ravi
edit: I can't wait to see what the guys over at ferrarichat.com think about this. I bet you they will speak negatively--but if you analyze sales numbers I also bet that many of them are going to sell their cars for this bad boy.
tmeekins
10-15-2003, 14:21
What are the chances that Honda is abiding by the "gentlemen's agreement" to not "publish" HP ratings over 300hp, even though it is much higher?
IMHO, this car is what the SSM was to the S2000.
I think guessing HP at this point is premature. I think the major issue is differentiating the powerplant from the new TL. Perhaps even a different engine for NA and Japan...
NSXTASY_MD
10-15-2003, 14:26
I'ma tell you guys right now...that thing WILL have more than 300HP. I don't care what "they" say...
...It would be an absolute marketing FLOP if it only had a stroked out 3.2 motor with only 10 more ponies....and their multi-BILLION dollar marketing and R&D departments know that.....even better than "NSXprime," believe it or not! ROFL :D
Look to see AT LEAST 100HP per liter (if not slightly more) with their current technology...even at 3.5 liter. All new V6 too.
--- Kevin
Originally posted by tmeekins
What are the chances that Honda is abiding by the "gentlemen's agreement" to not "publish" HP ratings over 300hp, even though it is much higher?
They would simply be shooting themselves in the foot. Americans want POWER! :cool: , so much that some companies overstate it. I think Jap manufacturers understate the power in Japan due to some regulations. Then again, I could be wrong.
Originally posted by Aiken Drum
It's obviously not an exact match, and I probably should have changed the front pillars too, but it's awfully close, given how many things I didn't change. http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=206185
Before you're so quick to judge, consider the current NSX and how close those pictures look...
Originally posted by tmeekins
What are the chances that Honda is abiding by the "gentlemen's agreement" to not "publish" HP ratings over 300hp... Huh? Fill me in Tim.
gheba_nsx
10-15-2003, 15:09
I'll buy one if they promise to make a Enzo bodykit for it! ;)
Yellow Rose
10-15-2003, 15:26
Aiken Drum - nice photoshopping.....reminds me of when the NSX first came out in 91, it sorta kinda emulated the Ferrari 308 (or was it the 328?).
The chrome wheels have got to go.
Something I have not seen in the pictures are the brakes. Please tell me that Brembos are factory standard. Otherwise, a first gen NSX with forced induction and big brakes will be my first choice over the HSC.
Silver F16
10-15-2003, 15:30
According to spec, concept car height is 44.8 inches, about 2 inches lower than NSX. Styling is so-so, not as stunning as original NSX.
The rear is gorgeous and defintely exotic. Front is similar to 02 design. The round and square headlight doesn't go well together. The lines from the side doesn't flow well due to the mid section going down and then coming back up at the rear. The lines flowed up in a straight line on Gen 1 NSX. The swoosh effect of the rear window is wierd and has poor visibility. The side intake is no where near as dramatic as the original.
Overall Interior layout is similar to current (which is good), with revised instrumentation and new features. Side window view is more restrictive. Keep the glass engine lid and when you bring it to America, keep the words "Honda" on the engine. Don't put the Acura Emblem on the engine. The word "Honda" on an engine is something to be proud of and has heritage. Acura is just a Micky Mouse unrecognized marketing name.
No mention of aluminum, so I think that is gone. Disappointed with lack of 180 crank V8.
The Enzo is a mixed styling car. Honda picked the wrong car to borrow stying cues. Enzo Looks good from the front. Very angular. Looks retro from the side rdue to the round shape of the mid section.
Overall styling looks good, but falls short of the original NSX. There are too many conflicting styling cues disrupting the flow of the design.
JaguarXJ6
10-15-2003, 15:32
Woohoo!
I like the front and side, the rear is different, but different in an exotic sharp line way. Flat like a 'vette and won't be everyone's cup of tea. Will see if it grows on me as more picture are released and how often I go back to these and stare :D
Lighter, lots of downforce, a 3.5L that can take some boost, and its going to kick some serious you know what!! Lets hope that it has the same cutting edge balance and refinement that made the NSX famous.
Maybe I won't be buying an NSX soon and saving for this!
Sunny
Originally posted by KGP
Huh? Fill me in Tim.
My understanding is the Japanese government prohibits its manufacturers from making cars with more than 280 hp, but I don't know the specifics. In years past the manufacturers have simply understated the power of the car.
Originally posted by AndyVecsey
Something I have not seen in the pictures are the brakes. Please tell me that Brembos are factory standard.They, at least, look beefy in these pictures (big, 2-pc, seperate hat):
Front: http://sohc.vtec.net/news_files/161630/03tms_hsc_tov.jpg (may have to copy and paste url)
Rear: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_24/car_portal_pic_12038.jpg?4813
Ken, you've been conspiciously silent on this thread, any thoughts? Do you think it's for real?
I have to applaude Honda, for much of the years we have heard rumors and aligations that Honda was going to discontinue the NSX, or that it would continue with mild cosmetic changes ( '02,'03 models). Well it seems that Honda did have something up their sleeves and this HSC, exceeds all expectations. I know that Honda can't please everyone, but this was truely better than all those speculative pics that was on the web or magazines.
IMO I love the pics of the HSC concept, I know that the car will even look better in person, just like the Enzo. For those that think that the HSC is a Enzo knock off, WHO CARES!! It actually looks to be better balanced than the Enzo ( Enzo has a long nose and short tail). I'm glad that Honda is going after the supercar and didn't just redesign the car with 350Z or RX-8 in mind. NSX has always been above that and the HSC shows that Honda is Back Baby! I can't imagine that the engine is going to be a revamped 3.0 V6, unless revamped means bored out to 3.5L, with the 3.5L I think it is more likely to be around 380hp NA. But then could HSC really stand for Honda SuperCharger?
;)
I can't think with all the carbon fiber and technology to loose weight that the car can be priced similarly to the current NSX. I think they will price it just a tad more that the Porsche GT3, >$100,000.
HSC specs:
3.5L NA 380hp/350lbs tq
Curb weight 2800lbs
0- 62mph. 4.0 sec
1/4 mile 11.9 @ 120mph
6-speed squential paddle shifter
This is my opinion.
Go HONDA.
Thank God he gave me 2 kidneys............now may be the time to hock one! As far as the rear spoiler is concerned, I have a feeling, by lookin at the rear phote, that it is incorporated right above the "H" in the center ala McLaren F1.
Cheers!
Nev
apeltier
10-15-2003, 16:22
Originally posted by Ojas
Gas lid is visible in at least 2 pictures on the first page (may be hard to see if you're using an LCD monitor, though). It's in the normal location on the rear fender.
I'm not sure about the handle - good catch. Maybe there's a switch in the dark area near the top-rear part of the side window.
It looks like the door handle is in the upper rear corner of the side window near the roof. Very cool.
whiteNSXs
10-15-2003, 16:33
BTW, everyone says it looks like the Enzo, but I think it also looks very much like the Modena too.
Either way, the car WILL go to my garage. Now I need a second job.
Steve
Just spoke with the sales Mgr. at local Acura dealer, he is meeting with his sales rep next week and will be sending me the build/purchase order/ for the 05 after signing the order and making the down payment I will be guranteed delivery of the car at MSRP. Someone else already has a deposit on the 05 since last year so he gets the first one, smart gamble.I just hope both will come in at the same time.
By my calculations the HSC is 170' long, 76" wide, and 45" tall. I don't think there's any data re weight or horsepower. I for one think its beautiful and am having a hard time concentrating at work today. I'm also glad that several of you won't be competing
with me for a spot on the waiting list. More stats please!
Originally posted by AKUDOU
Just spoke with the sales Mgr. at local Acura dealer, he is meeting with his sales rep next week and will be sending me the build/purchase order/ for the 05 after signing the order and making the down payment I will be guranteed delivery of the car at MSRP. Someone else already has a deposit on the 05 since last year so he gets the first one, smart gamble.I just hope both will come in at the same time.
Wow - if you are willing to let a local dealer hold a big chunk of money with little or no information on the specs, final price, or delivery date you deserve to have it at MSRP IMO.
The production version of the new NSX or whatever they call it could be very different then this concept and you are really paying much more then sticker when you consider the time value of money.
I am excited about this new car just like I liked some of the elements of the Dual Note but the final product will probably be pretty different then the car we are seeing in these pictures.
What ever happened to form follows funciton.
The present NSX worked will with lots of room for aerodynamic impovement.
New NSX looks like they will use air from underside to increase down force in the rear. In this case they won't get as much paracitic drag as with a spoiler, however I would bet they have one that will rise to the occasion when it gets excited. :D
The only thing where I question the design is in the front. I don't see an exit for air going through the radiator unless it goes through tunells and comes out in the rear. Eather way, I will bet on a very improved package. :) :) :)
PS. 400 hp and 350 ft lb pushing less the 3k lbs. Im sure they will blow on this one.
PoohBEAR
10-15-2003, 17:58
when is this coming out? i like the fact that is being put as code name DN-X
http://new.blackvoices.com/technology/bv-021016acura,0,1094345.story?coll=bv-technology-headlines
MAJOR STONER
10-15-2003, 18:22
red...
supergreen125
10-15-2003, 18:23
calvin-
the link you posted is pretty old.
we've known about the hsc for one day.
cmarsh90
10-15-2003, 18:25
First from the pictures (note many cars appear different in person than in pictures), I really like the frontend, the doors, the interior, not a big fan of the wheels (but those usually get changed). I like the tail lights, the back end (as on many cars) I don't think looks that good. Not as good as the current NSX.
Was there any mention of this car by Honda folks at NSXPO?
Originally posted by matteni
Wow - if you are willing to let a local dealer hold a big chunk of money with little or no information on the specs, final price, or delivery date you deserve to have it at MSRP IMO.
The production version of the new NSX or whatever they call it could be very different then this concept and you are really paying much more then sticker when you consider the time value of money.
I am excited about this new car just like I liked some of the elements of the Dual Note but the final product will probably be pretty different then the car we are seeing in these pictures.
Well, if you consider that when the NSX first came out, some were going for $100K with the markup, then you may be saving a substantial chunk of cash by putting a deposit down now. I guess it all depends on the size of the deposit.
That could even be an investment, where you can turn around and sell it when it gets delivered, and you get to pocket the markup, instead of the dealer.
Originally posted by STOCKTONSX
edit: I can't wait to see what the guys over at ferrarichat.com think about this. I bet you they will speak negatively--but if you analyze sales numbers I also bet that many of them are going to sell their cars for this bad boy.
Find out what they're saying about it (they posted a link to this thread too):
http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/132929/329651.html?1066242372
Originally posted by yellowpad
i like the fact that is being put as code name DN-X
http://new.blackvoices.com/technology/bv-021016acura,0,1094345.story?coll=bv-technology-headlines They are not taling about the HSC when referring to DN-X.
Originally posted by Joel
Find out what they're saying about it (they posted a link to this thread too):
http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/132929/329651.html?1066242372
Responses are overwhelmingly postive... :D
Justin664
10-15-2003, 18:53
Is that a red start button on the right corner of the dash?
Originally posted by Justin664
Is that a red start button on the right corner of the dash? Na, that's to activate the laser/radar stealth mode.;)
I wish they would keep the spoiler in the back and make the side scoops bigger. They are the signature features of the current NSX.
Originally posted by Joel
I wish they would keep the spoiler in the back and make the side scoops bigger. They are the signature features of the current NSX.
Ditto on the side scoops. As for the spoiler... I'm not quite sure... both looks pretty good.
Notice the photo of the driver cockpit only shows 2 pedals... Now, the question is which SMG are they going to use...
I think Honda is trying to get even with GM - GM copied many design aspects of the NSX for their C5 Vette. Now, the NSX gets the C5's rear quarter panels - yucks... That's the only part that I hope changes before production.
Of the two pedals shown, it looks like the one on the left is a dead pedal. Leaving just one pedal?
Just for fun I figured by picture the wheel size:
about 22 inches!
For sure there will be differences with the production model:
side markers lights
smaller wheels and maybe bigger gap
etc
About total engine output I just can't believe less than 110 hp/L making a nice 385 hp
( redlining @ 9 K rpm and cutting off at 9,3K ? )
for a 3,5 L V6.
I'd like to see 120 hp/L hence gratifying us of a respectable 420 hp! In a 2700 lb package, this car will move! 2,92 kg/hp!!! :eek:
But as far as we do not have any information power could be anywhere between:
317 hp to 437,5 hp ( from 90,625 hp/L to 125 hp/L )
and curb weight from 1275 kg to 1225 kg...
And having lowered S2K redline, the NSX will still be the king!
For sure this car will be magnificent dynamically and technically speaking.
Aiken Drum
10-15-2003, 19:25
Yeah, if they toss the back end and redo it with a more NSXey look, I'd go for this car, but I'd rather see both the back end and the B-pillar get a redesign.
It's funny, actually.
I really hate that swoopy B-pillar. It's basically what I don't like about an Enzo.
I really hate the back end. It's basically what I don't like about a Corvette.
Bigger scoop, rear wing, "wedge-ified"...
As someone noted earlier, the rectangular block shaped rear end looks much like the "big" rear end of a corvette.
i would like some sort of a spoiler... and bigger air vent/scoops.
i love the front and sides... rear has some getting used to.
Not exactly to my taste, but no telling what a production version would look like anyway. Those wheels are an absolute disgrace and don't bode well for the general mentality behind the car.
svalleynsx
10-15-2003, 20:05
Unfortunately I have to agree with the naysayers on this one. In a nutshell: way too Corvettish in rear, and Enzoish in front. As far as the interior goes: besides the F1 paddles and a modern makeover of the controls, I see nothing awe-inspiring in it.
ncdogdoc
10-15-2003, 20:07
Remember that Honda has probably been working on the shape for several years, including using some of its recent F1 experience. I would think the current shape predated the world premiere of the Enzo. Someone said it above: "Form follows function". The front end is obviously styled for down force. The rear end for the same reason, just like on the 'Vette. Think about this-- no more bumper dust:D
Even though Honda makes production models similar to its show cars, there will be many small changes to both the exterior and interior. If they did not make it look different, what is the point of coming out with a new model??? How much does the C5 look like the C4, C3 etc. How much does the RSX look like an Integra, or the last Prelude look like the previous two major styling changes. And last but not least, what about the 360 vs. 355 vs. 348 vs. 328 vs. 308.
I cannot wait to see it in person, and hope that American Honda runs a really good lease deal:D:D:D
i don't have much of a problem with the front. lot of people say it's enzo-ish. to me the enzo has a bird's beak.
the new nsx front is just a slight change from the new '03 models. headlight are similar. i wouldn't say they copied the enzo.
JaguarXJ6
10-15-2003, 20:12
Lets not get too deep in to generalities here... if you hide the last 1/2 of the car, it doesn't remind of you an NSX and looks more like the king F-car? I strongly disagree.
Tweak the rear so its not so squared off like a 'vette with cheapo tail light clusters, incorporate the signature spoiler, and most owners go aftermarket on rims anyway, no big loss there.
The Enzo looks like a Hot Wheels or Zip Zap; the HSC is a far cry better looking than that.
A little more NSX bloodline and you'll be screaming to get your hands on one, admit it :)
Sunny
Ugh!! Those taillights. Another sign that the design team has been watching F&F.
Originally posted by whiteNSXs
This car looks awesome! I just spent a ton of money on my new CTSC and now this!!!! Should have just used the money towards the down payment of this beauty. Wait a minute! The seat and the buttons are down right NSX's. And where is the shifter? It is a F1 transmission!!!
Steve :mad:
Lemme know if you want to sell your car, Steve. I may want to buy it. :)
-CiaoBoy
I like everything I see so far.
The rear looks so awesome and all the guys at my shop felt the same way. I love the way this car looks period with no excepeions at all. Sure the more hp the better but 350hp is fine by me.
Now, how about a spyder version!
Will they make us wait for an open top version like the last car?
Targa is nice but I'd love this car with a full conv. top!
I will buy this car if they make it.
Maybe the headline should read: "Honda reveals another facelifted NSX gimmick!"
Because they can call that concept what they want, but it's just a reskined NSX, and that's a shame.
I used to admire Honda for being ingeniously redundant; the parts bin cars, the interchangability of parts and the performance for the dollar and the general accessibilty of their product line to the average enthusiast, but with a little retrospect, some insight and a little maturity. I've come to realize that Honda's "ingenious redundancy" isn't really ingenious, it's just greedy.
They don't like to risk development costs, they don't like to risk failure and, most importantly, they refuse to risk losing money.
Every car they assemble now, is a flacid resking of a '73 civic -- nothings really changed, has it?
Before you lambast me with the tennents of the modern, corporate, manufacture ethos. I do understand that every manufacture is now, in one way or another, uses both vertical and parallel integration acorss it's manufacturing methods to cut costs, but Honda's apparent lack of spirit is insulting, and, ultimatly, the reason why their cars, are no longer revered, and unfotunatly why they'll never garner the allure that I once felt they deserved.
I loved the NSX, and still do, but I loved it because it was a risk, because it CHALLANGED the world, and won. Honda built the NSX to become a benchmark, and it did. I love the s2000 becuase it's purporse built, well enginereed, has strikingly good build quality, and offered a lot of novelty and nuance, but even it's edge has been dulled.
And, finally, this "HSC" is as close to being worth anything close to "supercar" as I am worthy of the title "superhuman." It's a bag of bones, wearing a neauvou tailored skin, and it'll be the most egregous stylistic , and mechanical flop, since the aztek.
Honda's simply borrowing elements of cars that have, and are, pushing the egde; the enzo, the 360 and the gallardo and murci, but it's accomplished nothing, other than "fashioning" their product, but creating nothing. It's look, and feel from the pictures, is that of a cheap and gawdy imitation; and come off like wearing a fuschia three piece velvet suit to a black tie affair. It's cheap, and it smacks of it. Loudly.
If honda want to play the supercar game, they need a car with a flat crank V10, offer both manual and F1 trannies, and cater to the enthusiast that wants the newest, most advanced and fatsest car for his/her dollar, but Honda's also got to beat the competition with pragmatisim and reliability -- like they did with the NSX in the early '90's.
Honda once was a pioneering effort, built upon the ethos of competition, ingenuity and evolution, but the legacy they are poised to leave is one of a dilluted spirit, and a passing apparition of a conglomerate corporate phantom.
Sochichiro Honda once said (parapharsed) "... competition improves the breed..." I wonder what he'd say today?
I really don't understand how a car looks a bit similiar to an existing car can be used against it. When the first NSX came out it had headlights similiar to the testarossa, was it criticized for being not original? It's almost as if saying that a car copys another because it has headlights and four wheels... Form follows function, that's why many fish have similiar shape... And I think that's why cars have a certain set of design limitations if one wants to be effective.
My comments pertaining to the styling were to implore the evolution of the car, as a fundamental concept -- not a mimmick.
Everyone takes certain ques from given aesthetic, and functional, fundamental shapes, but it's the evolution of that shape that creates something novel.
My implict comments were making mention of the lack of evolution, novelty (the design ques and shapes seem -- to my eye -- simply "tacked on"), and the subsequent failure in creating a new benchmark stylistically -- the car is already failure mechanically (IMO) becuase honda seems steadfast in reusing the V6 powerplant.
Originally posted by HPV100
HSC specs:
3.5L NA 380hp/350lbs tq
Curb weight 2800lbs
0- 62mph. 4.0 sec
1/4 mile 11.9 @ 120mph
6-speed squential paddle shifter
This is my opinion.
Go HONDA.
I am guessing that Honda will be able to get 400 horses out of the 3.5L. Considering the S2000's 120 hp per liter, that means 420 hp for 3.5L. Of course, due to inefficiencies and such, Honda may not be able to maintain the same 120 hp per liter when the engine is larger, so that's why I'm guessing a drop down to 400 hp.
Torque will probably be much lower in my opinion. Honda's engines are always about making lots of hp, but at very high rpms. Considering the current 3.2L makes only 224 ft-lbs, I'd guess that the 3.5L won't be far away from that figure. Maybe 250 ft-lbs, but I'd say definitely less than 300 ft-lbs.
Just my guesses. :)
-CiaoBoy
JaguarXJ6
10-15-2003, 21:05
"Every car they assemble now, is a flacid resking of a '73 civic -- nothings really changed, has it?"
And what if it exceeds all expectations and outperforms the NSX in every respect? What if it doesn't have the prestige associated by having equal or more cylinders than the competition?
All we've seen are some concept photos and already we're bashing it as an unworthy replacement to the NSX?
Or is it once a Civic, always a Civic?
If this is indeed the NSX replacement and doesn't dominate the cars above its price range in everything but styling, I'll eat crow if you will. ;)
Sunny
Originally posted by nkb
Well, if you consider that when the NSX first came out, some were going for $100K with the markup, then you may be saving a substantial chunk of cash by putting a deposit down now. I guess it all depends on the size of the deposit.
That could even be an investment, where you can turn around and sell it when it gets delivered, and you get to pocket the markup, instead of the dealer. 1,000.00 Deposit beats a C D. Deposit is small compared to the value potental of a first off the line possible sale to another dealer or individual.
JaguarXJ6
10-15-2003, 21:10
"the car is already failure mechanically (IMO) becuase honda seems steadfast in reusing the V6 powerplant."
Hell, I suppose that 540bhp/475lbs torque and 200lbs torque at idle for a 3.5L V6 twin turbo 90 degree, uneven firing - 90 and 150 is a mechanical failure. Or, wait, sorry thats the XJ220 engine. The XJ220S turns out 675bhp/525lbs torque, another disappointment.
They are not mechanical failures, are they? That was 10-12 years ago, lets see if Honda can make that reliable and how much untapped potential Honda builds in and how much space the design allows for aftermarket improvements before we go that far, shall we? :)
Sunny
Hell, I suppose that 540bhp/475lbs torque and 200lbs torque at idle for a 3.5L V6 twin turbo 90 degree, uneven firing - 90 and 150 is a mechanical failure. Or, wait, sorry thats the XJ220 engine.
It was, in the sense that it replaced the v12 that never materialized b/c Jag ran out of money in developing the xj220.
My civic comment was a critique of Honda's current "market philosohpy," how it ultimatly shortchanges the enthusiast and undermines what honda has accomplished in the past; i.e., NSX, S2000 , ITR, etc. I wasn't attempting to harp on this, alleged, new cars lineage -- or lack thereof.
I think you should re-read my post, as I think you've missed my sentiment, entirely.
ncdogdoc
10-15-2003, 21:15
Well here is my testimonial to lack of computer art skills:D
ncdogdoc
10-15-2003, 21:18
Could only get a gold like yellow
JaguarXJ6
10-15-2003, 21:23
Originally posted by bb6
It was, in the sense that it replaced the v12 that never materialized b/c Jag ran out of money in developing the xj220.
My civic comment was a critique of Honda's current "market philosohpy,"
I think you should re-read my post, as I think you've missed my sentiment, entirely.
No, I think I got your sentiments just fine ;) I happen to agree, but not from a mechanical standpoint.
If they want to stay in the supercar ring, they need to develop one from the ground up with the same fanaticism to be the best that made the NSX.
The V6 is more economical (good for Honda, potential Honda owners) and can produce more than respectible numbers. The displacement war doesn't win everything. Jag did run out of money but produced a lighter, more balanced, more economical supercar. Honda can do the same again.
Sunny
ncdogdoc
10-15-2003, 21:23
Kinda funky
ncdogdoc
10-15-2003, 21:25
almost charcoal
ncdogdoc
10-15-2003, 21:29
Nice chrome green scheme
The Corvette has history behind it. As to date, each generation has come to being coined "C#" (i.e. C4, C5, C6...). It is a great car with great tradition. That is why each generation of Corvette LOOKS like a Corvette. The designers specifically design to that requirement. And no one says that the changes are "tacked on". In fact, admirers comment that the "spirit" of the car is maintained. This is one reason why, after spending loads of development dollars on a mid-engine Corvette, it has remained front-engine, rear-drive.
As tradition requires that the Corvette look like a Corvette, this new generation NSX LOOKS like an NSX... just as it should. To expect it to look totally different would be NOT in keeping with the "spirit" of the NSX. But don't mistake it, there is no simple facelift here... you won't win that argument. This car has been "redesigned".
I would like to introduce the idea that we call this new car X2.
Oh yes, and I loved it the instant I saw it. :cool:
Originally posted by ncdogdoc
almost charcoal Please more pictures dock better than reading the stake burners.
I like it a lot.
When I first saw it I thought 'Baby Enzo' which is a good thing in my book. I really like the side view. I love the "humps" over the rear wheels.
My only complaint is the headlight area looks a little bulky to me and I'll be disappointed if it doesn't have that sexy long red light across the back :) Not a big fan of those circular lights.
Originally posted by s2ktaxi
Notice the photo of the driver cockpit only shows 2 pedals
If you look closely you can see what looks to be a little bit of the brake pedal.
Originally posted by nsx1
The Corvette has history behind it. As to date, each generation has come to being coined "C#" (i.e. C4, C5, C6...). It is a great car with great tradition. That is why each generation of Corvette LOOKS like a Corvette. The designers specifically design to that requirement. And no one says that the changes are "tacked on". In fact, admirers comment that the "spirit" of the car is maintained. This is one reason why, after spending loads of development dollars on a mid-engine Corvette, it has remained front-engine, rear-drive.
As tradition requires that the Corvette look like a Corvette, this new generation NSX LOOKS like an NSX... just as it should. To expect it to look totally different would be NOT in keeping with the "spirit" of the NSX. But don't mistake it, there is no simple facelift here... you won't win that argument. This car has been "redesigned".
I would like to introduce the idea that we call this new car X2.
Oh yes, and I loved it the instant I saw it. :cool: I SECOND THAT!!!
Originally posted by bb6
the car is already failure mechanically (IMO) because honda seems steadfast in reusing the V6 powerplant.
I don't agree bb6 because I am sure that this new car will be a Murciélago beater. Why?
Simply because this is going to be a 3 kg/hp power to weight ratio car.
Cylinder number as nothing to do with this...
IMO this car will be amazing dynamically speaking.
We are talking very likely about a less than 1265 kg @ 380 hp package.
Do the math and see: about 3,2 kg/hp .
Murciélago: 1650 kg / 580 hp = 2,84 kg/hp
360 Modena: 1290 kg / 395 hp = 3,27 kg/hp
Crevette:D Z06: 1415 kg / 405 hp = 3,49 kg/hp
Zanardi 0
10-15-2003, 21:39
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek: ..I love it...no more mods, starting saving up.
X2 sounds like a great idea to me.
CiaoBoy,
I was being concervative in the 380hp figure, in my heart I am really hoping for >400hp. I also would like it to have more torque but I agree with you more likely it would have <300 and redline could be around 9000rpm.
Paul
Rubber Chicken
10-15-2003, 21:52
Originally posted by bb6
If honda want to play the supercar game, they need a car with a flat crank V10, offer both manual and F1 trannies, and cater to the enthusiast that wants the newest, most advanced and fatsest car for his/her dollar, but Honda's also got to beat the competition with pragmatisim and reliability -- like they did with the NSX in the early '90's.
Honda's design philosophy has always been "outdo the competition with less" Look at the S2000, an I4 that outperforms its I6 and V6 counterparts for less money.
The TSX is criticized for its lack of a 6 cylinder, yet its performance is on par with every other car in its segment.
If Honda ever made a flat crank V10, it'd be to compete with V12's.
The original NSX's target's have been 348's and F355's.
This time around, its the 360 Modena.
Regardless of the Ferrari, the NSX has always been poised to accomplish the same or more with less.
Less money, and less displacement/cylinders, performance was on par with a 348 and 355.
Like all those who criticize the S2000 for only having a 4 cylinder, results are what truley make a car. An 800 hp supra with no traction is worth just as much a BPU supra... they'll both run 12's in the quarter. I don't care how much horsepower they have, trap speeds are trap speeds, and ET's are ET's.
Its too early to say with this NSX. Honda floored us all before with the previous NSX in relation to its competition. Everyone's been doing the same lately, SRT-4, Evo, STi, E55, SVT Cobra. I have faith that Honda knows the market well enough not to let out something that will disappoint.
As we don't even know the weight yet, and the article quoted in this thread says that the NSX makes extensive use of Carbon Fiber, combined with the fact that its front and rear overhangs have been all but diminished to almost nothing, we have good reason to hope that it will be lighter than its predecessor.
If you want a Flat crank V10, it seems like what you want is more along the lines of GT car. So many people on this board are fans of "adding lightness." For Honda to give that to us straight from the factory would be more than a prayer answered. As you can always add power... but making a car lighter can get very price prohibitive fast.
Gerry Johnson has a 500 hp NSX from a stock 270. But we've managed to lighten the NSX how much? to 2750 lbs from 2950?
My point is that it wouldn't be in the Honda spirit to give us a V10. Look at it this way, if they give us a car that does 0-60 in 4.2 and the 1/4 in 12.0 then we'll be satisfied. If not then yes I agree that your complaints are not unjustified.
Or maybe 400+HP na with factory supercharger that puts the output to 550+HP plus advanced eletric motors that makes the car 650+HP while the whole new contructions weight in at around 2000lb and becomes the fastest production car over the Mclaren at the price of the current NSX... :D
Originally posted by HPV100
CiaoBoy,
I was being concervative in the 380hp figure, in my heart I am really hoping for >400hp. I also would like it to have more torque but I agree with you more likely it would have <300 and redline could be around 9000rpm.
Paul
I'm hoping for more than 400 hp as well. The Viper already has 500 hp and 500 ft-lbs. The next Vette will have 450 hp or more. If the HSC/NSX is going to be a supercar, it had better have the horses to compete against them and also against the next Modena, not to mention the Ford GT.
-CiaoBoy
Check-out this photochop someone did on honda-acura.net...
http://www.zumografx.com/zumo/chops/hsc2.jpg
Not bad but I want it in spa yellow pearl.
maomaonsx
10-15-2003, 22:07
Originally posted by Zuerst
Check-out this photochop someone did on honda-acura.net...
http://www.zumografx.com/zumo/chops/hsc2.jpg
ghettofabulous :rolleyes:
ncdogdoc
10-15-2003, 22:14
A little brighter than Midnight Pearl.
ncdogdoc
10-15-2003, 22:17
And one for those Jag and MG fans (almost):D
you want a Flat crank V10, it seems like what you want is more along the lines of GT car. So many people on this board are fans of "adding lightness." For Honda to give that to us straight from the factory would be more than a prayer answered. As you can always add power... but making a car lighter can get very price prohibitive fast. My point is that it wouldn't be in the Honda spirit to give us a V10. Look at it this way, if they give us a car that does 0-60 in 4.2 and the 1/4 in 12.0 then we'll be satisfied. If not then yes I agree that your complaints are not unjustified.
I certainly do not want a GT car.
I think some of you are all too focused on my comments regarding the powerplant; maybe I'm finally too old to write clearly. At any rate, I'll try to rephrase my opinion as to come off less like a whino, and more like an ardent enthusiast.
In the early 90's, before the NSX broke cover, honda was more or less percieved to be the manufacture of economical hatchbacks, "sporty" coupes, well engineered motorcycles (rc 45, anyone?) and had a given amount of clout due to their F1 success with McLaren; however, when the NSX broke, it was a revolution -- it recreated honda, set a benchmark and defined a new automotive paradigm (not to mention that you could hear the collective automotive world utter a resounding "HOLY SHIT!! Where'd that thing come from???") And that's why we're all here, isn't it? Becuase the car was an instant, soughtafter, classic -- despit dwindling interest and sales.
If any of you have read "driving ambition" (story of the mclaren f1) you'll know that gordan murray owned an nsx, used it as test mule for early engines (b/c the shifter/tranny had such excellent feel) and infused much of the NSX's feel (i.e., shifter, steering, cockpit interior, driver position and driver centric design) into the mclarens design. Now, not every car will be an F1, but it was a testament to the esteem that the NSX was born with, bar none.
And, that's what I want from honda this time around. I want to be left slackjawed like I was with my first NSX, my 99 prelude , the interga type r's and s2000. I want a revolution, and there's not tangible reason to be offered, no honda's behalf, to not fulfill that request. IMO, of course.
Further, and if I may, I'd like to make a parallel b/w the arguments of continuing the "growth" of the NSX as a concept, rather than an evolution, and an unearthing of a new breed. The parallel I'd like to make is that with the ferrari 360; based upon the lineage of 3xx cars (i.e., 246 dino, 308, 328, 348 and 355) the 360 was entirely new, but with a bloodline. It's design was new, unrelated to the previous cars. It's motor reworked, almost new from the bottom up. Everything was an evolution; had you not known, you'd never have guessed that the 360 was birthed from the 3xx bloodline -- that's what I'd like honda to do now, build something so novel, so ingenious that it'll garner immediate reverence from it's peers (again, like the NSX).
I've been driving, tearing apart and tracking honda's a long time, and i've driven everything from the old 73 cvcc's to the nsx and some of hondas motorcycles, and I'm a proud enthusiast, but I simply want to be acknowledged as an enthusiast again; I don't want honda to do what's pragmatic; what's commercially viable; etc.
I want them to define a new paradigm.
Originally posted by AKUDOU
1,000.00 Deposit beats a C D. Deposit is small compared to the value potental of a first off the line possible sale to another dealer or individual.
or you could call around and pay $0 dollars to get on the list like several have done here by calling St. Louis Acura - who by the way apperently has commited to selling them at msrp when they come out.
then again it is your money.
so is this breaking records as the longest thread???
how about 0-1000 posts in under 3 days??
Originally posted by matteni
or you could call around and pay $0 dollars to get on the list like several have done here by calling St. Louis Acura - who by the way apperently has commited to selling them at msrp when they come out.
then again it is your money. TRUE BUT ST.LOUIS IS 1000 MILES ROUND TRIP VS 50 MILES. THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP:) :)P.S GETTING ON THE LIST VS SIGNING THE ORDER FORM. WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
Originally posted by AKUDOU
TRUE BUT ST.LOUIS IS 1000 MILES ROUND TRIP VS 50 MILES. ...P.S GETTING ON THE LIST VS SIGNING A ORDERFORM. WHAT WOULD YOU DO? Getting on the list with them equals them sending a confirmation by mail. Untill specs are available, such as paint color and options, there can not be a build sheet completed. BTW, that 1K drive might just be one heck of a good time. :D
The only thing I don't like at this point are the seats. I am assuming they will change because there is no lateral support for your lower back.
This can't be right, can it? :confused:
ItsBettrThatWay
10-15-2003, 22:43
I wonder about the specs of the type-r version :)
Originally posted by KGP
Getting on the list with them equals them sending a confirmation by mail. Untill specs are available, such as paint color and options, there can not be a build sheet completed. The general manager told me that Acura wants signed order forms from the buyer with color preferance.If you need anymore info I will give you his phone number. Or better yet give me the # in St Louis for a cross check.
Originally posted by KGP
Getting on the list with them equals them sending a confirmation by mail. Untill specs are available, such as paint color and options, there can not be a build sheet completed. BTW, that 1K drive might just be one heck of a good time. :D True hum maybe I could wright this off because I pull product out of Wood River.:cool:
NCC-1701D
10-15-2003, 22:48
along as there is a in dash cd player than its all good..
I am very happy to say I am the first one to do it....many may do it better, but I'm the first
Don’t mind her missing arm….she got it caught in a bear trap and had to gnaw it off:D:D:D
Hmm, I really don't think this car looks THAT great.
Originally posted by gheba_nsx
And a real photo of the rear from 3/4 behind!
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_24/car_portal_pic_12038.jpg?4813
That view is simply hideous! I will gladly buy one of the 97-01 models with low mileage that you so many of you loved yesterday, but now are throwing out with the trash. Shame on you!
Blue Knight
10-15-2003, 23:45
man, i can't believe i'm missing out on all the fun...i left for two days and chaos takes over.
i must say that's a nice job, jadkar. i knew she'd be back. samurai sold his car so she has to move along...
i guess no performance numbers yet, huh? how about cost?
Please remember this is not the finalized product. It is just a gauge for marketeers to "test the waters". The rear will probably look very different, although I am surprised to see how finalized the front is.
With regards to the powertrain, I still maintain my argument that it will be a longitudinal v10 or more NA engine. HP should be in the 400-500 range and the next NSX will be using paddler to automatically shift a 7 speed sequential "manual" gearbox.
It should be announced in 2005 as a 2006 model.
And finally, to all those who thought I was a BS'er who was propagating rumors, please review how accurate my posts have been so far:
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=198581#post198581
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=189456#post189456
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=196111#post196111
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=198315#post198315
no hard feelings here...
:cool:
Midnight_Raven
10-15-2003, 23:57
Notice how I changed the B-pillars so they look more NSX like and how I made the side intakes bigger and longer. I also changed the mirrors but they look like crap cause I don't know how to do anything on photoshop maybe someone can take my little picture and do a better one and see how it looks compared to the original HSC looks.
Tell me if you think it look better or not just interested in what you guys think. Remember I don't know how to do anything with photoshop:D
Originally posted by apapada
Please remember this is not the finalized product. It is just a gauge for marketeers to "test the waters". The rear