I wonder why Apple hasn't had ebay shut down sellers who sell cheapo iPod & iPhone accessories. I bought two car chargers and a travel charger for $9.99 shipped.
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Has ebay gone nuts?
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Freecycle sounds like a good plan. We just save all the decent stuff tenants leave behind and then sell it and blow the loot on a company party once a year. The guys aren't going to save anything if they don't profit from it and I really don't blame them.
Up 250 bucks on my ebay puts
Up 250 bucks on my ebay puts
interesting post about ebay from
http://blog.auctionbytes.com/cgi-bin/blog/blog.pl?/pl/2008/5/1210344350.html
Critical Test for eBay's PayPal-Only Policy Critical Test for eBay's PayPal-Only Policy
by: susie198000
Mon May 12 2008 18:58:25
".......we will take what we learn in Australia with PayPal-only and apply it accordingly. What perhaps didn't’ come across as well is that we will apply those lessons differently in different markets."
Umm....As shocking as it may be, eBay isn't being altogether honest about the US market and PayPal.
eBay has gotten around the PayPal only question in the US by slowly instituting new rules over time to effectively force Sellers to accept PayPal.
When eBay bought PayPal, eBay "encouraged" Sellers to offer it as a payment method. A lot did using their existing Personal account, (no fees). eBay listings weren't integrated with PayPal accounts so in the beginning it was a true option.
In short order eBay embarked on its long range plan to have all US transactions be PayPal only.
The first step was to was to "strongly encourage" buyers to open a PayPal account and use PayPal as an easy and safe payment method. There were not so subtle hints that any other payment method wasn't safe. eBay did a good job with buyers. Buyers mostly "assumed" that all Sellers offered PayPal. As eBay planned Sellers who didn't offer PayPal were having problems with Buyers.
It is worth noting that eBay made no effort to tell Buyers that Sellers had the choice of *not* accepting PayPal. eBay also made no effort to let buyers know that Sellers who didn't accept PayPal weren't by definition dishonest.
In response to buyer complaints, (see above) eBay added a PayPal icon next to a listing along with the ability to Search for "PayPal Only" listings. Reinforcing to buyers that Sellers who accepted PayPal were "honest", and putting more pressure on Sellers to accept PayPal.
The move to present Buyers with PayPal Only Search results gave eBay the excuse to integrate and link eBay account info with PayPal account info. (eBay was planning ahead for later moves).
Then came eBay Checkout with PayPal as the first payment option. Giving the Buyer the impression that if the Seller didn't accept PayPal, use it anyway. The Seller could claim the payment by opening a PayPal account. Indeed, a lot of buyers assumed that Sellers would open accounts, and sent PayPal payments. It was a mess with Sellers rejecting PayPal payments with the offer to open an account creating more eBay instigated Buyer problems for Sellers.
The beauty of PayPal from eBay's perspective is that anyone can send a payment to anyone and if the person receiving the payment doesn't have an account they have to create one to accept the payment.
This was a huge move by eBay to get to PayPal only. Because to this point a Seller could still opt out of offering PayPal, and opt out of eBay Checkout altogether and communicate with a buyer directly about payment.
This big move didn't go unnoticed. Sellers who used third party checkout out most often with their own Merchant accounts were in an uproar, as were small Sellers who saw eBay Checkout as trying to force PayPal on them. eBay backed off using eBay Checkout and Sellers could opt out, (only if you didn't offer PayPal). eBay learned that they couldn't be so direct to get to get to PayPal only.
So about this time eBay rolled Stores with the requirement that Stores accept PayPal and use eBay checkout. Maybe they didn't get all listing using PayPal and checkout, but they got a big chunk with Stores.
Now that eBay had its foot in the door getting Sellers to accept PayPal they then went onto making sure Sellers were going to start paying eBay fees to accept PayPal.
Up until this time Sellers had Personal accounts to accept PayPal, (no fees). When PayPal was started it was advertised as "free for life". PayPal would make money on the "float". eBay would have none of that nonsense. What was the point of buying PayPal if not to soak the Sellers for more fees ?
So eBay mandated that a Seller who accepted PayPal had a dollar amount limit on payments they could recieve in their Personal account. Above that limit a Seller had to "upgrade" from their Personal account, (no fees), to a Premier account, (fees).
Since the eBay and PayPal account info was integrated, (see above), a Seller would get a message that in order to accept payment they had to upgrade to Premier on the spot, that very moment. If the Seller didn't know about the upgrade mandate, the Seller had no choice but to upgrade and pay fees. If they didn't they risked being suspended or NARUed.
eBay didn't waste a lot of time with the dollar limit and upgrade rule to PayPal Premier, (and fees).
After being frog marched to the Premier upgrade, eBay eliminated the dollar amount rule to upgrade from a Personal account and required all Sellers to upgrade to a Premier or Merchant account, (with fees on even the shipping costs too).
In conjunction with the all Sellers must upgrade to Premier or Merchant account announcement was that that if a Seller had a PayPal account, and wanted to sell on eBay, then PayPal was required to be offered as a payment method, upgraded to a Premier or merchant account, of course.
Next up was forcing eBay sellers with PayPal listing to accept credit card payments. Sellers still had the choice of accepting only cash transfer, or e-checks, (fees, but not as high as credit card fees). As usual eBay claimed Buyers were complaining that some Sellers wouldn't accept credit card payments through PayPal.
So eBay told Sellers that to keep buyers happy all Sellers who accepted PayPal were required to accept credit card payments, (and pay higher fees than cash transfers or e-checks).
eBay's plan was going well. eBay had gotten from buying PayPal to integrating it with eBay Sellers accounts, requiring Sellers to have a Premier or Merchant account if they offer PayPal, forcing Sellers to accept all forms of PayPal payments including credit cards, and finally forcing all Sellers with PayPal accounts to offer it as a payment option.
The next logical step was to was to require all new Sellers to accept PayPal.
eBay wasted no time. Without fanfare, anyone who registered to open and account on eBay, as either a Buyer or Seller, was required to have a PayPal account. If they didn't have a PayPal account they had to register with PayPal at the same time as creating an eBay account.
What eBay didn't say was this required that all new Sellers to accept PayPal. They didn't find out until after registration that if they tried to list to sell that the rule was that if you had a PayPal account you had to accept PayPal for payment, and, if you opened a Personal account at registration you had to upgrade to Premier or Merchant, (with fees) to list and sell.
eBay reached most of its goal of PayPal only in the US. To reach its final goal would take a little longer. this mostly by Seller attrition.
eBay tweaked the PayPal requirements over time so that you can have a Personal account and a Premier account, although each account must have separate e-mail addresses and separate bank account information.
eBay tweaked Checkout so that it is required but can be by-passed for a Sellers own Merchant account, (although with the message that eBay safe buying doesn't apply since it isn't PayPal).
As it is now the only Sellers who list on eBay US without PayPal are the old timers from before about 1999 who were grandfathered in to the changes and held out with no PayPal.
But eBay has been picking them off at a steady clip. Either forcing them to accept PayPal or to leave eBay by instituting thee Best Match "finding experience". Best Match is a convoluted eBay criteria that includes offering PayPal as a payment option. Listings without PayPal get very little, if any, exposure in Search results. You can't sell what a buyer can't find.
There is also another new convoluted eBay criteria that allows eBay to hold PayPal payments to certain Sellers for 21 days, (at the discretion of eBay/PayPal). (It is complicated and no one really understands how it will or does works, or what the consequences will be to Sellers. The only thing known for sure is that eBay still gets the fees).
PayPal only has little to do with "safe buying and selling". It is about profits. Never forget the Prime Directive: Follow the Money.
So don't think for a nanosecond that eBay hasn't been or isn't continuing to try to force US Sellers to accept PayPal to get to PayPal Only.
What eBay is doing in the US is to get to "PayPal only" by draconian requirements causing Seller attrition, without risking legal action by stating that US eBay listings must be PayPal only.
PS: I am an old timer. I sold on eBay from 1997 through 2007. 100% positive feedback. A honest small seller who gave good service to buyers who appreciated personal service.
By 2007 I had enough of eBay crap. It was the best decision I ever made. I wouldn't sell on eBay again if eBay paid me.
http://blog.auctionbytes.com/cgi-bin/blog/blog.pl?/pl/2008/5/1210344350.html
Critical Test for eBay's PayPal-Only Policy Critical Test for eBay's PayPal-Only Policy
by: susie198000
Mon May 12 2008 18:58:25
".......we will take what we learn in Australia with PayPal-only and apply it accordingly. What perhaps didn't’ come across as well is that we will apply those lessons differently in different markets."
Umm....As shocking as it may be, eBay isn't being altogether honest about the US market and PayPal.
eBay has gotten around the PayPal only question in the US by slowly instituting new rules over time to effectively force Sellers to accept PayPal.
When eBay bought PayPal, eBay "encouraged" Sellers to offer it as a payment method. A lot did using their existing Personal account, (no fees). eBay listings weren't integrated with PayPal accounts so in the beginning it was a true option.
In short order eBay embarked on its long range plan to have all US transactions be PayPal only.
The first step was to was to "strongly encourage" buyers to open a PayPal account and use PayPal as an easy and safe payment method. There were not so subtle hints that any other payment method wasn't safe. eBay did a good job with buyers. Buyers mostly "assumed" that all Sellers offered PayPal. As eBay planned Sellers who didn't offer PayPal were having problems with Buyers.
It is worth noting that eBay made no effort to tell Buyers that Sellers had the choice of *not* accepting PayPal. eBay also made no effort to let buyers know that Sellers who didn't accept PayPal weren't by definition dishonest.
In response to buyer complaints, (see above) eBay added a PayPal icon next to a listing along with the ability to Search for "PayPal Only" listings. Reinforcing to buyers that Sellers who accepted PayPal were "honest", and putting more pressure on Sellers to accept PayPal.
The move to present Buyers with PayPal Only Search results gave eBay the excuse to integrate and link eBay account info with PayPal account info. (eBay was planning ahead for later moves).
Then came eBay Checkout with PayPal as the first payment option. Giving the Buyer the impression that if the Seller didn't accept PayPal, use it anyway. The Seller could claim the payment by opening a PayPal account. Indeed, a lot of buyers assumed that Sellers would open accounts, and sent PayPal payments. It was a mess with Sellers rejecting PayPal payments with the offer to open an account creating more eBay instigated Buyer problems for Sellers.
The beauty of PayPal from eBay's perspective is that anyone can send a payment to anyone and if the person receiving the payment doesn't have an account they have to create one to accept the payment.
This was a huge move by eBay to get to PayPal only. Because to this point a Seller could still opt out of offering PayPal, and opt out of eBay Checkout altogether and communicate with a buyer directly about payment.
This big move didn't go unnoticed. Sellers who used third party checkout out most often with their own Merchant accounts were in an uproar, as were small Sellers who saw eBay Checkout as trying to force PayPal on them. eBay backed off using eBay Checkout and Sellers could opt out, (only if you didn't offer PayPal). eBay learned that they couldn't be so direct to get to get to PayPal only.
So about this time eBay rolled Stores with the requirement that Stores accept PayPal and use eBay checkout. Maybe they didn't get all listing using PayPal and checkout, but they got a big chunk with Stores.
Now that eBay had its foot in the door getting Sellers to accept PayPal they then went onto making sure Sellers were going to start paying eBay fees to accept PayPal.
Up until this time Sellers had Personal accounts to accept PayPal, (no fees). When PayPal was started it was advertised as "free for life". PayPal would make money on the "float". eBay would have none of that nonsense. What was the point of buying PayPal if not to soak the Sellers for more fees ?
So eBay mandated that a Seller who accepted PayPal had a dollar amount limit on payments they could recieve in their Personal account. Above that limit a Seller had to "upgrade" from their Personal account, (no fees), to a Premier account, (fees).
Since the eBay and PayPal account info was integrated, (see above), a Seller would get a message that in order to accept payment they had to upgrade to Premier on the spot, that very moment. If the Seller didn't know about the upgrade mandate, the Seller had no choice but to upgrade and pay fees. If they didn't they risked being suspended or NARUed.
eBay didn't waste a lot of time with the dollar limit and upgrade rule to PayPal Premier, (and fees).
After being frog marched to the Premier upgrade, eBay eliminated the dollar amount rule to upgrade from a Personal account and required all Sellers to upgrade to a Premier or Merchant account, (with fees on even the shipping costs too).
In conjunction with the all Sellers must upgrade to Premier or Merchant account announcement was that that if a Seller had a PayPal account, and wanted to sell on eBay, then PayPal was required to be offered as a payment method, upgraded to a Premier or merchant account, of course.
Next up was forcing eBay sellers with PayPal listing to accept credit card payments. Sellers still had the choice of accepting only cash transfer, or e-checks, (fees, but not as high as credit card fees). As usual eBay claimed Buyers were complaining that some Sellers wouldn't accept credit card payments through PayPal.
So eBay told Sellers that to keep buyers happy all Sellers who accepted PayPal were required to accept credit card payments, (and pay higher fees than cash transfers or e-checks).
eBay's plan was going well. eBay had gotten from buying PayPal to integrating it with eBay Sellers accounts, requiring Sellers to have a Premier or Merchant account if they offer PayPal, forcing Sellers to accept all forms of PayPal payments including credit cards, and finally forcing all Sellers with PayPal accounts to offer it as a payment option.
The next logical step was to was to require all new Sellers to accept PayPal.
eBay wasted no time. Without fanfare, anyone who registered to open and account on eBay, as either a Buyer or Seller, was required to have a PayPal account. If they didn't have a PayPal account they had to register with PayPal at the same time as creating an eBay account.
What eBay didn't say was this required that all new Sellers to accept PayPal. They didn't find out until after registration that if they tried to list to sell that the rule was that if you had a PayPal account you had to accept PayPal for payment, and, if you opened a Personal account at registration you had to upgrade to Premier or Merchant, (with fees) to list and sell.
eBay reached most of its goal of PayPal only in the US. To reach its final goal would take a little longer. this mostly by Seller attrition.
eBay tweaked the PayPal requirements over time so that you can have a Personal account and a Premier account, although each account must have separate e-mail addresses and separate bank account information.
eBay tweaked Checkout so that it is required but can be by-passed for a Sellers own Merchant account, (although with the message that eBay safe buying doesn't apply since it isn't PayPal).
As it is now the only Sellers who list on eBay US without PayPal are the old timers from before about 1999 who were grandfathered in to the changes and held out with no PayPal.
But eBay has been picking them off at a steady clip. Either forcing them to accept PayPal or to leave eBay by instituting thee Best Match "finding experience". Best Match is a convoluted eBay criteria that includes offering PayPal as a payment option. Listings without PayPal get very little, if any, exposure in Search results. You can't sell what a buyer can't find.
There is also another new convoluted eBay criteria that allows eBay to hold PayPal payments to certain Sellers for 21 days, (at the discretion of eBay/PayPal). (It is complicated and no one really understands how it will or does works, or what the consequences will be to Sellers. The only thing known for sure is that eBay still gets the fees).
PayPal only has little to do with "safe buying and selling". It is about profits. Never forget the Prime Directive: Follow the Money.
So don't think for a nanosecond that eBay hasn't been or isn't continuing to try to force US Sellers to accept PayPal to get to PayPal Only.
What eBay is doing in the US is to get to "PayPal only" by draconian requirements causing Seller attrition, without risking legal action by stating that US eBay listings must be PayPal only.
PS: I am an old timer. I sold on eBay from 1997 through 2007. 100% positive feedback. A honest small seller who gave good service to buyers who appreciated personal service.
By 2007 I had enough of eBay crap. It was the best decision I ever made. I wouldn't sell on eBay again if eBay paid me.
Craigslist and eBay's relationship isn't doing very well. CL is suing them.
CraigsList vs. eBay: No Kumbaya in Kijiji-ville
By: Julia Wilkinson
Tue May 20 2008 22:01:45
The warm 'n' fuzzies are gone between craigslist and eBay. That is, assuming they were ever there to begin with. Craigslist is suing eBay, alleging that eBay used its minority shareholder status to glean proprietary information about craigslist that was used against it for the benefit of eBay's Kijiji.com classifieds site (referred to as a "craigslist killer" inside eBay, according to craigslist), unfair and unlawful competition, false advertising, and trademark infringement, among other things.
The text of the complaint unveils the juicy details. The marriage between the two sites (indeed, Meg Whitman referred to eBay's efforts to own part of craigslist as "a courtship") had issues from the start, as with many relationships where there is an unequal balance of power.
Craiglist (CL) had gotten cold feet initially, when in early discussions eBay allegedly wanted "blocking rights on all forms of corporate transactions..." and other rights not included in the minority interest. But when craigslist backed out of the deal, eBay pushed harder, inviting key CL execs to a meeting where eBay's then-CEO Meg Whitman made the case for the relationship. Whitman and other eBay execs allegedly referred to the companies' similar values and eBay founder Pierre Omidyar's "Code of Conduct."
She also emphasized how eBay could help CL on the matters of "trust and safety" and international environments.
But one of the things that impressed craigslist founder Craig Newmark and CEO Jim Buckmaster the most was eBay's "dedication to Pierre Omidyar's Community Values," with principles such as "We encourage you to treat others the way you want to be treated," which were similar to CL's own values.
(Interestingly, Buckmaster is described in his bio on the CL site as the "only CEO ever described as anti-establishment, a communist, and a socialistic anarchist.")
Newmark and Buckmaster were also swayed by Omidyar's philanthropy, according to the complaint, and found "extremely exciting" the prospect of having him on the CL board. Buckmaster even went so far as to conjecture that with Pierre and Craig on the same board, "i don't think i exaggerate in suggesting that the ensuing collaboration could have far-reaching positive implications for humanity, not to mention our respective organizations and communities." (They don't seem to like capital letters at craigslist).
But among all the kumbaya, some troubling things are alleged to have occurred which don't reflect the adage of doing unto others as you'd have them do unto you. CL says that at one point, Meg Whitman and eBay's then-CEO Rajiv Dutta purchased an option to acquire the Minority Interest from the former CL shareholder who held it, "thus precluding cl from finding an alternate home for the interest." And CL apparently had an alternative investor interested, who had already submitted a term sheet in connection with the possible acquisition.
But they still seemed off to an optimistic start, until problems arose, which CL alleges include eBay's pressuring for additional equity; planting the idea that CL would become a wholly-owned subsidiary of eBay, as other small companies had; and a claim that eBay should not have to pay for its large volume of job-posting advertisements which they placed on craigslist.
But arguably the biggest concerns were about eBay's use of craigslist's info and name to give a boost to its own startup classifieds web site, Kijiji.com. If there is an element of humor in the complaint, it is the screen shots of the Google ads eBay allegedly ran using links to "Craigslist.org.", "Craigslist.com," and "www.Craigslist.org," with subtext such as "Compare Kijiji and Craigslist.org." The people who then clicked on the links were supposedly taken not to craigslist but to Kijiji, eBay. or eBay.ca, the eBay Canadian site.
Craigslist seeks a judgment and injunctive relief, including the suggestion that eBay may have to divest its interests in the company.
It will all get duked out (or settled) in the courts, but the questions linger in the air: was eBay's behavior disingenuous, or was it merely being aggressive? Does eBay really stand by its community values which it has held dear since the early Pierre days? Are those values only meant for the communities within eBay’s holdings, and not for corporate behavior? Who will ultimately prevail in the online classifieds space, craigslist or kijiji (or someone else)?
In her early presentation to Craigslist, Whitman had allegedly noted that one of her sons had found an apartment using the site. One is reminded of the question at the beginning of the erstwhile tv show "The Odd Couple": "Can two grown men share an apartment without driving each other crazy?"
Well the auctions end today and that will be the last time I do any business on ebay unless things change. From now on everything goes in the dumpster.
So one of the guys has been saving scrap metal that he was going to turn in for money. He calls me last night. He put a total of 5 hours into collecting the stuff and 50 bucks in gas to make 140 bucks. He said he will be throwing everything in the dumpster from now on.
I told him just imagine if you had put a scratch in your new 45k truck. He said he would have thrown the money on the ground and left if that happened.
So one of the guys has been saving scrap metal that he was going to turn in for money. He calls me last night. He put a total of 5 hours into collecting the stuff and 50 bucks in gas to make 140 bucks. He said he will be throwing everything in the dumpster from now on.
I told him just imagine if you had put a scratch in your new 45k truck. He said he would have thrown the money on the ground and left if that happened.
I read the thread quickly and I thought you were selling a Bally gym door. I asked myself, what the hell is that? I had to google to figure what you were selling. Google knew it was a Bally door gym though.
My eyes play tricks on me this late obviously.
My eyes play tricks on me this late obviously.
Steve, there are alternatives to ebay. Right now obviously none of them are anywhere near as large, but there are a LOT of people bailing from ebay and looking for alternatives, so these sites are growing. I looked into eCrater (which this blog claims is #3, but it appears they are only moving 500 items a day which is a joke). I'm not sure how much volume #2 is doing, but I'm all for taking eBay down. Both my wife and I are rated 99%+ (actually 100% now with their rating policy changes) with over 700 transactions between us, and it's getting to the point where it's not worth it. She mostly sells baby/kid items in the $2-$10 range and between the posting fees, final value fees and paypal fees, it's becoming a waste of her time.
Anyway, here's the blog I read about alternatives
http://ericarlson.blogspot.com/2008/02/ebay-alternative-finding-auction-sites.html
Anyway, here's the blog I read about alternatives
http://ericarlson.blogspot.com/2008/02/ebay-alternative-finding-auction-sites.html
oops, forget #2 on that list. I guess there really is no ebay alternative at the moment if ecrater is #3 (and now #2)
This is the bidville home page now:
As of today, May 27, 2008, no additional auctions will be listed and no new sellers will be certified. Guests can still register for Bidville through the “Register Now” button, which will remain active and allow users to bid in open auctions until June 13, 2008, when existing auctions will close.
This is the bidville home page now:
As of today, May 27, 2008, no additional auctions will be listed and no new sellers will be certified. Guests can still register for Bidville through the “Register Now” button, which will remain active and allow users to bid in open auctions until June 13, 2008, when existing auctions will close.
Post a complaint about eBay, and a complaint about Creative Fitness through BBB. It will warn other consumers.
Goodwill will come to your location to retrieve things. You never have to touch the items. At least SOMEONE would get some benefit instead of having more stuff going into the landfills.
That's why I was suggesting freecycle, but Goodwill will only come to take very specific things. I gave up on Goodwill unless it's small enough to drop off at a box. If it's worth some $$$, we'll drop it off at Salvation Army and get a donation receipt.
Don't forget that some items you buy are technically licensed. Software always falls into this category. If you read the Terms and Conditions page you'll see that you are unable to resell software that you purchase.
I'd be shocked if a door gym had resell restrictions, but Bally seems to be playing hardball in trying to keep their share of the market and prevent resale. A courtroom is probably the only place that will really change this tactic and no one is going to pony up the money for that trip.
i was a ebay seller before. doing it for almost 2 yrs. now i have to stop because of their idiotic policies. ebay has ton of policies to limit those sellers to grow larger and larger. the same situation happened on many people.
let's say this, u list some abercrombie & fitch shorts, if the photo is taken officially by A&F, if A&F reports to ebay, your listing got cancelled. sometimes listing involves a company's name, your listing got cancelled by violating trade mark. it's stupid. many people selling fake on ebay. it's their way to limit the number of fake items there. but they cannot prevent all of them since they want money from those fags. like Louis vuitton. i remember 2-3 yrs ago, there are ton of them there. now each category has like 50 or less.
i even heard that a jewel company sued ebay for someone who sold fake items there. man. ebay being an asshole now because they have been famous enough. they dont need that many sellers now.
for other sites, like ioffer.com, u can list whatever u want. they can be fake LV, A&F. no one cares about it. it's the business. ebay is earning money, but they are aware that those company like LV,A&F would file lawsuit against their web for fake items. anythign include in trademark.
let's say this, u list some abercrombie & fitch shorts, if the photo is taken officially by A&F, if A&F reports to ebay, your listing got cancelled. sometimes listing involves a company's name, your listing got cancelled by violating trade mark. it's stupid. many people selling fake on ebay. it's their way to limit the number of fake items there. but they cannot prevent all of them since they want money from those fags. like Louis vuitton. i remember 2-3 yrs ago, there are ton of them there. now each category has like 50 or less.
i even heard that a jewel company sued ebay for someone who sold fake items there. man. ebay being an asshole now because they have been famous enough. they dont need that many sellers now.
for other sites, like ioffer.com, u can list whatever u want. they can be fake LV, A&F. no one cares about it. it's the business. ebay is earning money, but they are aware that those company like LV,A&F would file lawsuit against their web for fake items. anythign include in trademark.
that's true. like DELL computer. u agree not resell. my friend trying to sell it before. got shut down. and asked me for selling it for him.
5 years ago. nobody cares if u selling fake items on ebay because ebay wants to get more famous. you earn much money from each fake items. seriously. sweet profit. and u wont get caught by FBI, POLICE, or sheriff. LOL
Today,believe or not, u list anything that has sensitive trademark.no matter it's either fake or authentic. no matter u list, IT"S AUTHENTIC ,purchased in store. has paper work, still got shut down sometimes.
Today,believe or not, u list anything that has sensitive trademark.no matter it's either fake or authentic. no matter u list, IT"S AUTHENTIC ,purchased in store. has paper work, still got shut down sometimes.
when i place my dell orders, there's a checkbox that asks whether you intend to resell or not... i'm just sure what happens if i check i intend to resell......
i've never heard you can't resell a used dell computer though and i don't recall reading anything that says you cant when you receive a new one. i have two new laptops arriving tomorrow from dell, i'll look to see if there's any terms about that.
u know what. few months ago, i was trying to order some A&F shirts, shorts.
every order is limited to 15 items only. no more than that. after ordering a few times, my last order got cancelled. LOL. that even pissed me off
they gave me e mail, it said that my order intended to resell.lol. they need to protect their stupid trademark. what a dumb crap.
we all know that there are millions of people who selling fake items in china. a lot of people from foreign countires like to travel there and buy a lot of them. there is a huge market for those shit because some real crap are selling at a ridiculous price. 50 bucks for A&F t shirt. for a fake one, it's like 6 bucks,LOL. and it's almost same. which one will u pick.
every order is limited to 15 items only. no more than that. after ordering a few times, my last order got cancelled. LOL. that even pissed me off
they gave me e mail, it said that my order intended to resell.lol. they need to protect their stupid trademark. what a dumb crap.
we all know that there are millions of people who selling fake items in china. a lot of people from foreign countires like to travel there and buy a lot of them. there is a huge market for those shit because some real crap are selling at a ridiculous price. 50 bucks for A&F t shirt. for a fake one, it's like 6 bucks,LOL. and it's almost same. which one will u pick.
That checkbox is used for something else:
a) You may be eligible for a tax free purchase if you resell, assuming you collect and pay sales tax in the process.
b) There are restrictions in regards to the resale or distribution of computers to some foreign countries, I believe.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/biztech/08/20/ebay.fees.ap/index.html
EBay hopes new rule changes will placate sellers
NEW YORK (AP) -- Some people who sell things on eBay are fed up with new rules the company has been imposing in hopes of making the auction site more attractive to online shoppers. Now even more changes are coming in the next few weeks, but this time eBay Inc. hopes it can cool tempers.
EBay is tweaking its online marketplace in hopes of satisfying some frustrated sellers.
EBay is tweaking its online marketplace in hopes of satisfying some frustrated sellers.
Already this year, eBay has tinkered with its fee structure, search results and feedback system. These efforts might be meeting eBay's aims of improving the experience for buyers, but several sellers say their relationship with eBay is worse than ever, and some have left the site entirely.
Jonathan Garriss, executive director of the Professional eBay Sellers Alliance and head of Gotham City Online, which sells shoes on eBay, said his group's members are seeing fewer of their listed items sell, and lower average prices for things that do sell.
EBay has been rejigging its vast Internet marketplace in hopes of turning around a troubling trend: Its number of active users is barely rising. In the most recent quarter, the figure rose 1.4 percent to 84.5 million.
One big change came in January, when eBay altered its complex fee structure and said it was trying to encourage sellers to offer more items for sale, which in turn could attract more buyers.
Generally, eBay cut the fees it charges for listing an item, but raised its commissions on completed sales of products auctioned for less than $1,000 or sold at fixed prices lower than $100. Meanwhile, the company began taking a lesser bite out of higher-end fixed-price sales -- as much as 4 percent instead of a previous maximum of 5 percent.
At the time, eBay said more than 60 percent of its sellers would save money under the new rules. But plenty of complaints poured in. EBay responded by cutting listing fees by as much as half for items in its "media" category -- such as books and DVDs -- that sell for under $25.
Still, many sellers were still unhappy that unlike in the past -- when eBay consistently talked of a level playing field for brand-name companies and weekend attic-raiders alike -- a new top tier of vendors seems to have an easier time flooding the marketplace.
Under a new "Diamond PowerSeller" plan, the highest-volume merchants may be eligible for reduced fees. One Diamond PowerSeller, Buy.com Inc., is offering so many goods on eBay that many sellers suspect Buy.com is listing items practically for free. EBay won't comment on Buy.com's arrangement.
Buy.com's listings also emphasize eBay's move toward sales with set prices rather than its traditional auction format. EBay says auctions are not going away, but fixed-price sales are the fastest-growing part of the company's marketplace, increasing 60 percent a year.
And more changes are afoot. EBay announced Wednesday that starting Sept. 16, it will let U.S. sellers pay 35 cents to list an unlimited number of identical items at a set price, for a month at a time. Previously, fixed-price listing fees could run as high as $4 per item, and the listings were good for a week.
EBay also plans to move nearly all transactions to electronic payment methods. Beginning in the U.S. in mid-October, users will have to pay by credit card, PayPal or the credit card processing service ProPay. No more cash, checks or money orders -- which account for less than 10 percent of eBay transactions these days -- unless sellers and buyers meet in person.
EBay's president of marketplace operations, Lorrie Norrington, acknowledged there has been "a lot of change" this year. But she said the company carefully considered the moves and believes they are improving buyers' experience because "the best values from trusted sellers become better and better."
For some sellers, like Michael Knight, who dismantles motorcycles and sells the parts on eBay from Garland, Texas, the sheer volume of recent adjustments has been frustrating.
"I have no control. I have to comply with anything they choose to do and I have no voice in the matter," he said.
Knight would like to move off eBay, but says it's difficult to transfer his listings to another site. Other sites will not easily accept the photos embedded in his item descriptions, and modifying every one of his almost 4,000 listings "is just not practical."
"I'd be giving up a month's income to get that done. That's the only thing that's keeping me on eBay -- the inconvenience of leaving," he said.
Bruce Hershenson of West Plains, Mississippi, had spent 10 years selling vintage movie posters on eBay. Instead he now does that twice a week on his own site, eMoviePoster.com, using technology offered by AuctionAnything.com Inc.
"I talk to other people who have done what I did and they're happy with their decision. They've been able to get their business to the eBay business levels or beyond," Hershenson said.
His poster auctions on eBay had started at 99 cents each, so under the fee structure eBay imposed in January, he would have paid 15 cents to list each poster, down from 20 cents. But his average poster sold for $50, and eBay's take on that sale price would rise to about $3.07, from about $2.12 previously.
Even with a discount he could get by keeping his customer-feedback ratings high, he expected to pay eBay almost $20,000 more per year.
Sellers have also bristled at changes in eBay's feedback policy, one of the site's traditional hallmarks. In the spring, the company removed sellers' ability to leave negative or neutral feedback for buyers, though buyers can still offer negative assessments of sellers. EBay also adjusted its search engine so that items being hawked by people with poorer feedback ratings come up lower in search results.
Some sellers complain that this put them at the mercy of unscrupulous buyers who try to take advantage of the rating system.
"Many times you feel like they're really pushing it to see if you'll give them some kind of a refund," said Bill Cartmel, who sells records on eBay from Lewiston, Maine. "They'll float the suggestion that 'This isn't exactly what I expected."'
EBay's Norrington said that sellers can report such abuse, and that the company has not seen it much.
Even with the rancor, some sellers clearly have benefited from eBay's changes. Steven Holt and his wife, Crystal, who sell DVDs from Denison, Iowa, say they've seen record sales since the spring, when eBay search results began favoring vendors who, like them, have high feedback ratings.
Yet Holt understands why some sellers may be upset. He notes that the uncertain effect of fee changes, combined with an iffy economy, "is naturally going to be a concern."
"When eBay makes these dramatic changes, it can make you very nervous," he said. "But again, eBay is doing what eBay believes it has to do to protect its marketplace."
EBay hopes new rule changes will placate sellers
NEW YORK (AP) -- Some people who sell things on eBay are fed up with new rules the company has been imposing in hopes of making the auction site more attractive to online shoppers. Now even more changes are coming in the next few weeks, but this time eBay Inc. hopes it can cool tempers.
EBay is tweaking its online marketplace in hopes of satisfying some frustrated sellers.
EBay is tweaking its online marketplace in hopes of satisfying some frustrated sellers.
Already this year, eBay has tinkered with its fee structure, search results and feedback system. These efforts might be meeting eBay's aims of improving the experience for buyers, but several sellers say their relationship with eBay is worse than ever, and some have left the site entirely.
Jonathan Garriss, executive director of the Professional eBay Sellers Alliance and head of Gotham City Online, which sells shoes on eBay, said his group's members are seeing fewer of their listed items sell, and lower average prices for things that do sell.
EBay has been rejigging its vast Internet marketplace in hopes of turning around a troubling trend: Its number of active users is barely rising. In the most recent quarter, the figure rose 1.4 percent to 84.5 million.
One big change came in January, when eBay altered its complex fee structure and said it was trying to encourage sellers to offer more items for sale, which in turn could attract more buyers.
Generally, eBay cut the fees it charges for listing an item, but raised its commissions on completed sales of products auctioned for less than $1,000 or sold at fixed prices lower than $100. Meanwhile, the company began taking a lesser bite out of higher-end fixed-price sales -- as much as 4 percent instead of a previous maximum of 5 percent.
At the time, eBay said more than 60 percent of its sellers would save money under the new rules. But plenty of complaints poured in. EBay responded by cutting listing fees by as much as half for items in its "media" category -- such as books and DVDs -- that sell for under $25.
Still, many sellers were still unhappy that unlike in the past -- when eBay consistently talked of a level playing field for brand-name companies and weekend attic-raiders alike -- a new top tier of vendors seems to have an easier time flooding the marketplace.
Under a new "Diamond PowerSeller" plan, the highest-volume merchants may be eligible for reduced fees. One Diamond PowerSeller, Buy.com Inc., is offering so many goods on eBay that many sellers suspect Buy.com is listing items practically for free. EBay won't comment on Buy.com's arrangement.
Buy.com's listings also emphasize eBay's move toward sales with set prices rather than its traditional auction format. EBay says auctions are not going away, but fixed-price sales are the fastest-growing part of the company's marketplace, increasing 60 percent a year.
And more changes are afoot. EBay announced Wednesday that starting Sept. 16, it will let U.S. sellers pay 35 cents to list an unlimited number of identical items at a set price, for a month at a time. Previously, fixed-price listing fees could run as high as $4 per item, and the listings were good for a week.
EBay also plans to move nearly all transactions to electronic payment methods. Beginning in the U.S. in mid-October, users will have to pay by credit card, PayPal or the credit card processing service ProPay. No more cash, checks or money orders -- which account for less than 10 percent of eBay transactions these days -- unless sellers and buyers meet in person.
EBay's president of marketplace operations, Lorrie Norrington, acknowledged there has been "a lot of change" this year. But she said the company carefully considered the moves and believes they are improving buyers' experience because "the best values from trusted sellers become better and better."
For some sellers, like Michael Knight, who dismantles motorcycles and sells the parts on eBay from Garland, Texas, the sheer volume of recent adjustments has been frustrating.
"I have no control. I have to comply with anything they choose to do and I have no voice in the matter," he said.
Knight would like to move off eBay, but says it's difficult to transfer his listings to another site. Other sites will not easily accept the photos embedded in his item descriptions, and modifying every one of his almost 4,000 listings "is just not practical."
"I'd be giving up a month's income to get that done. That's the only thing that's keeping me on eBay -- the inconvenience of leaving," he said.
Bruce Hershenson of West Plains, Mississippi, had spent 10 years selling vintage movie posters on eBay. Instead he now does that twice a week on his own site, eMoviePoster.com, using technology offered by AuctionAnything.com Inc.
"I talk to other people who have done what I did and they're happy with their decision. They've been able to get their business to the eBay business levels or beyond," Hershenson said.
His poster auctions on eBay had started at 99 cents each, so under the fee structure eBay imposed in January, he would have paid 15 cents to list each poster, down from 20 cents. But his average poster sold for $50, and eBay's take on that sale price would rise to about $3.07, from about $2.12 previously.
Even with a discount he could get by keeping his customer-feedback ratings high, he expected to pay eBay almost $20,000 more per year.
Sellers have also bristled at changes in eBay's feedback policy, one of the site's traditional hallmarks. In the spring, the company removed sellers' ability to leave negative or neutral feedback for buyers, though buyers can still offer negative assessments of sellers. EBay also adjusted its search engine so that items being hawked by people with poorer feedback ratings come up lower in search results.
Some sellers complain that this put them at the mercy of unscrupulous buyers who try to take advantage of the rating system.
"Many times you feel like they're really pushing it to see if you'll give them some kind of a refund," said Bill Cartmel, who sells records on eBay from Lewiston, Maine. "They'll float the suggestion that 'This isn't exactly what I expected."'
EBay's Norrington said that sellers can report such abuse, and that the company has not seen it much.
Even with the rancor, some sellers clearly have benefited from eBay's changes. Steven Holt and his wife, Crystal, who sell DVDs from Denison, Iowa, say they've seen record sales since the spring, when eBay search results began favoring vendors who, like them, have high feedback ratings.
Yet Holt understands why some sellers may be upset. He notes that the uncertain effect of fee changes, combined with an iffy economy, "is naturally going to be a concern."
"When eBay makes these dramatic changes, it can make you very nervous," he said. "But again, eBay is doing what eBay believes it has to do to protect its marketplace."
ebay, craigslist, and goodwill all SUCK.
how do people even make money by owning craigslist? let alone having shares in it. selling is horrible, buying is horrible, 98% retarded craigslist population.
and whats up with goodwill? i remember being able to just drop stuff off with no problem, a couple months ago i was helping my brother move, so while he was at work his roomate and myself loaded up a lawn mower and washing machine to take to goodwill(oldschool bigscreen tv wouldnt fit in the truck on the first trip thank god) we get to goodwill and they wouldnt take the washer because they dont take washers anymore, they wouldnt take the lawnmower because it had gas in it, and i forget why the hell they dont take tv's, so we had to go back to the house, unload it onto the driveway and my brother posted it on craigslist for free and eventualy people picked the shit up
goodwill must be "toogood for stuff will" now
ebay, craigslist, and goodwill all SUCK.
how do people even make money by owning craigslist? let alone having shares in it. selling is horrible, buying is horrible, 98% retarded craigslist population.
and whats up with goodwill? i remember being able to just drop stuff off with no problem, a couple months ago i was helping my brother move, so while he was at work his roomate and myself loaded up a lawn mower and washing machine to take to goodwill(oldschool bigscreen tv wouldnt fit in the truck on the first trip thank god) we get to goodwill and they wouldnt take the washer because they dont take washers anymore, they wouldnt take the lawnmower because it had gas in it, and i forget why the hell they dont take tv's, so we had to go back to the house, unload it onto the driveway and my brother posted it on craigslist for free and eventualy people picked the shit up
goodwill must be "toogood for stuff will" now
They only want the good stuff or as I see it they want to beg AND choose. Pretty much the way the people who shop at good will got the attitude they now have.
The trash companies tried to limit me as to what I could put in the dumpsters. I told them if THEY wanted to THEY could sort through the crap but we weren't going to. I told them for what I pay them a year I am not going to do their job too. I want to get rid of the crap easily not have it be a big hassle.
I think before too long we will see a lot more illegal dumping.
The city has a toxic pickup once per year, ONCE!!! How the hell am I suppose to store left behind batteries, paint, oil, antifreeze, etc for a year? Where should I keep crap like that?
i dont know how the waste companies work out there, but i would try to make freinds with one of the guys on your route, do they just back in with the trucks that pick up the dumpsters or do they actualy get out of thier trucks?
strike up a little conversation, maybe slip them a 20, bring them some cold gatorade or monster energy drinks, or a hooker if the dudes really ugly and fat:tongue:
i know some garbage men, and theyre simple people, its like getting a free sandwhich from a subwy employee
might also ask them about what the best way to dispose of batteries and such,
i would recomend not mentioning that you drive a ferrari, and dont wear too many rolex's while you talk to them:biggrin:
strike up a little conversation, maybe slip them a 20, bring them some cold gatorade or monster energy drinks, or a hooker if the dudes really ugly and fat:tongue:
i know some garbage men, and theyre simple people, its like getting a free sandwhich from a subwy employee
might also ask them about what the best way to dispose of batteries and such,
i would recomend not mentioning that you drive a ferrari, and dont wear too many rolex's while you talk to them:biggrin:
and wtf when i search on ebay now the listings always display as newly listed first? god dam thats annoying
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