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Thanks Eddie !
I'm going to be in the San Diego area, Vista actually, from 10/19 to the morning of 10/23 and staying at Nicks house, (Applied Motorsports) working on my motor and making some changes to the NSX.
If you have the time to come out that way, you can check out Nicks shop and we can get together for lunch or dinner.
I'm going to be in the San Diego area, Vista actually, from 10/19 to the morning of 10/23 and staying at Nicks house, (Applied Motorsports) working on my motor and making some changes to the NSX.
If you have the time to come out that way, you can check out Nicks shop and we can get together for lunch or dinner.
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Cool brother...would love to see you.
It's been in:
Modified Magazine: August 2010
Import Tuner: October & December 2010 and January 2011 coming with the results from the Top Car Challenge and what happened.
Then I can talk about what what went on with the competition, good and bad and what I learned from it
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Thank you very much !
Sure has been a lot of never ending work that continues.
Modified Magazine: August 2010
Import Tuner: October & December 2010 and January 2011 coming with the results from the Top Car Challenge and what happened.
Then I can talk about what what went on with the competition, good and bad and what I learned from it
...Thank you very much !
Sure has been a lot of never ending work that continues.
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Don't forget the August 2010 issue of Import Tuner! That's the one where they first announced they picked you for the Castrol Syntec Top Car Challenge.
It's been in:
Modified Magazine: August 2010
Import Tuner: October & December 2010 and January 2011 coming with the results from the Top Car Challenge and what happened.
Then I can talk about what what went on with the competition, good and bad and what I learned from it
Thank you very much !
Sure has been a lot of never ending work that continues.
LOL...thanks my boy...dad's doing the best he can to remember everything in emt-p right now.
forgot that one. do we even have a copy ?
forgot that one. do we even have a copy ?
I followed tread from start and have to say beauty.When I saw that short movie I'm even more surprised whit look.Very very nice.
Thank you Sandro, it's been a labor of love....
Many more changes and improvements taking place right now...
We are getting closer to having it back on the road soon...
Many more changes and improvements taking place right now...
We are getting closer to having it back on the road soon...
SuperSteet Magazine Released the charts of the scores and places of finish in the Castrol Syntec Top Car Challenge.
We finished 5th with no points awarded for the Time Attack part of the competition.
There was talk about letting us use the 2:00 minute first and only lap time during practice we logged before this happened.
With 170 points for this, we would have funished 2nd.
Guess they decided against it which is ok since we didn't offically turn a qualified TA lap for time.
The full story will be out in Januray's issue of Import Tuner Magazine due out any time now.
Bottom line is we blew a tunnel hose in the practice laps of the TA which dumped all the cooling fluid, which then lifted the heads and then detonated the motor before we could do anything about it.
We should have finished at least second, if not won the event...
It was heart breaking considering we were doing very well up until this happened...
We finished 5th with no points awarded for the Time Attack part of the competition.
There was talk about letting us use the 2:00 minute first and only lap time during practice we logged before this happened.
With 170 points for this, we would have funished 2nd.
Guess they decided against it which is ok since we didn't offically turn a qualified TA lap for time.
The full story will be out in Januray's issue of Import Tuner Magazine due out any time now.
Bottom line is we blew a tunnel hose in the practice laps of the TA which dumped all the cooling fluid, which then lifted the heads and then detonated the motor before we could do anything about it.
We should have finished at least second, if not won the event...
It was heart breaking considering we were doing very well up until this happened...
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I just saw this in magazine stands last night.
Holy crap that's it? Common Jim you have to tell us a bit more. What's the present condition of the car?
Holy crap that's it? Common Jim you have to tell us a bit more. What's the present condition of the car?
Sorry to hear about the engine, but the you and the car did great otherwise! That's such a beautiful beast.
Dave
Dave
What happened….
Mike from Autowave and I went through the car the weekend before the competition. We did a final tune, changed all the fluids and installed a new thermostat. Everything looked good, we made great power/torq and felt we were ready as we were ever going to be.
Everything was going great through the competition, we were doing very well. Nothing showed us there was any problems going on. The morning of the TA part of the event, we warmed the car up and everything looked good, even though in the braking test the day before, we all had to let someone else drive this part, the guy doing it locked up my brakes several times and put flat spots on my front tires, idiot.
Matt Andrews took the car out for some timed practice laps. I asked Matt to drive for me during the TA part of the event since all the other competitors had professional drivers driving their cars in the TA part of the event. Matt went out on the track and did 1 practice lap warming the car up, the lap time was 2 minutes flat not pushing the car. Then Matt started the 2nd lap and really pushing the car. After about ¾ of the lap we could see the car slowing down a lot and Matt came back into the hot pits and asked how hot I wanted to allow the car to get. I looked down at the gauges and the water temp was at 265, the oil temp was over 300 and the over flow coolant bottle was screaming like someone was killing it.
We shut the car down and brought it back into the paddock area. The motor was so hot the paint on the valve covers was boiling and there was not a drop of fluid in the cooling system. We assumed that the thermostat might have gone south since we had just put it in and figured it may have been faulty. We started cooling everything down with water from a hose. Then we pulled the thermostat, cut the center of the thermostat out and put the gasket area back in. We filled the cooling system, and started the car. Surprising, the car started right up and was running smooth and still had good power. We bleed the system and let it sit and idle for 20 minutes. The water never got over 180 and the oil temp held steady at 186. We thought we were ok.
So Matt took the car back out for the last practice session, was about ½ a lap into it and next thing we saw was him driving across the infield back to the hot pits. The motor was screaming hot again.
We put the car up on stands and really started looking around trying to find what the problem was when we noticed the tunnel cover under the car was partially off. So we took it off completely and that’s when we found the problem. One of the tunnel rubber hoses blew apart and was dropped all the cooling fluid. (picture of the hose attached) We scrambled around like madmen and Fes from FXMD found a hose that would work. We put it on, filled the system up, bleed it and everything once again looked good. We never noticed the tunnel area was actually leaking water the first time around since there was water all over the place from trying to cool the motor down the first time around. Big mistake….
Now came the actual TA timed laps. Matt took the car out and started to push it and it over heated again ½ lap into it, it was too late, we had already lifted the heads from earlier, the damage was done and it was over of us.
There was a discussion between all the competitors and it was agreed on by all of us that we would be allowed to use the 2 minute flat lap time we did in practice as our official lap time in the competition. At first it was agreed on by Elliot from Sorce magazine was well. But as it turns out, that’s not what was allowed to happen. I can understand why, if you look at the times and points awarded for the TA part of the competition, the Honda S2000 ran right at 2 minutes flat and received 170 points for their time. If I was allowed to use my 2 minute practice time, this would have given us also 170 points. With this 170 points, we would have finished 2nd over all in the competition with 908 points, which really wouldn’t have looked good considering we never completed a official competition lap time in the TA part of the event. Had we run the lap time of under 1:56 we expected to do, we would have won.
It was heartbreaking to come so far and get so close and have it end the way it did.….
As for the motor….The motor was detonated. We cooked all the pistons and melted just about everything rubber or plastic on it. However, what was really amazing is the Rods, Crank, Heads, Cams, Block and pretty much everything else was in perfect shape. The actual Rod & Crank Bearings looked almost perfect. We attributed this to the fact we were running Mobile 1 motorcycle oil, which I am now a very firm believer in and will always run it in my car. It says a lot for any oil that can withstand 300+ degrees temp and not throw a piston through the block. Various pictures of the pieces attached.
Nick and I from Applied Motorsports are now rebuilding the motor. We are making several changes as well. I am going to E-85 for track use from now on. So many upgrades are in the process to the systems that will over all help protect the motor, make it run better and safer. The plan is to keep the car right at 600 rwhp and then turn our focus on suspension and handling from this point forward.
It’s all a learning experience, an expensive one at that…but we are pushing forward and will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future. I have also decided that from now on, no one drives my car anymore in any competitions. I will drive it myself…no matter how I do, I would rather finish last that to allow anyone to ever cook my motor again like this. Not that I might not have done the same thing, but at least I know my car, watch my gauges and know I would have backed out of it before it got the point it did. I’ve tracked my car enough to know what’s going on and what to look for when I am behind the wheel of it.
The car should be done in January sometime and then Nick and I will take it out to Spring Mountain for testing…then it’s on to 2011 and some more events to compete in.
Mike from Autowave and I went through the car the weekend before the competition. We did a final tune, changed all the fluids and installed a new thermostat. Everything looked good, we made great power/torq and felt we were ready as we were ever going to be.
Everything was going great through the competition, we were doing very well. Nothing showed us there was any problems going on. The morning of the TA part of the event, we warmed the car up and everything looked good, even though in the braking test the day before, we all had to let someone else drive this part, the guy doing it locked up my brakes several times and put flat spots on my front tires, idiot.
Matt Andrews took the car out for some timed practice laps. I asked Matt to drive for me during the TA part of the event since all the other competitors had professional drivers driving their cars in the TA part of the event. Matt went out on the track and did 1 practice lap warming the car up, the lap time was 2 minutes flat not pushing the car. Then Matt started the 2nd lap and really pushing the car. After about ¾ of the lap we could see the car slowing down a lot and Matt came back into the hot pits and asked how hot I wanted to allow the car to get. I looked down at the gauges and the water temp was at 265, the oil temp was over 300 and the over flow coolant bottle was screaming like someone was killing it.
We shut the car down and brought it back into the paddock area. The motor was so hot the paint on the valve covers was boiling and there was not a drop of fluid in the cooling system. We assumed that the thermostat might have gone south since we had just put it in and figured it may have been faulty. We started cooling everything down with water from a hose. Then we pulled the thermostat, cut the center of the thermostat out and put the gasket area back in. We filled the cooling system, and started the car. Surprising, the car started right up and was running smooth and still had good power. We bleed the system and let it sit and idle for 20 minutes. The water never got over 180 and the oil temp held steady at 186. We thought we were ok.
So Matt took the car back out for the last practice session, was about ½ a lap into it and next thing we saw was him driving across the infield back to the hot pits. The motor was screaming hot again.
We put the car up on stands and really started looking around trying to find what the problem was when we noticed the tunnel cover under the car was partially off. So we took it off completely and that’s when we found the problem. One of the tunnel rubber hoses blew apart and was dropped all the cooling fluid. (picture of the hose attached) We scrambled around like madmen and Fes from FXMD found a hose that would work. We put it on, filled the system up, bleed it and everything once again looked good. We never noticed the tunnel area was actually leaking water the first time around since there was water all over the place from trying to cool the motor down the first time around. Big mistake….
Now came the actual TA timed laps. Matt took the car out and started to push it and it over heated again ½ lap into it, it was too late, we had already lifted the heads from earlier, the damage was done and it was over of us.
There was a discussion between all the competitors and it was agreed on by all of us that we would be allowed to use the 2 minute flat lap time we did in practice as our official lap time in the competition. At first it was agreed on by Elliot from Sorce magazine was well. But as it turns out, that’s not what was allowed to happen. I can understand why, if you look at the times and points awarded for the TA part of the competition, the Honda S2000 ran right at 2 minutes flat and received 170 points for their time. If I was allowed to use my 2 minute practice time, this would have given us also 170 points. With this 170 points, we would have finished 2nd over all in the competition with 908 points, which really wouldn’t have looked good considering we never completed a official competition lap time in the TA part of the event. Had we run the lap time of under 1:56 we expected to do, we would have won.
It was heartbreaking to come so far and get so close and have it end the way it did.….
As for the motor….The motor was detonated. We cooked all the pistons and melted just about everything rubber or plastic on it. However, what was really amazing is the Rods, Crank, Heads, Cams, Block and pretty much everything else was in perfect shape. The actual Rod & Crank Bearings looked almost perfect. We attributed this to the fact we were running Mobile 1 motorcycle oil, which I am now a very firm believer in and will always run it in my car. It says a lot for any oil that can withstand 300+ degrees temp and not throw a piston through the block. Various pictures of the pieces attached.
Nick and I from Applied Motorsports are now rebuilding the motor. We are making several changes as well. I am going to E-85 for track use from now on. So many upgrades are in the process to the systems that will over all help protect the motor, make it run better and safer. The plan is to keep the car right at 600 rwhp and then turn our focus on suspension and handling from this point forward.
It’s all a learning experience, an expensive one at that…but we are pushing forward and will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future. I have also decided that from now on, no one drives my car anymore in any competitions. I will drive it myself…no matter how I do, I would rather finish last that to allow anyone to ever cook my motor again like this. Not that I might not have done the same thing, but at least I know my car, watch my gauges and know I would have backed out of it before it got the point it did. I’ve tracked my car enough to know what’s going on and what to look for when I am behind the wheel of it.
The car should be done in January sometime and then Nick and I will take it out to Spring Mountain for testing…then it’s on to 2011 and some more events to compete in.
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Well, you certainly have a good attitude about all this.
I recall reading you have Spa gauges, correct? I think those have programmable setpoints, but granted, even a red LED light in a gauge will only attract so much attention if you don't glance over :frown:
I'm interested in the Mobil1 motorcycle oil too. I'll have to research that further.
Dave
I recall reading you have Spa gauges, correct? I think those have programmable setpoints, but granted, even a red LED light in a gauge will only attract so much attention if you don't glance over :frown:
I'm interested in the Mobil1 motorcycle oil too. I'll have to research that further.
Dave
I agree whit that you say no let others to drive my car.Sorry to hear for broken engine, but hope that next year will be more lucky.
Good luck Jim!
Good luck Jim!
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That's about all anyone can have. But like I said, I will have a way different attitude about his from now on, shit happens as they say...
I don't need to be the big dick when it comes to horsepower, which does nothing but put motors at a bigger risk, wears them out faster and causes more headaches than it's worth. All of which gets extremely expensive, is very time consuming, and for what ?
Bragging about dyno numbers ?...who cares about dyno numbers in the big picture really. They mean nothing if you can't finish what you started.
I've seen way to many motors already that have become paper weights for the sake of big dyno numbers and ego's.
Isn't worth it to me anymore, not with this car or it's motor.
This time around I will have the car tuned at 550 rwhp on E-85 which will be much safer and start concentrating on suspension and handling. All the power in the world means nothing if you can't put it to the ground or finish the competitions you compete in. I don't compete in an unlimited class and have no intentions to.
I just want to drive and enjoy my NSX, period....
I believe all my car needs is 550 rwhp in a street car class, better suspension set up and me getting to the level of driving I need to be at to get the most out of it. Which is nothing more than continued track time, which can't be had when your car is sitting in the shop for 6 months at a time being broke.
Yes, I have SPA gauges that are mounted on the windshield pillar at eye level. Funny thing is, in the 40+ track days I have had the car on the track, I haven't had a problem keeping an eye on them and knowing where my temps are and knowing when to back off or shut it down. Specially when I have to foot the bill for the rebuild and look at the car sit for 6+ months sitting in pieces.
I'm a firm believer now in the Mobile 1 motorcycle oil having looking inside my motor and knowing what it was put through. I will never run anything else from now on. I got very lucky in this situation...
I don't need to be the big dick when it comes to horsepower, which does nothing but put motors at a bigger risk, wears them out faster and causes more headaches than it's worth. All of which gets extremely expensive, is very time consuming, and for what ?
Bragging about dyno numbers ?...who cares about dyno numbers in the big picture really. They mean nothing if you can't finish what you started.
I've seen way to many motors already that have become paper weights for the sake of big dyno numbers and ego's.
Isn't worth it to me anymore, not with this car or it's motor.
This time around I will have the car tuned at 550 rwhp on E-85 which will be much safer and start concentrating on suspension and handling. All the power in the world means nothing if you can't put it to the ground or finish the competitions you compete in. I don't compete in an unlimited class and have no intentions to.
I just want to drive and enjoy my NSX, period....
I believe all my car needs is 550 rwhp in a street car class, better suspension set up and me getting to the level of driving I need to be at to get the most out of it. Which is nothing more than continued track time, which can't be had when your car is sitting in the shop for 6 months at a time being broke.
Yes, I have SPA gauges that are mounted on the windshield pillar at eye level. Funny thing is, in the 40+ track days I have had the car on the track, I haven't had a problem keeping an eye on them and knowing where my temps are and knowing when to back off or shut it down. Specially when I have to foot the bill for the rebuild and look at the car sit for 6+ months sitting in pieces.
I'm a firm believer now in the Mobile 1 motorcycle oil having looking inside my motor and knowing what it was put through. I will never run anything else from now on. I got very lucky in this situation...
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You bet Sandro, from now on if it breaks, I want no one else to blame but myself.
Truly, no one really cares about your car when they are driving it if they're not footing the bills for the repairs when it breaks, specially when racing it.
It was a very hard lesson learned. A BIG mistake I will not make again.
Thanks Sandro...
Truly, no one really cares about your car when they are driving it if they're not footing the bills for the repairs when it breaks, specially when racing it.
It was a very hard lesson learned. A BIG mistake I will not make again.
Thanks Sandro...
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Very horrible news, sorry to hear about it. When I received the Super Street magazine last week, that was the first thing that I thought of. If you would have qualified you may have won it depending on your time. Good luck with your next build.
People make mistakes, and there are obviously different levels of "attentiveness" by the pros when driving others' vehicles.
As I've gotten older, I don't allow others to drive mine, and I don't drive others. Just because I know if I broke something I would feel bad, and they would too.
When I used to evaluate other "foreign" vehicles to me for brief stints on a track, I was always especially careful. It depends how much seat time you get in that car, but you have to adapt to a lot of things: the visibility, power, braking, handling, and keep an eye on the gauges. That's no excuse for what happened, just saying sometimes the gauges are the most neglected when you're put in a new vehicle.
The one I'll never forget is driving a Bugatti EB110 at speed on a track a long time ago.
Again, sorry for what happened, and glad to hear you'll be the only one driving it in the future. That's the fun part IMO!
Dave
As I've gotten older, I don't allow others to drive mine, and I don't drive others. Just because I know if I broke something I would feel bad, and they would too.
When I used to evaluate other "foreign" vehicles to me for brief stints on a track, I was always especially careful. It depends how much seat time you get in that car, but you have to adapt to a lot of things: the visibility, power, braking, handling, and keep an eye on the gauges. That's no excuse for what happened, just saying sometimes the gauges are the most neglected when you're put in a new vehicle.
The one I'll never forget is driving a Bugatti EB110 at speed on a track a long time ago.
Again, sorry for what happened, and glad to hear you'll be the only one driving it in the future. That's the fun part IMO!
Dave
Thanks Ken....
I can't wait until we can actually run the damm things together...LOL.
Soon brother, soon...I will let you know when we go out for testing and you can bring the dragon out and play with us.
Joe is doing a killer job on his WB....
I can't wait until we can actually run the damm things together...LOL.
Soon brother, soon...I will let you know when we go out for testing and you can bring the dragon out and play with us.
Joe is doing a killer job on his WB....
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No worries Dave...shit happens...
I should have changed out the tunnel hoses too, but didn't think I needed to, that may have stopped it from happening too...The whole thing just sucks... bigtime
But....onward and hopefully forward !
I am very lucky to have a lot of really great people helping me and standing in my corner through all this.
That eases the pain a lot since they have been here and done this, many times....
Not to mention the close friendships along the way that have been built.
I'm certainly not giving up
I should have changed out the tunnel hoses too, but didn't think I needed to, that may have stopped it from happening too...The whole thing just sucks... bigtime
But....onward and hopefully forward !
I am very lucky to have a lot of really great people helping me and standing in my corner through all this.
That eases the pain a lot since they have been here and done this, many times....
Not to mention the close friendships along the way that have been built.
I'm certainly not giving up
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