AMG V12 Twin Turbo Benz

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saw this on a detailing web site I post on, owner said the following

"there aren't many around, just 400 made in 06 or so. If you turn the trac control off you will end up sideways in a hurry. I broke the tires loose at 85mph on the highway and hit 145 in the blink of an eye. As far as from a dead stop, you can pretty much (if you have more money than brains) leave rubber indefinitely...first time I tried taking off with like half throttle from a stoplight, it took off reasonably quickly, then the turbos hit, and while trying to keep it from going sideways I left probably 300ft of black...lol..."


talk about a nice $165k car, The S65 has 604 horsepower/737ft·lb torque!, 0-60 mph of about 4.2 seconds. INSANE!
 
its basically a 4 door, family hauling 911 turbo. A bodybuilder covered elegantly in a Zegna suit. I want one.
 
Remember sitting in a 996 Carrera with a friend driving on the Autobahn at 200 kph++, a S600 just walked from us :eek: We tried to catch it but no chance :eek: Powerfull...

So I'm really wondering what this beast is able to do :eek:
 
|Adeel said:
Remember sitting in a 996 Carrera with a friend driving on the Autobahn at 200 kph++, a S600 just walked from us :eek: We tried to catch it but no chance :eek: Powerfull...[..]
Jup.. imagine larger displacement + 2 turbos.

I'm scared of that engine used in the AMG 65-series. Reducing the torque electronic to raise the transmission life is just :eek:.

This generation S65 uses the same engine.
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Klayton said:
Jup.. imagine larger displacement + 2 turbos.

I'm scared of that engine used in the AMG 65-series. Reducing the torque electronic to raise the transmission life is just :eek:.

I know, that's pretty crazy...


The funny thing is the same guy driving the 996C was at the Spa track in a Caymann S, he couldnt keep up with any AMG there.

AMG's are monsters...


The new S is really cool...
 
That is one bad machine. I wonder how much the prices will fall with the new model coming out soon.
 
I personly think that a 6.5 TT S-class is pointless. I think many people buy the AMG line just becuase of the fact they have one and that they show it off. You dont buy an M3 , or any M series car, unless you know you want great performance all round, and you know you'll use it. MB's AMG division is going a great job or making extreme amount of HP, but no one is going to really use it. How many guys you see take their CLK 55 (now CLK 63) and go around tracks on a track day? Yeah, I am a Bimmer man myself, but I give respect for ofther tuning divisions of of manufactures becuase they have soul with their work...MB doesnt.
 
I almost bought an SL65 instead of my NSX. It was a last minute choice and I decided on the NSX. The SL65 would leave the NSX for dead in a hurry in a straight line... but the car is so quiet, smooth, and isolated it is not that fun. The plus is that when you are tired you don't need to deal with the nastiness of potholes, shifting, traffic, NVH... you are well isolated... the negative is that the "feel" and fun factor are gone too.

A 65 may run with a porsche TT but only in a straight line and with little feel. Numb steering (compared to the NSX), almost no road feel.

A fine car, don't get me wrong. Its 5x more advanced electronically and engineered to a very high degree. Its just not nearly as fun. I looked down at the speedo many times to see crazy numbers... but still didn't feel it. I go 40 in my NSX... shifting, feeling the road, low to the ground... and that feels fast.

Different animals I guess.
 
NetViper said:
That is one bad machine. I wonder how much the prices will fall with the new model coming out soon.

The SL65 I looked at was selling for about 120K. It had 9K miles. I can get a discount of 30K walking into any dealer off sticker. It will fall fast... it will be well under 100K in a year or two. Another reason why I bought the NSX instead.
 
Pacemaker Kid89 said:
I personly think that a 6.5 TT S-class is pointless. I think many people buy the AMG line just becuase of the fact they have one and that they show it off. You dont buy an M3 , or any M series car, unless you know you want great performance all round, and you know you'll use it. MB's AMG division is going a great job or making extreme amount of HP, but no one is going to really use it. How many guys you see take their CLK 55 (now CLK 63) and go around tracks on a track day? Yeah, I am a Bimmer man myself, but I give respect for ofther tuning divisions of of manufactures becuase they have soul with their work...MB doesnt.

I somewhat agree. But I will also say that unless you have owned a late model V12 S, SL, or CL class you will not get it.

I went it to buy an M5 (older body, new one not out yet).. I drove a CL600 on the lot. The sheer sophistication of this car... the refinement, the quiet, the smoothness was like no other car I had ever been in. Top notch materials... inside and out. It was beyond ANYTHING BMW makes. I even drove the new 6 series after. Really liked it.. but still... not of the same caliber as a CL600. I knew why one car is $85,000 and one was $140,000.

My NSX turn signal lever feels so cheap... as does the leather on the dash, the way the console screws in, everything is a bunch of cheap screws and clips... chintzy plastic... you didn't even have a visible screw on the 600.

Still, I have much more fun in the NSX.

AMG has a real bad canvas to work with on some cars. C class, even CLK's... they really have to do a lot to get that thing to have some remote amount of "feel". And I agree most owners of the car will never use all that HP.
 
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TURBO2GO said:
I somewhat agree. But I will also say that unless you have owned a late model V12 S, SL, or CL class you will not get it.

I went it to buy an M5 (older body, new one not out yet).. I drove a CL600 on the lot. The sheer sophistication of this car... the refinement, the quiet, the smoothness was like no other car I had ever been in. Top notch materials... inside and out. It was beyond ANYTHING BMW makes. I even drove the new 6 series after. Really liked it.. but still... not of the same caliber as a CL600. I knew why one car is $85,000 and one was $140,000.

My NSX turn signal lever feels so cheap... as does the leather on the dash, the way the console screws in, everything is a bunch of cheap screws and clips... chintzy plastic... you didn't even have a visible screw on the 600.

Still, I have much more fun in the NSX.

AMG has a real bad canvas to work with on some cars. C class, even CLK's... they really have to do a lot to get that thing to have some remote amount of "feel". And I agree most owners of the car will never use all that HP.


'06 CL-class: $95,500 (CL500) - $179,600 (CL65_AMG)
'06 S-class: $64,900 (S350) - $169,000 (S65_AMG)
'06 SL-class: $92,900 (SL500) - $185,000 (SL65_AMG)

Hmmm... I'm not so sure I wholly agree w/ you regarding Mercedes Benz offering premium/unique materials, construction, trim, and build-quality exclusively to the AMG-spec' models. Other than badging/emblems, upgraded leather/stitching, CF-overlays, mesh-inserts, aero-bits (air-dam, skirt, rocker-panels), beefier suspension, outsourced brakes, taut chassis/strut-bars, wider mono-block wheels, and obvious AMG-derived drivetrain/powertrain... the range effectively is identical through the various models.

What AMG really demonstrates emphatically is a testamount to Mercedes Benz engineering. Stuttgart can say, our base model of each line can be outfitted w/ worldclass technology on the existing platform and perform ahead of anyone, anywhere w/o compromise. Each Mercedes Benz is designed, engineered, assembled w/ this potential.

However, where Mercedes Benz is superior to BMW in overall feel/comfort/aura... the M-line actually is designed/engineered/assembled as a 'M' from the ground-up, unlike AMG-Benzes. And it shows: BMW M's outclass any/all AMG-Benzes in performance prowess in virtually all categories.
 
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Osiris_x11 said:
And it shows: BMW M's outclass any/all AMG-Benzes in performance prowess in virtually all categories.


I agree except in a straight line.

The AMG Benzes are monsters in a straight line
 
Lookin at the numbers, it must be a beast.

Mercedes just doesnt do it for me, dunno why, think coz they are all cabs here :biggrin:
 
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Osiris_x11 said:
Hmmm... I'm not so sure I wholly agree w/ you regarding Mercedes Benz offering premium/unique materials, construction, trim, and build-quality exclusively to the AMG-spec' models. Other than badging/emblems, upgraded leather/stitching, CF-overlays, mesh-inserts, aero-bits (air-dam, skirt, rocker-panels), beefier suspension, outsourced brakes, taut chassis/strut-bars, wider mono-block wheels, and obvious AMG-derived drivetrain/powertrain... the range effectively is identical through the various models.

I was saying premium materials compared to my NSX. Not that AMG has premium materials over the standard benz. They do not. Most are less optioned out actually. My rearview mirror in the Benz had like 10 functions on it... the thing was even motorized. I walk within 10 feet of the car with my Keyless Go and it adjusts to my settings... bizarre to have a rearview mirror buzzing and moving by itself inside the cabin. The one in the NSX doesn't even auto dim.

I have learned that you cannot combine "feel" and "isolation" at the same time in a car. Sometimes, each is nice. When its a sunny afternoon on a clear road, you want feel. When you are aching and trying to get home after a long day's work on a hot/cold day stuck in traffic, last thing you want is feel. You want isolation.

My CL600 provided as much feel as possible with that level of isolation. The double paned glass did not even let me hear a car next to me. The ventilation in the seats never let my back sweat. Hell I even had massage in my seats...

The NSX allows full feel. As a second weekend car, its great. Fun. I love it. I forgive all the cheapness. :smile:
 
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TURBO2GO said:
I was saying premium materials compared to my NSX. Not that AMG has premium materials over the standard benz. They do not. Most are less optioned out actually. My rearview mirror in the Benz had like 10 functions on it... the thing was even motorized. I walk within 10 feet of the car with my Keyless Go and it adjusts to my settings... bizarre to have a rearview mirror buzzing and moving by itself inside the cabin. The one in the NSX doesn't even auto dim.

I have learned that you cannot combine "feel" and "isolation" at the same time in a car. Sometimes, each is nice. When its a sunny afternoon on a clear road, you want feel. When you are aching and trying to get home after a long day's work on a hot/cold day stuck in traffic, last thing you want is feel. You want isolation.

My CL600 provided as much feel as possible with that level of isolation. The double paned glass did not even let me hear a car next to me. The ventilation in the seats never let my back sweat. Hell I even had massage in my seats...

The NSX allows full feel. As a second weekend car, its great. Fun. I love it. I forgive all the cheapness.
:smile:

You, my friend, need to sell the NSX and get a... Bentley Continental_GT (and make it an -R)!?! :tongue:

Automobiles that originate from particular countries have hallmarks or characteristics that are notable, ie. German cars, Japanese cars, American cars, Italian cars, Korean cars, etc'... What you've described above is a quintessential German automobile w/ the over-engineering, redundant systems, personalization trims, technical wizzardry & nuances. One major thing you might be overlooking is build-quality/ reliability/ durability/ functionality. My uncle had new '90-'91 300SL. He sold it just a few years ago, and it was a tired, dead, uber-dated car inside/out compared to my '91 NSX. The funny thing was that it was fully maintained/serviced, nominally driven, and so on... :frown:

MSRP of $61k ('91) to $89k ('05) is directly corelated to the quality of the NSX. It's built to last, period. When a lifelong J-body enthusiast working as a tech. at Goodyear Tire/Service says: "that's one of the most well built cars I've ever seen, it's rock solid. I've never seen one up-close. Must've taken forever to make so methodically and w/l any lapes." (all this over just swapping/mounting/balancing tires while on the lift)

That's the unadvertised/unseen phenomenon of the NSX... build-quality.
 
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I was lapping, as a passenger, in an SL65 on Monday at Mosport.

Fast on the straight, that torque really smacks you, but it was so boring. If that were my car Id be looking for a way to make life more exciting. I think it would take cocaine or hookers and guns or something it was that boring of a car.

It felt overly assisted. It was dead quiet. It was like I was sitting in my living room watching a wrap around IMAX movie of a track going by. It was amazing how much distance could be stolen on the straights, but I left that car thinking that this guy must have a really exciting life to be able to love such an unexciting car (to me).

fast though, but didnt get any faster on the straight than my SCd NSX was doing.
 
I really like the black chrome wheels!
 
nice movie it'd be, "Cocaine, Hookers, Guns, and Something"

BioBanker said:
If that were my car Id be looking for a way to make life more exciting. I think it would take cocaine or hookers and guns or something it was that boring of a car.

Does one absolutely need a boring car to still do that stuff? :biggrin:

I couldn't agree more, well regarding the sterile/numb feeling that even the sports/perf' oriented Benz models give. I had been mesmerized by the CLS, literally for years. Finally I got to get behind one last year... actually got to flex it's muscle on some really nice jaunts. But man, I was so dismayed and sad for rest of the day. It was absolutely uninspiring, unemotional, and unsatisfying. Fast, yes. Well-built/solid, yes. Luxurious/refined, yes. Modern/stylish, yes. Quite analogous to being in a First-Class cabin of a jet or limo' except you are also driving. (I wished my school-bus back in grade-school was more like the CLS, hehe... :p )

Don't get me wrong, Mercedes Benz innovations/advancements are things I wished I had the ability to acquire on other favored auto's, ie. electrochromatic-roof, 100-way adj. seat ( ;) ) ventilated/cooled w/ power/memory lumbar, bolsters, mirrors, climate/audio presets, belt/steering/pedal position, environmental air ionize/filter, customizable H.U.D., blah bla bha... :smile:
 
Re: nice movie it'd be, "Cocaine, Hookers, Guns, and Something"

Osiris_x11 said:
Don't get me wrong, Mercedes Benz innovations/advancements are things I wished I had 100-way adj. seat ( ;) ) ventilated/cooled w/ power/memory lumbar, bolsters, mirrors, climate/audio presets, belt/steering/pedal position, environmental air ionize/filter, customizable H.U.D., blah bla bha... :smile:

I tell you my seats had all that. It was infinitely adjustable. You could even lengthen the bottom cushion electronically. It had 9 fans inside... 3 levels of cooling, 2 levels of heat, 2 airbags, a motorized headrest, and a massage feature. It was smart enough to lower the headrest for closer sitting drivers and raise it for taller drivers on its own. It weighed around 150 pounds I am sure...

Yet... I am damn more comfortable in the basic NSX seat. They engineered and engineered and at the very end what is lost that it doesn't work well as a "seat".

Bio, I agree with your post 100%.
 
The V12 benzs make GREAT daily drivers. Very confortable, relaxing cars.

The cars are INSANELY powerful. The 600s are rated at just under 500 hp from the factory, but in truth the engines are the EXACT same ones as found in the Maybach and make slightly more then 542hp and 620 ft-lbs due to the less restrictive exhaust then the Maybach (as confirmed by dyno testing of cars regularly putting around 460hp to the rear wheels). STOCK 600s will pull 1/4 miles in the 11s all day long on stock rubber. The Renntech chip alone will bump power to 625hp and over 700 ft-lbs, add a free flowing exhaust and you will be up past 650hp where the only real limit becomes the trany (need to get it beefed up if you want to go past 800 ft-lbs IIRC.

600s are also 'cheap' on the used market...you can buy a one year old 600 with under 5k miles for about the price of the entry level model with basic options.

The 65s are even more insane...most agree the factory figures are very 'conservative,' and the cars performance shows:

A renntech chipped SL65 with exhaust on slicks ran low 11s all day long (there is a video on putfile of it). In fact, the track marshels warned the driver to slow down, as the car lacked a roll cage. Even tapping the brakes at the end, the car would run mid 11s runs one after and other. A similar car broke into the high 10s as well.

Now the negative issues:

1. Gas mileage in the city (with lots of stop and go) with even a light foot is 6-8mpg, though, on the highway you can get up to 20 if you are not aggressive with the gas pedal and cruising at 75-80. (At worst you will get 15mpg or so, with 14s if you are REALLY being liberal in its application)

2. Under-engineered (for a German car at least). Not to say they are bad, in fact the cars have lots of great concepts but none of them are taken to the level of execution that used to be seen in the late 90s S classes or BMW 7s.

Some cases in point:

The windows are one touch down for both front and rear quarter...and the front windows are one touch up as well...BUT the rear quarter windows are not one touch up...something that when you are expecting otherwise is just plain weird. :confused:

The cooling seats don't really cool that well...at all, as the are only pushing air upwards (not even cooled air at that, as their is no cooling elements in the seats). You cannot feel the cooling effect if you have any 'normal' clothing on, only if its the thinnest (like shorts or a light cotten shirt)
 
I should add another negative:

The steering is as numb as, well, a Mercedes. By which I mean to say its no where near as communicative or direct as any BMW's, let alone a NSX. The Audi's I have driven had better feel as well, even if they were over-boosted.

That said, it is better then the Lexus-es(Lexi?) I have driven.
 
TURBO2GO said:
My NSX turn signal lever feels so cheap... as does the leather on the dash, the way the console screws in, everything is a bunch of cheap screws and clips... chintzy plastic... you didn't even have a visible screw on the 600.

I would imagine that this was all in the interests to save weight? When you start "overbuilding" things, the weight adds up quickly. Light weight isn't really a consideration or design goal on a 500+ hp Sedan, as opposed to the NSX, where Honda was meticulous about saving as much weight as they possibly could, down to every component/subsystem.
 
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