C6 build quality (roof flying off)

[Sinisfun]

I did a search and didn't find anything so...

Apparently there is a guy with a C6 who when he shifted to second gear his roof broke off... http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1369957

I guess the next time there is an NSX vs. Vette argument there is a little more fuel for the build quality fire.



PS. I still love C6's and would be very happy to own one.

 

[NsXMas]

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68314

 

[Sinisfun]

Haha, darn.

 

[Timpo]

that is the Z06 too

 

[Soichiro]

The Corvette C6, and especially the 505 horsepower Z06 are great cars. I advise you to drive one before you comment otherwise. One defect on one car does not tarnish the entire line - only children think like that.

A friend's NSX broke it's transmission, but none of my friends' Corvettes have broken transmissions - by your reasoning that's proof all NSX's are poorly built.

And we all know that's not true.

 

[timothyaw]

The Corvette C6, and especially the 505 horsepower Z06 are great cars. I advise you to drive one before you comment otherwise. One defect on one car does not tarnish the entire line - only children think like that.

A friend's NSX broke it's transmission, but none of my friends' Corvettes have broken transmissions - by your reasoning that's proof all NSX's are poorly built.

And we all know that's not true.

I have alot of respect for the vettes, mechanical problems are one thing. But actual BODY PARTS flying off that are suppose to be a part of the structural unit of the vehicle is simple inexcusable

 

[Soichiro]

Your knowledge of the vehicle is all that's inexcusable here. As others have said, the roof is not a structural part of the vehicle, and plays no part in actually moving the car.

Unlike a certain manufacturer's transmission snap ring ....

 

[NSXCELERATE]

The Corvette C6, and especially the 505 horsepower Z06 are great cars. I advise you to drive one before you comment otherwise. One defect on one car does not tarnish the entire line - only children think like that.

A friend's NSX broke it's transmission, but none of my friends' Corvettes have broken transmissions - by your reasoning that's proof all NSX's are poorly built.

And we all know that's not true.

a transmission breaks sooner or later, a roof does not fly off!!!!! A roof that even has the ability to fly off is a POS car.

 

[ANYTIME]

The Corvette C6, and especially the 505 horsepower Z06 are great cars. I advise you to drive one before you comment otherwise. One defect on one car does not tarnish the entire line - only children think like that.

A friend's NSX broke it's transmission, but none of my friends' Corvettes have broken transmissions - by your reasoning that's proof all NSX's are poorly built.

And we all know that's not true.

Name one vehicle (other than the corvette) that has known incidents of body parts falling/flying off.

 

[Da Hapa]

..the roof is not a structural part of the vehicle, and plays no part in actually moving the car.
....

Tell that to the poor bastard driving behind the corvette when his roof peeled back.

I understand where you're coming from but let's be honest... a roof panel peeling back is hardly trivial. In fact, it's downright dangerous. Perhaps not to the car owner.... but I sure as hell wouldn't want to be behind this guy on the freeway.

 

[Soichiro]

>>Name one vehicle (other than the corvette) that has known incidents of body parts falling/flying off.
Lotus. Yugo. Sorry, that's two.

>>A roof that even has the ability to fly off is a POS car.
Really? - better go check your Tochigi wonder, because I've seen an NSX targa panel fly off at the track.

Geez you guys are sensitive. I guess that's what happens when you only have about HALF THE HORSEPOWER of the car we're discussing!

 

[Osiris_x11]

gnawing the hand that feeds...

I personally think that GM/Chevrolet might be shooting themselves in the foot if they don't keep the C6 Corvette a cut above the rest of their offerings (ie. no recalls, no quality-issues, no bad rep'). Being the halo' car, the masses will of-course generalize that if the Corvette is reliable/dependable, built rock-solid, and many of the headaches are of the past... interest will develop in their mainstream autos as those models may now be possibly better built too.

I wonder if any QA/QC issues (if they exist) w/ the C6 Corvette can be attributed to record production at their Bowling Green plant?!?

 

[NSXCELERATE]

thats what happens when cars are assembled by machines and not hand assembled piece by piece.

 

[Da Hapa]

>>Name one vehicle (other than the corvette) that has known incidents of body parts falling/flying off.
Lotus. Yugo. Sorry, that's two.

Sorry but neither of those manufacturers come to mind when I think of quality workmanship and reliable.

 

[Da Hapa]

Geez you guys are sensitive. I guess that's what happens when you only have about HALF THE HORSEPOWER of the car we're discussing!

With respect... I don't know about that at all. I could give a rat's ass that there are plenty of cars and motorcycles out there that can do this better and that faster than my car. But few can do everything as well.

And frankly, I'll whip mine out if you whip out yours and we'll see who's really sensitive about size and power:biggrin:

 

[robr]

thats what happens when cars are assembled by machines and not hand assembled piece by piece.

typically machines are far more accurate than humans (once the humans program them correctly). machines dont have a bad day, they don't get hung over or lazy on the job, they don't get mad at management because of a lousy pay raise at review time. they are generally consistant (unless a human doesnt maintain the machine properly). i have no problem with a machine built car.

for the lotus roof flying off, are we talking a fixed roof that's supposed to be a permanent part of the car, or a targa roof where perhaps human error might have not latched it down properly.

da hapa, the question was asked to name another car where body panels fly off, not a reliable manufacturer with quality workmanship (which i'm guessing would only be three - toyota, honda and perhaps nissan).

 

[White92]

I remember the 95 Explorers had problems with the sunroof flying off. I'm not comparing at all. This story just reminds me of that problem they had.

 

[Da Hapa]

da hapa, the question was asked to name another car where body panels fly off, not a reliable manufacturer with quality workmanship (which i'm guessing would only be three - toyota, honda and perhaps nissan).

Correct but I inferred (given the other questions being asked and the tone that this thread has now taken on) that the point of the question was whether body panels coming off of a car (whether they are structural or not) is or is not indicative of a quality product.

 

[Soichiro]

>>I'll whip mine out if you whip out yours and we'll see

I (ahem) rise to the challenge - I had an NSX for 14 years. How long have you owned one?

 

[apple27]

A friend's NSX broke it's transmission, but none of my friends' Corvettes have broken transmissions

14 years an no experiences of your own huh?

I (ahem) rise to the challenge - I had an NSX for 14 years. How long have you owned one?

If its such a POS why did you own it pretty much ever since it was built?

 

[Soichiro]

>>If its such a POS why did you own it

I never said the NSX was a poor car, let alone a POS. I did say: "The Corvette C6, and especially the 505 horsepower Z06 are great cars. I advise you to drive one before you comment otherwise. One defect on one car does not tarnish the entire line - only children think like that."

 

[Understudy]

"The Corvette C6, and especially the 505 horsepower Z06 are great cars. I advise you to drive one before you comment otherwise. One defect on one car does not tarnish the entire line - only children think like that."

Having never driven one, I would agree that the performance of the C6 and Z06 are quite impressive on paper/tests. However, this problem with the roof "delaminating" is not limited to just this one vehicle unfortunately, as is noted in that thread. They've actually issued a recall for a certain number of Vettes already to have the roof repaired. The guy's roof that flew off in that thread wasn't among those that the recall applied to, so it appears that it might be more widespread than they thought.

I'm amazed by the number of people in that thread that don't see this as a serious problem with the vehicle's roadworthiness. It is potentially very hazardous to other people on the road, regardless of the weight of that specific roof panel. As some mentioned, I'd hate to be on a bike behind him when that happens.

Of course this doesn't mean that all the Corvettes are crap, but neither is it a trivial matter.

 

[SCS2k]

Direct from gm tech site.....

Subject: Customer Satisfaction - Painted Roof Adhesive Separation #05112A - (02/23/2006)



Models: 2005-2006 CHEVROLET CORVETTE

WITH PAINTED ROOF




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STEPS 3 AND 23 IN THE SERVICE PROCEDURE HAVE BEEN REVISED. PLEASE REVIEW THE REVISED PROCEDURE IMMEDIATELY. DISCARD ALL COPIES OF BULLETIN 05112 ISSUED FEBRUARY 2006.


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THIS PROGRAM IS IN EFFECT UNTIL MARCH 31, 2007.

Condition
On certain 2005-2006 Chevrolet Corvette vehicles, the painted roof panel may separate from its frame in some areas if it is exposed to stresses along with high temperature and humidity. The occupants of the vehicle may notice one or more of these symptoms: a snapping noise when driving over bumps, wind noise, poor roof panel fit, roof panel movement/bounce when a door or hatch is closed, or a water leak in the headliner.

Correction
Dealers are to apply adhesive foam to ensure proper adhesion, or in a small number of vehicles, replace the roof panel.

Vehicles Involved
Involved are certain 2005-2006 Chevrolet Corvette vehicles with a painted roof, and built within these VIN breakpoints:

Year
Division
Model
From
Through

2005
Chevrolet
Corvette
55100002 thru
55135053

2006
Chevrolet
Corvette
65100001 thru
65100046


Important: Dealers should confirm vehicle eligibility through GMVIS (GM Vehicle Inquiry System) prior to beginning program repairs. [Not all vehicles within the above breakpoints may be involved.]

For US and Canada: For GM dealers, Canadian Saab, and Canadian Saturn retailers with involved vehicles, a Campaign Initiation Detail Report (CIDR) containing the complete vehicle identification number, customer name and address data has been prepared and will be loaded to the GM DealerWorld (US) Recall Information, GMinfoNet (Canada) Recall Reports. For US Saturn retailers only, the involved vehicles are provided in a Facility VIN List file sent to you at your current email address. Dealers/retailers will not have a report available if they have no involved vehicles currently assigned.

For Export: For dealers with involved vehicles, a Campaign Initiation Detail Report containing the complete vehicle identification number, customer name and address data has been prepared, and is being furnished to involved dealers. Dealers will not receive a report with the bulletin if they have no involved vehicles currently assigned.

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[ghost]

Typical owner biast. You will never get a general agreement and acceptance about a competitor. And that is cool. I have an NSX and its instinictive to try to list the good characteristics, and put down the other competitors by mentioning their bad characteristics.

I see that all the time. You go to a ford site forum, and they will mention the greatness of a mustang versus the downfall of another sports car. You go to a corvette site, and they tell you why its better then the NSX. You go to the NSX site like this one and they will tell you why its better than corvette. You go to the ferrarichat and they will tell you why any ferrari is superior any nsx etc.....etc......

I owned a mercedes s500 and a rolls royce silver spur few years back, and they werent all that they are cracked up to be. But i liked many things about them and hate many more. Yet these cars are regarded by many through out the world to be what cars should be.


The other poster is right on the two points. First one about the lotus. I had the misfortune of owning a lotus esprit for a short period of time, and the rear area behind the roof (hatchback door) almost flew off while driving and was barely connected before i stopped. The other point, is please go drive or own a Z06 before you sit their putting it down and saying how superior the NSX because of this and that ...... The Z06 is best perfomance for the buck. Basically the two qualities most buyers look for when buying a sports car. Perfomance and cost !! Its faster than most ferraris for one third the price, and not to mention alot less maintenance cost or quality issues of ferraris. But if i mention Ferrari blah blah ...what registers in your mind...WOW Ferrari ...lots of respect... Same thing goes for rolls royce. If i tell you the issues i had with my silver spur, you would not believe it.


The moral of the above post, is before we jump and say why the NSX is better than the corvette because of such and such, drive the new z06. And most of all have an open mind, because each car like an NSX has certain qualities that are better than others. I love my NSX, but i can also respect what the Z06 brings... the best performance for the buck !! And i will never disrespect or respect a car strictly on Name only, or just because i own a competitor !!


Thanks

 

[Meeyatch1]

>>Name one vehicle (other than the corvette) that has known incidents of body parts falling/flying off.
Lotus. Yugo. Sorry, that's two.

>>A roof that even has the ability to fly off is a POS car.
Really? - better go check your Tochigi wonder, because I've seen an NSX targa panel fly off at the track.

Geez you guys are sensitive. I guess that's what happens when you only have about HALF THE HORSEPOWER of the car we're discussing!

Yeah...because all of the other high horsepower cars in the world have this happen, right? Horsepower has NOTHING to do with body parts flying off, and if you think otherwise I would love to hear your logic there.