CTSC bypass hose update...

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I'm finally getting around to installing the updated bypass hose kit from Comptech as preventative maintenance. The CTSC was on my car when I purchased it, so I have no prior knowledge of the installation process. How much has to come apart to install the update kit? I found a couple photos on a search, but no details.
Thanks in advance.
 
You have to remove the Supercharger assy from the motor to access the hoses mounted on the underside of it,....so remove: the belt,the intake air tube,the idle air control plate (or the coolant hoses attached to them),the electrical connectors on the Idle air components(if you take them off with the unit),coolant hoses at the throttle body,connectors at the throttle body.

Basicly anything you see that is going to prevent you from removing the CTSC unit from the engine:smile:
 
zahntech said:
You have to remove the Supercharger assy from the motor to access the hoses mounted on the underside of it,....so remove: the belt,the intake air tube,the idle air control plate (or the coolant hoses attached to them),the electrical connectors on the Idle air components(if you take them off with the unit),coolant hoses at the throttle body,connectors at the throttle body.

Basicly anything you see that is going to prevent you from removing the CTSC unit from the engine:smile:

Thanks...do the injectors have to be removed?
 
jcjcf1 said:
The injectors and fuel rails do not need to be removed.


Yeah they can stay but be aware that the CTSC is very heavy and you will want to have someone on the other side of the car to help you lift it off and out.
 
Just to clarify, the supercharger/intake manifold is removed as a unit, but you don't need to remove the SC/fuelrails/injectors from the intake manifold.
 
zahntech said:
Yeah they can stay but be aware that the CTSC is very heavy and you will want to have someone on the other side of the car to help you lift it off and out.
You probably can lift the unit out by yourself(I did), but definitely better if someone helps.
 
jcjcf1 said:
Just to clarify, the supercharger/intake manifold is removed as a unit, but you don't need to remove the SC/fuelrails/injectors from the intake manifold.
Got it. In the photos I saw, the bypass hose was actually changed with the intake lifted in place. Possible? Or better to just remove it?
 
m3456y said:
Got it. In the photos I saw, the bypass hose was actually changed with the intake lifted in place. Possible? Or better to just remove it?
Not sure I understand your question, but once you've removed the SC/intake manifold(as a unit), just turn it upside down to relace the bypass hose. To get enough room to access the hose, everything attached to the unit will have to be disconnected, so anything other than pulling the unit physically out of the car makes no sense to me.
 
jcjcf1 said:
Not sure I understand your question, but once you've removed the SC/intake manifold(as a unit), just turn it upside down to relace the bypass hose. To get enough room to access the hose, everything attached to the unit will have to be disconnected, so anything other than pulling the unit physically out of the car makes no sense to me.

Thanks for the help. I'm tackling the project this weekend, and wanted to have all the information before I started.
 
m3456y said:
Got it. In the photos I saw, the bypass hose was actually changed with the intake lifted in place. Possible? Or better to just remove it?


Did the pic you saw show the original hose being replaced? The updated pipe and hose adapter can be tough to get on, so doing it by lifting the blower does not seem possible to me.

HTH,
LarryB
 
Just pulled mine off yesterday. By-pass hose was cracked. What could happens if it cracks?

I'm not sure if you guys are running stock fuel rails, but I have the Comptech ones and there's no way to get to some of the manifold bolts without having to pull off the fuel rail first. But to get one last damn bolt off the fuel rail you need to pull of the whole blower off from the intake! There was another PIA bolt on the passenger side rear bank of the intake that a socket would not fit into. I had to use a cescent wrench to finally loosen it. What do you guys use to tighten it when reinstalling? Same tool?
 
AdvansCPAP.com said:
Just pulled mine off yesterday. By-pass hose was cracked. What could happens if it cracks?

I'm not sure if you guys are running stock fuel rails, but I have the Comptech ones and there's no way to get to some of the manifold bolts without having to pull off the fuel rail first. But to get one last damn bolt off the fuel rail you need to pull of the whole blower off from the intake! There was another PIA bolt on the passenger side rear bank of the intake that a socket would not fit into. I had to use a cescent wrench to finally loosen it. What do you guys use to tighten it when reinstalling? Same tool?


I made a "special tool" to reach that hard to get at bolt. Heated the shank of a 12 point box wrench near the head and bent it about 20 degrees to afford access. It has worked fine on at least 4 occasions.

If your by-pass hose splits it will cause a vacuum leak and the car will not idle properly; the RPM will HUNT up and down.
 
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I did this about 6 months ago, wrote detailed directions on a piece of paper, took pictures, etc...and never got around to sharing the info. Here are some noteworthy items, starting with things you asked about.

Stupid Bolt...

If we're talking about the same PITA bolt (one of the manifold bolts/nuts toward the front of the car)...I went and bought a cheap ratchet with a "flex head" (like pictured here) to remove/reinstall this. I had to do the torque by feel. Use of the torque wrench on the other bolts gave me a benchmark to go by, so I think my torque-by-feel was quite accurate..

Cracked Hose...

My hose (about 6-7 years and 10k miles after CTSC install) was cracked (but not all the way through) and you could see marks where it had collapsed onto itself under vacuum. Cracked with no leak (like mine) = fine. Some believe that when cracked all the way though (so that air that is allowed to enter) will result in higher intake temps which could be harmful to the engine. Complete failure would be where the hose failed enough to let a bunch of air in. I don't believe there is a single account of this, but the result is the same as an open throttle (having your foot against the floor). That could create a dangerous driving situation (might cause an accident) but I don't see any reason to not believe the rev-limiter would function normally and prevent over-rev of engine.

Tough to get new pipe fitted...

The mini-hoses that hold the new pipe in place aren't the easiest to get on. Get some boiling-hot water, put these rubber hose sections into it, let them sit for a few minutes. The heat helps to temporarily softening them up and the water will act as a lubricant that will evaporate later (so also temporary).

Impossible to get new pipe fitted...

The really early CTSCs (like mine, which was installed in 1999 & I think the 88th one Comptech produced) have some variability in the length (or I guess you could say height given how it's mounted) of the bypass pipe going back to the intake site of the SC. Mine was shorter than what the new bypass hose (actually a pipe) seemed to be designed for. Shad at Comptech agreed the fit wasn't good and sent me another hose/pipe...which also didn't fit. I ended up needing to slightly trim the end of the perminant pipe to get the pipe that replaces the hose to fit.

Old-school NSX tuning...

The earlier CTSCs used a restrictor and check valve in the vacuum hose to the MAP sensor. This kept the MAP sensor from seeing boost, which kept the ECU from seeing boost (otherwise it will throw a CEL). Now-a-days this isn't done. Instead a voltage clamp is put between the MAP sensor and the ECU (i.e. Comptech's ESM or Brian's SmartMap). The old-school check-valve & restrictor setup is "down there," next to the bypass hose under the manifold. If you want the option of upgrading to the new voltage-clamp solution some day (supposedly this may result in even better throttle response), without having to remove the SC assembly again, move the check-valve + restrictor setup to the other end of the MAP sensor hose.

When you put back together, make sure the restrictor goes before the check valve (restrictor closer to the manifold, check valve closer to sensor cluster) or the check valve will not be able to keep up with the volume of air coming down the hose = MAP sensor sees boost = ECU sees boost = CEL with pretty aggressive "limp mode." If/when you upgrade to a voltage clamp, you can reach in and remove the check-valve + restrictor setup in about 10 seconds....instead of hours (to redo all this labor).

I learned today that an added bonus of having the restrictor & check-valve located top-side is that a dyno shop can then tap into this hose before check valve and assembly to get a reasonably-accurate boost reading. I suppose it might not be a perfect reading because the check valve is still downstream...but if they were upstream the reading would be zero.

Loose hose check...

I found the MAP sensor hose to be pretty loose on the fitting on the bottom of the manifold...so loose I imagine air was seeping past and can see it slipping off within the realm of possibility. (This was true regardless of where the check valve & restrictor was located.) I used a little zip tie to snug it up.

Fuel rail cover...

When reinstalling the fuel-rail cover, use a lot of care. If you drop a screw (really a small bolt with alan head) it's liable to disappear into the abyss between the manifold and the engine. I learned this lesson before I undertook this hose replacement job, so I was able to finish with more screws than I started (I retrieved formerly-lost ones from the abyss). I wouldn't want you to end up with less screws.

I'll try to post a couple relevant pictures in the next few days
 
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Pictures available at http://latzke.us/photo/NSX-Bypass-Hose

  • 675 & 662 Looking through here you can visually inspect the hose (to see if you have the rubber or metal version) before ordering parts or starting work. In the second you can see the crack on the side of my hose (no visible crack doesn't mean you are safe, there could be ones not visible or such).
  • 671 The hose replacement kit from Comptech
  • 677 & 679: This sensor needs to be removed to allow removal of bolt. I stored sensor in clean plastic sandwich baggie to prevent contamination...not sure if this is necessary.
  • 682: What the fuel injector connector looks like when clip is spread to allow it to be unplugged.
  • 687: Old hose before removal.
  • 783 & 788: Note presense of restrictor & check-valve on the MAP line (removed in 805).
  • 783 & 788: New pipe doesn't fit some very early CTSCs properly.
  • 788-mod: Orange line shows approximately where I needed to cut the existing pipe to achieve a proper fit.
  • 791-793: Neat pics looking inside at SC.
  • 794: This connection is loose. I recommend using a zip-tie to secure (see 805).
  • 795: Keep the assembly covered when not being worked on to prevent dust & debris from entering.
  • 805: Hose replacement pipe installed. Note zip tie where MAP hose connects to manifold and removal of restrictor & check-valve from this line.
  • 810-814: Old hose...cracked, but not all the way through. The clean dot in the last one shows where the hose repeatedly collapsed onto itself under vacuum.
 
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Here are all the photos from our good friend Latzkeus!
Thanks dude.
Trev
 

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Some great photos here for reference.
 

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Wonder when the Wall Plates will be put on the wall though.
 

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Thats it folks, add your own pics if you have them.
Trev
 

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ok, i just got my low boost whipple used unit.
I have the shit elbow.
no wire inside of mine.
Have to start hunting for parts around town.
Trev
 

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Wonder when the Wall Plates will be put on the wall though.

Plates were on the wall when I moved in. When I rewired the house for data/coax the shown wires became obsolite (why they're cut so short). Patching over the holes will be part of an eventual garage improvement project (repainting walls/ceiling, installing lots of T12 lights with some activated by door openers, replacing door openers with those Wayne-Dalton iDrive wall-mount ones).

ok, i just got my low boost whipple used unit.
I have the shit elbow.
no wire inside of mine.
Have to start hunting for parts around town.
Trev

Those are scary pics. I'm uncomfortable just looking at that hose. Glad you won't be using that for your installation. :wink: :biggrin:
 
Where can the updated bypass hose kit from Comptech be ordered from?
Has the updated part ever been part of the complete kits or not.
If so, from what date-on?
I have a in 2005 installed whipple type (only about 2.500 Mls on it by now), this probably has the old version bypass hose I presume?
 
Where can the updated bypass hose kit from Comptech be ordered from?
Has the updated part ever been part of the complete kits or not.
If so, from what date-on?
I have a in 2005 installed whipple type (only about 2.500 Mls on it by now), this probably has the old version bypass hose I presume?

Check with titaniumdave on this forum. I know he was working on the update kit a few months ago.
 
Pictures available at http://latzke.us/photo/NSX-Bypass-Hose

  • 675 & 662 Looking through here you can visually inspect the hose (to see if you have the rubber or metal version) before ordering parts or starting work. In the second you can see the crack on the side of my hose (no visible crack doesn't mean you are safe, there could be ones not visible or such).
  • 671 The hose replacement kit from Comptech
  • 677 & 679: This sensor needs to be removed to allow removal of bolt. I stored sensor in clean plastic sandwich baggie to prevent contamination...not sure if this is necessary.
  • 682: What the fuel injector connector looks like when clip is spread to allow it to be unplugged.
  • 687: Old hose before removal.
  • 783 & 788: Note presense of restrictor & check-valve on the MAP line (removed in 805).
  • 783 & 788: New pipe doesn't fit some very early CTSCs properly.
  • 788-mod: Orange line shows approximately where I needed to cut the existing pipe to achieve a proper fit.
  • 791-793: Neat pics looking inside at SC.
  • 794: This connection is loose. I recommend using a zip-tie to secure (see 805).
  • 795: Keep the assembly covered when not being worked on to prevent dust & debris from entering.
  • 805: Hose replacement pipe installed. Note zip tie where MAP hose connects to manifold and removal of restrictor & check-valve from this line.
  • 810-814: Old hose...cracked, but not all the way through. The clean dot in the last one shows where the hose repeatedly collapsed onto itself under vacuum.

Latzke - your link no longer works. Can you put the info on another page?
THanks.
 
I did that, those are the pics just below his post.
lol
Trev
 
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