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Took my car to the track for the first time last friday (Dunnville racetrack).
Had a lot of fun enjoyed the precise handling, however I found the gearing to be way too long, I could only get up to third gear twice per lap and only for a brief period, also coming out of slow corners in second the engine would fall to about 2500 rpm and it took for ever to bring it up to 5000 rpm (start of power band). Also experienced exessive body roll (the car is stock).
I am looking to improve the car's track performance, but not too crazy to make it undriveble on the road. Looking for suggestions from experienced NSX'ers.
 

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Hey great to hear that you had a good time there! I really wished I could have joined you but I just had too much work piled up. BTW, did you get hit by any of that rain we got in Toronto? I was afraid you'd get stuck over there because of the torrential downpour. We actually had a 25 foot Apple tree in our backyard get uprooted and fall over from the winds on friday!

I think I saw you friday morning when you were leaving for the track. Did you head out around 10:45am? I saw a silver going east on rutherford by keele. Then saturday morning (around 11am I think) I saw your car going north on dufferin turning onto rutherford .. I tried to wave but I was in my MDX and you probably didn't notice ;-)

Speaking of NSX sightings, I also saw a nice black NSX heading west on 407, near 427 this afternoon. 3 NSX's in 3 days... :biggrin:

BTW, I think the Type-R suspension is pretty drivable on the street as well, and seems to be a "must-get" item if you're spending much time on the track. Daria, any comments on this?
 
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I Think that my TODA coilovers are very similar to the TYPE R suspension based upon the spring rates, but mine are 25% stiffer (not a lot).

I find my coilovers streetable - so the Type Rs should be fine.

Ive got a brand new RM Racing rear strut bar that I brought up from the US (that does not fit my Targa). It will tighten up the rear end and make the car a little more neutral than it is. If your interested, shoot me a PM. It will NOT FIT ON TARGAS.
 
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Arshad said:
I think the Type-R suspension is pretty drivable on the street as well, and seems to be a "must-get" item if you're spending much time on the track. Daria, any comments on this?

It just happens that I was at Dunnville on Saturday. I too only reach 3rd gear on the 2 long straights. It's mostly a 2nd gear track with the NSX. With good momentum you'll find that the car can stay in the 5000 rpm range (did bounce off the rev limiter once or twice trying to stay in 2nd into some of the turns). :tongue:

Dunnville is not a good track to gauge body roll - off course you'll roll with 13 tight 2nd gear turns! Don't forget that your shocks are probably 12 ~ 13 years old (unless they were replaced) and that plays a big part in the roll.

I have the Type R suspension with the Comptech camber bushings. The Type R does not lower your suspension a substantial amount (like the Tiens) and I found with R compound tires, I could use more negative camber. I maxed out on the camber adjustments, hence the Comptech camber bushings (at the expense of wearing the tires even more on the inside during regular Hwy 401 driving).

I think the Dunnville track is extremely safe for an NSX group get-to-gether. Lionel was trying to set something up for NSX's this fall (but then he had to leave the country suddenly for a funeral). How many NSX'ers would be up to it?
 
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I've got a pretty much stock 91 and am looking at getting out to a track sometimes to give it a try. Its got a snap ring tranny so with any luck it'll shatter and I'll have an excuse for the short gears!
What is the best way to find out about track times around the GTA?

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BMW is having a mosport weekend mid september. Ive not been to that event but it is suposed to be excellent. Id start there - lots of instructors.
 
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BMW is having a mosport weekend mid september. Ive not been to that event but it is suposed to be excellent. Id start there - lots of instructors.

Here's the link to the BMW club driver's training:
http://www.trillium-bmwclub.ca/trillium/site/page.jsp?DriverTraining

These guys have held driving schools at Cayuga in the past:
http://www.apexperformancedriving.com/

These guys have one more event on Sept 5th for this season:
http://www.kensairacing.com/lapping.php

These guys hold 5 or 6 events at Mosport every year:
http://www.dexterautosport.com/pages/318284/index.htm

A new track in Dunnville just recently opened up:
http://home.cogeco.ca/~vette/dunnvilleautodrome/circuit.htm

Trackmaster's (based in NY State) come up to Mosport every year:
http://www.trackmasters.com/

If you want to drive a little bit farther, try:
http://www.cgimotorsports.com/
 
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Thanks for all the help!
I'd love to give Dunnville a try but I do have the occasional commitment ( work) that gets in the way. With a bit of notice I should be able to get almost any day off though.
Bruce
 
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Here's a copy of a memo I received from the BMW Trillium Club. It's a great opportunity for those who have not been to Mosport to come and see the activities for FREE. Saturday's track walk at 5:00 pm (hosted by very qualified instructors & racers and usually includes free beer) is the best experience you'll have (next to driving the track) and it's followed by a free BBQ dinner at the track. So come and support he "non-BMW" drivers!
Cheers, Daria
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You Are Invited To Mosport Dayz VII!

Each year for the past 6 years, the Trillium Chapter of the BMW Club of Canada has hosted club racers from both Canada and the United States. This occurs on the same weekend as our September Advanced Driving School. This year the School and Club Race will be held over the September 10/11 weekend. By hosting this racing event, we have publicised our chapter to our affiliated clubs and have provided opportunity to broaden the horizons of Trillium members.

This is an invitation to all Trillium Chapter members to come out to Mosport International Raceway to watch the club racing, investigate the school, enjoy Mosport's park atmosphere and even camp for the weekend. You can do all of this for NO COST!

Club Racing

Club Racers will have 5 practice sessions on Friday, two sprint races on Saturday and one enduro race on Sunday. The racing occurs Saturday from 11:30 am to 12:00 and 4:30 pm to 5:00. The Sunday enduro is from 11:30 am to 12:30 pm.

Viewing opportunities exist just about all around the track. The top of turn 2, outside of turn 3 and outside of turn 8/9 can all be driven to. Many people consider the outside of turn 5 to be the best view. You can get to turn 5 either by driving on the outside of the track (through the tunnel between 1 & 2; you can park at corner 4, then take the short hike to turn 5. You can also get there by driving down the access road on the inside of the track to the base of the "Continental" foot bridge at corner 4 - then hiking over to corner 5. See the track map on Mosport's website to get an idea of the track layout.

Trillium Advanced Driving School

Our driving schools are open to all BMW Car Club members with Trillium members taking preference. If you haven't participated in a school, you are welcome to come view the activities. Our schools provide a combination of classroom and driving instruction to help our members improve their driving skills and become safer drivers on our public roads. The school proper runs on September 10 and 11 from 8:00 am to 5:00 pm.

Saturday will provide two opportunities for spectators to participate in the event. We hold a track walk after the track is closed to cars at 5:00 pm. During this walk, students and other interested parties will have the opportunity to view the track from outside their cars. This is useful to illustrate the variety of road surface and the elevation changes. Mosport is famous for its elevation changes. The track walk departs from the base of the control tower at 5:00 pm on Saturday.

If you get a chance, tune in to the ALMS race that will be broadcast September 4 on SPEED channel. The Commentators will no doubt talk about the track's elevation changes. The pictures will NOT do it justice! After watching a race on television, come out and investigate the track in person. Be amazed that the hills which appear so flat on TV are in fact very tall!

Bicycles are allowed on the track after 5:00 pm. For kids, adult supervision is required. Remember the hills.

Dinner!

After the track walk, you are welcome to have dinner with us. The staff at Mosport's snack bar prove that they are capable of so much more and prepare a great meal for our school participants. Sorry, but this will cost you. If you are interested in having dinner on Saturday, please contact Gerry Low ASAP to tell him you are coming. The cost is $15 per person.

Mosport is a great place for kids!

The Trillium chapter rents the entire Road Course facility from Friday to Sunday. This includes camping, the use of the washrooms and playgrounds. The site has numerous treed areas along with large grassy fields. Kids love to explore the infield. The track is fenced in and Marshals keep a close eye on the track at all times when it is active. Possible activities for kids include riding their bikes on the many paths, kite flying in the infield (with Adult supervision – lets not drop any kites across power lines), playing on the kid's playset or even sliding down grassy hills on cardboard.

There are many places where a tent could be set up. Campers will be best parked on the west side (outside) of the track. There, you can be parked right at the end of the main straight for a great view. Fires are permitted but you must bring your own firewood. The groundskeepers at Mosport are extremely watchful of their trees! Water is available as are washrooms with showers. Mosport provides very basic camping – no hookups. This is a water bottle and cooler type place.

Here's the legal stuff

All guests MUST first sign the TRACK waiver upon entering the Mosport property, and they MUST also sign the Club Waiver at the Club Registration desk (inside the Classroom or Tent), and then receive a RED WRIST BAND which must be visible on your person before being allowed on the track walk
 
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I contacted the registrar for the driving classes trying to get in and was put on a waiting list. Currently I'm in top spot as one other ahead of me already got in. I'm really hoping I get to take a spin around that track! It sounds like a really good program and if I get in I'll let you know how it all was. Only had my NSX a couple months so would like the chance to take it up a notch with some expert help in a safe environment.

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Installed a new set of Comptech adjustable sway bars a couple of days ago, took about 3 hrs. and a lot of pushing and prying to get the front one in. The car feels a tiny bit rougher on the road, not much different from before, the handling is now go-kart like. Love these bars.
 
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Since I also have a Silver 91 I guess I will need those bars as I am definitely looking for the feel you described.
If I don't get into the drivers training I will be ordering up a set right away to ease the pain. I was hoping to get them before the session but the timing was not good. I really appreciate the feedback as I was wondering what the difference was in the feel of the car.
The only experience I have with swaybars was with my ( sold) RSX as I did springs, bars and 18" tires/rims. While it handled great on real smooth surfaces, if you hit some bumps it wasn't too pleasurable with all those ride stiffening parts, it bounced rather than holding. This is what I'm trying to avoid with my NSX. The plan is to get the bars and maybe the Type S or Zanardi suspension. Tires after that. I'm going to stick with OEM parts as I trust them and my brother works for Honda and I get reeeeal happy hour pricing on all Honda parts :biggrin:
 
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Just found out from my wife that I got in to the BMW driver training this weekend at Mosport.
Somehow she forgot to mention it for a whole day after the getting a call form the organizers. I'll have to talk to her about priorities!
I'll surely be wishing I had the suspension upgrades already taken care of but I'm going in bone stock except for a cat back exhaust.
One other thing I was wanting to install was the Cantrell Concepts air intake. From what I see in the picture it just looks like a little fiberglass duct of no great complexity.
Spa 2000, you installed one recently, is my assumption correct?
If so I was thinking of making one myself as I have experience a plenty in composites of which I have dabbled in for over 20 years.
I bet your coilovers are nice! I think I saw you a few weeks ago by Ashbridges Bay, unfortunately you were stopped at a light so I couldn't hear that exhaust. It was a real windy day and I was just coming in from a day of kitesurfing.

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coiler said:
Just found out from my wife that I got in to the BMW driver training this weekend at Mosport.

Youre gonna have a blast. I was thinking of attending, but decided on going on the 22nd instead. Few spots open if ppl are still interested. 15 cars only. Youll get 250km of track driving if your up to it.

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One other thing I was wanting to install was the Cantrell Concepts air intake. From what I see in the picture it just looks like a little fiberglass duct of no great complexity.
Spa 2000, you installed one recently, is my assumption correct?

Its actually composite, not fiberglass, but yes, it is fairly simple in design. Mine went in fairly easily. It took about 90 minutes in total, and Im not that handy and I took my time. I love it. Deep growl.

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I think I saw you a few weeks ago by Ashbridges Bay, unfortunately you were stopped at a light so I couldn't hear that exhaust. It was a real windy day and I was just coming in from a day of kitesurfing.

You lucky [email protected]$tard! That was definately me; I live right there in Woodbine Park right across from that beach. I watch you guys all the time with envy. Gone are my days of boardsailing. I keep wishing that they wernt.

You wernt in your NSX were you? I didnt see any.
 
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I was in the surfmobile( 96 Astrovan) that thing is exhilerating at 120kmh where the NSX needs to do about 180 before the excitement really gets going! I think I may have saw you once going up Yonge St just before 7 am a few months ago. I was stopped at a light at Front St going north and you were turning west. That day I was in my Sebring Silver beauty.
Kiteboarding is good but I guess this weekend will be enough fun to make me keep my eyes off the wind and on the track for a couple days. Kiting is getting too popular as it definitely has limits as to how many people can safely occupy a beach. Ashbridges is just crazy dangerous on windy days now for both participants and spectators.
The intake sounds like a good winter or more likely spring project for me . Once I get it shaped and make a mold it should be about $ 10.00 in materials to make the part


Daria, if you dont mind me asking,where are you getting your car inspected? I have no real choice at this time except to go to Sherway Acura. It was just saftied there a couple months ago and all it really needs is to have the brake fluid replaced and the safety inspection. For those two things, I'm scared to think what they are going to charge me! If I had a few more days notice I would do the fluid myself but need the special tool for the ABS. Look forward to meeting you this weekend!

Bruce
 
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Hi Bruce,

You can take your car to any mechanic for the BMW school tech inspection. Tell them it's not a safety inspection - show them the form. My experience with dealing with Acura service people on this matter, is that they will charge you big $$$ for this relatively minor inspection service. If you can't find someone local to do it for $40-$50, try Eurojapan Motors in Markham 905-415-1006 - ask for Arpi and tell him its for the BMW Trillium school. I've used him a few times in the past. There is also a shop in Etobicoke called Eurotech Import Auto (Kipling & Evans Rd area) 416-255-3376. They too are familar with the BMW tech inspection as many of the club members use them. They will inspect any car - doesn't need to be a BMW.

If the brake fluid hasn't been changed for a while (more than a year), I'd strongely recommend you do so. Any of the high temp performance fluids....Motul 600, ATE, Castrol SRF, etc work well. If you're on a budget (or just plain cheap, like Daria and I), you can also use the HD Ford Spec 550 deg fluid sold at Crappy Tire. You will however need to flush it more often due to its relatively low wet temp spec.

I'll be instructing at the BMW school this weekend. I look forward to meeting you.

Rui
 
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I'm beginning to love my computer, it just gets me all kinds of great info!
Thanks for the help, I'm just around the corner from the Eurotech place. I will cancel my Acura appointment and see them first thing tomorrow.
I'm pretty much like you guys ( cheap) and I'm not opposed to spending money but when I spend it I like to get value. I had my RSX in for service to keep the warranty good and it was unbelievable the things they wanted to do and the car hardly had any kms on it. The RSX really needs no major service till 176000km but they sure can make things up to try to keep it in there. Guess they have to pay for all those dudes working at the welcome desk somehow.
Look forward to meeting you guys on the weekend.

Thanks again, Bruce
 
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coiler said:
I think I may have saw you once going up Yonge St just before 7 am a few months ago. I was stopped at a light at Front St going north and you were turning west.

Yep- me. I remember seeing you. You can find me there every morning between 6:45 and 6:50 as I head off to work at Bay and Front.

Lately the entire building is noticing my obnoxiously loud NSX come and go. Appareltly it can be heard from quite a distance; most excellent.

Thanks SOS.
 
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Daria, if you dont mind me asking,where are you getting your car inspected? Bruce
The 2 places I have my car inspected prior to the BMW events is at:

Import Performance Centre in Brampton (Ken 905-791-2277) and Gilman Auto in Scarborough (Raymond 416-289-1388). Neither of these guys have ever charged me anything for this service, but I do take ma car into their shops for regular service.

We'll definitely chat more at the track.
I can't wait till you introduce me to your brother .... I love happy hours at a Honda dealership too! :wink:
 
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