After it is usually all said and done, is it correct to say that any FI solution with install and with any necissary accompaning hardware such as exhaust, headers, etc., that the price is usually over $10,000?
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diablo2469 said:
no. it depends on what you want. a "basic" BBSC is $6500 plus install.
I've spent close to $12000 including aftercooler, cold air intake, FJO, boost/fuel gauge etc.
But most might be happy with the basic..
I think GJ quoted me $6500 plus install for a basic 6 psi turbo set up without an intercooler.
diablo2469 said:
...I've been researching the answer to just this question...and it appears when alls said and done ~$10,000 is an accurate budget mark for completed F/I. Furthermore, I would personally go with Gerry Johnson as he has the most affordable "entry-level" F/I solutions starting at under $6,000 if i'm not mistaken* ...but getting the intercooler option and budgeting in a clutch installed with shipping to and fro....I'd say you'd be at $10-to-11K. Or you could pay approx. $20K and get a whole new car with an FX 500 package from Factor X :-D
Thanks, that is what i figured to do it "right". Somehow i doubt anyone here has JUST a base kit. i would love to hear from anyone that does though.
I have a basic BBSC Gen 1 on my Zanardi. I was one of the first installs on his first road trip (May, 02). I already had a B&B exhaust and I have plenty of power for the track. Other upgrades before the supercharger were springs, wider wheels/tires and big brakes.diablo2469 said:
how much torque/hp to the wheel increase are we talking about on a basic kit, turbo(6lb i guess) and bbsc, etc? do they only break the 100 more mark with coolers/headers/exhaust, etc? is it like $8000 for a basic kit w/install and 80 more hp?
Honestly...in my personal opinion, it's not worth going thru the troubles of having F/I if you're making anything under 360RWHP...when there's 3.3 L engine packages can offer upto 320RWHP with stock-like reliability and razor sharp throttle response for under $10K* (not to mention the sounds effects of a 8500-9000rpm redline! :-D )
NSXTASY_MD said:
I would like to know what the 3.3L that you are talking about costs with labor. I am assuming you are talking about SOS's engine. Also, do we know it has stock-like reliability? How many are actually on the road? - one?
And for your 360rwhp comment, I am not sure I agree with that either. To get that number you are going to probably need a 97 NSX with a CTSC or any year with a BBSC. If you do a lot of city driving etc, I think a CTSC would be great around town even if it only make 330rhwp. That is still nearly 100 more than a stock NSX.
I don't really know much about the turbo kits. Again, not many around yet.. especially low boost kits like the FX400.
If I were going to compare the FX400 vs the CTSC and BBSC, I would guess the FX400 would blow the doors off the other two and you are still roughly @ $10,000.
I do wonder though how good the turbo kits would be on a track vs. the SC's.
For $13,447 (list), I got SC/I/H/E from Comptech. Installation took the price up to about $17k. It has been very reliable and gives me 375 at the rear wheels.
NetViper said:
YOu might be right regarding more tq under the curve etc, but you also need to go to a stand alone ecu, which might be an issue for some people who don't want to, for whatever reason (for the fx400/500). There were several reasons i picked the bbsc, but the MAIN reason i picked it over, say, the fx 400 was location. I knew i was getting into somethign that could cause problems down the road, and wanted my help close at hand. I live in phx. That, and MB's reputation in the community was very well established. If i lived, in say north dakota, and DIDN't want the CTSC, then it would be a choice between fx/mb/gm/gj, and the bbsc was closest to a "kit" that any moderately skilled guy could install. tuning is another issue of course, but that would apply to any item on the list.
peiserg said:
There is no question having MB close by would be a HUGE plus for going with the BBSC.
MarkB said:
$17K!! Holy crap!
Still, your 375 rwhp is VERY strong. And that is still a 6lbs kit right?
YesNetViper said:
I don't think that number is accurate - the TEC3 will consume more than half of that alone ... and again, that's not considering headers or such already being there to begin with.NSXTASY_MD said:
Not a whole new car either - you still have brakes, clutch & transmission mods etc and other additions on top of the basic engine rebuild & turbo kit. Of the two people I have talked to with this route, their ticket was FAR in excess in $20K;NSXTASY_MD said:
These estimates at first glance sound good, but it's simply not realistic to expect you get either an "entry-level" kit at $6K, or a turn-key solution for $20K which covers "everything", that are ready to go at those prices without incurring additional costs at both ends of the spectrum.
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Why?NetViper said:
Armando
MiamieNeSeX said:
Why do you think? Maybe because he created it?
djskyy said:$17K and only 375hp...
yeah, that isnt very inticing. but i guess if that gets the job done. i just would like to get the job done cheaper. would this 375hp on our nsx theoretically beat a stock C6 in performance(definately beat a C5 right)? i know we have them beat hands down when it comes to fit/finish/reliability/style, i am just talking pure performance here, track AND street. i am trying to guage/justify price for performance on our cars. i am sure if i asked everyone that has FI on their NSX if it was worth all the money they put into it, they would probably all say yes.
diablo2469 said:
Remeber, that is 375 RWHP. A C6 is not putting down that much to the wheels.
NetViper said:Why do you think? Maybe because he created it?
Amazing that after all you profess regarding SC systems, you type what you did. Should all of GJ customers move within 50 miles of his shop, how about Factor X, the beauty of these systems is that although there are so few to choose from, there are hundreds of qualified tuners through out the country. Bost is Boost grashopper.
Armando
MiamieNeSeX said:
You must have nothing better to do with your time than pick fights about your freaking bbsc. Anyway.. I guess I need to read up on my "bost".
NetViper said:
NO, I mentioned all the others but for the Comptech, its you that singled out the BBSC, I was talking tuning, Spellcheck man..............
MiamieNeSeX said:
Do you not think it is an advantage to go with a BBSC when you live close to the guy who created it? We are not talking about moving within a 50 mile radius just because that is where mark is. He ALREADY lives there.
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