Fresh FX500 Dyno Graphs

Sig

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Went to a great shop in Maryland yesterday called Extreme Motorsports to get some rough spots (mostly on the vaccum side) in my AEM maps ironed out. Unfortunately, by the time we got around to logging the runs with boost in excess of 10psi... the engine was fairly heatsoaked. The IAT's were running about 50-60 degrees higher than what I typically see on the street. I am still using the stock IAT sensor that is located post-throttle body. So it doesn't measure the true temp of the intake air charge and is heavily influenced by the heat of the engine itself. The down side is that the sensor is very succeptable to heat soak, but it does add a bit of safety to test the engine when things aren't perfect. Ironically, the highest IAT's I typically see while on the street is when sitting still in traffic. Once the car get's moving and the throttle body is open to let in larger amounts of cool air, the IAT's come back down. Next time I will do a better job of keeping the conditions similar to what I see on the street:)

I could have run ice in the aftercooler resovoir and blew air on the intake with high speed fans to cool things down a bit, but I didn't in the interest of getting a safe tune even for non-optimal conditions. As a result, the AEM was pulling timing throughout the boost range to the tune of about 3 degrees. The best part about this is that the AEM is doing what it's supposed to do when the engine starts getting hot:) That coupled with the high IAT's from heat soak, maximum power was not what these pulls were intended to show. With the pulled timing & high IAT's, and running about 12-12.5 psi of boost, I was getting between 500-510rwhp SAE corrected.... and between 390-405 SAE corrected torque.

The dyno sheet that I will post later tonight will be a 501rwhp/390tq pull. Later on that(last) night I went out to do some real world testing of the tune and found it to run much stronger on the street than on the dyno. With the same boost controller setting... the car would generate about 2 more psi of boost and keep the timing table intact. My boost controller (Blitz SBC-ID) is currently set up to run in Maunual mode, where you set the boost level as funtion of maximum boost as opposed to dialing in the exact psi you want. So depending on the conditions, I will see variance in maximum boost by about 1-2psi.

I would estimate that with my typical street IAT's that this channel on my boost controller is producing 40-50 more rwhp than it did on the dyno when heat soaked. I have a previous dyno sheet from several months ago to back that up where it made 545 rwhp and 445 lbs of torque(Dynapak SAE #'s) on this same setting. One of these days after NSXPO I will go back to Extreme Motorsports because there is still one area of my map that needs a little work. I will try to get another run in when the engine is not heat soaked and will be sure to share the results with everyone.

Because the dyno output is in a special format that I cannot save as an image, later tonight I will post a photograph of the sheet:)
 
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Thanks D'Ecosse for the tip:)
 
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Referenced it right off your gallery Sig

Very nice numbers! I also like the cute little number in the other pic in your gallery!!!!
 
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NetViper said:
Wow. It makes more TQ @ 2700 RPM than a NA NSX makes at peak!

The interesting thing about the setup is that with the boost controller, you can affect how quickly the turbo spools up. One of the programmable variables controls the wastegate bleed-off rate.... which basically means, the point at which the wastegate begins to open and to what degree does it bleed off air until full boost is reached. At one extreme, it opens very early and bleeds significant air... which will yield a very slow spool. At the other extreme, it would stay completely shut until peak boost is reached.... which will yield a lightning fast spool. There are pros and cons to each one.... however the second of the two extremes is far more dangerous to the driver and to the engine. Not only does traction become a tap dance, but the car will have a tendancy to generate serious boost spikes when setup with an aggressive 'gain'.

With my current conservative 'gain' setting, traction is not too bad and the car remains controllable... albeit devilishly fast. It starts building boost low in the 2000's and reaches peak boost in the high 3000's yet it holds power quite well all the way to redline.... the result is a power band that is respectable in my eyes. I could quicken the spool with a more aggressive setting, but traction would be trickier and overall real world performance would not benefit much. One thing to keep in mind, and it has taken this whole experience to really understand it..... is that some things that look pretty on a dyno graph, are not always great for driveability. One of those things is a torque graph that can double as a vertical wall.
 
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The other key piece to a great power band is proper turbo matching. You can use a relatively small turbo and get amazing spool and huge peak torque numbers very early in the rev band...... but it will choke itself out on the top end. The other end of the spectrum is a monster turbo that spools late in the rev band, but gives great peak numbers. In both of these situations, the power band suffers..... one chokes itself out and the other can't breathe until very late in the game.

Unfortunately, it seems that vendors (factorX included) get too much credit based on hp numbers. The real credit should be given to the details that are invisible to the end customer. IMO, the biggest of which is the research done behind the scenes to determine things like the proper sizing of all the components in the system... right down to the diameters of each piece of piping. To FactorX's credit, they did an extensive amount of research on matching turbine and compressor sizes to work in optimum synergy with the volumetric efficiency of the NSX engine. The others out there that have taken the time to do this deserve credit for it equally. In this process, they collaborated with a very notable turbo expert in their research to choose the turbos they would include in their package. The result of their efforts is a turbo system that makes power quickly and keeps making power all the way to redline without choking at all. This is the same concept behind the broad torque curve of the NA NSX's.... and is even more fun with a turbo:)

The real gem behind the graph posted above is that the turbo is just scraping it's efficiency range. In other words, it doesn't have to work that hard to deliver those results.
 
Awesome set-up and *nice* write up Jason...great meeting you at the meet last night. Hope you show what that beast can do at NSXPO2004 at the Glen. :)


PS: And thanks for the ride...hope I wasn't a burden :D

...for those who wonder "how it felt"...i couldn't tell you, it made me too dizzy under WOT, seriously. lol
 
NSXTASY_MD said:
Awesome set-up and *nice* write up Jason...great meeting you at the meet last night. Hope you show what that beast can do at NSXPO2004 at the Glen. :)


PS: And thanks for the ride...hope I wasn't a burden :D

...for those who wonder "how it felt"...i couldn't tell you, it made me too dizzy under WOT, seriously. lol

So when are you ordering yours? :D
 
NetViper said:
So when are you ordering yours? :D

Hold on...I'm still calculating my finance charges for a personal loan. Can't dump $25+ grand cash all at once :D I think I'm going to get an auto loan on my already paid off NSX...to finance the mods at a cheap rate, lol. I say 25K+ becuase you MUST get the big brake kit with this package....keeping the stock brakes would be a fatal joke.
 
K said:
Sig, will u get some 1/4 mile times?

Perhaps some day. I'm not much into drag racing, although it is fun. If it stays warm, maybe I'll get a pass in before the end of the year. Right now I'm looking forward to the 2 days at Watkings Glen next week.
 
NSXTASY_MD said:
Awesome set-up and *nice* write up Jason...great meeting you at the meet last night. Hope you show what that beast can do at NSXPO2004 at the Glen. :)


PS: And thanks for the ride...hope I wasn't a burden :D

...for those who wonder "how it felt"...i couldn't tell you, it made me too dizzy under WOT, seriously. lol

The track event should be a ton of fun, although I probably won't push it too hard. I have a lot of learning to do on the track to get accustomed to the new properties of the car. That said, I do plan on streaking past some folks in the passing zones.

Glad you enjoyed the ride:)
 
I got a short ride in Sig's car last night and the acceleration from a 4 or 5 second burst of WOT in third gear was overwhelming!!!!!!!

(It was a short burst because with as much acceleration as thing has, you run through the gears REALLY FAST.)
 
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