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Just went from 2017 NSX to 2019 NSX

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This is what I posted in our private NSX group. My story of going from a 17 to 19 NSX. Sorry for the formatting of the copy paste.


Just wanted to go over my experience in going from a 2017 NSX which I bought new to trading for a slightly used essentially new 2019 NSX.

I was looking to trade the car towards a leftover 2019 Porsche 911 turbo or either a 2020 Audi r8 or leftover 2018 r8 v10 plus.
In the Porsche case there were over 200 leftover 911 turbos and I was consistently able to negotiate close to 30k off. I felt this was marginal and that
40k to 60k the latter on leftover turbo s could be achieved later when the new turbo comes out as there was plenty of leftover inventory.

In the R8s case I was able to achieve about $20k off the new 2020 R8 and 53k off leftover R8 v10 plus. I want to get this out of the way and risk sounding like a dick here but anyone who thinks the NSX is the only exotic car to receive discounts is DEAD WRONG. It is the only exotic except for the BMW I8 that gives a known rebate without being dishonest. See Porsche will lie to you as will McLaren and Audi and say there are not rebates. While that will be true there is money offered in the form of trunk money or other deals directly from the vehicles manufacturer that the non greedy dealer has the discretion of using at certain times based on inventory.
Example over a year ago the 2018 R8 was offering 40k to 50k off msrp on new v10 plus when they had 200 listed in inventory and this was marked at some dealers on the sticker. Mclaren dealers will punch a car as a demo particularly 570s even though the car has like 40 miles on it and offer 40k to 60k off easy at the end of the year or on leftovers. So please just stop it with the crying about NSX prices. AND if a dealer wont move on say a McLaren's price walk out its BS. Know the total amount of cars for sale nationwide and keep an eye on trends in pricing and scour forums for what people are getting discount wise. The deals can be had.

The real problem is NSX owners who allow dealers to bully them on trade in and get ridiculously low prices. You guys control the market. Think about it. This is a limited vehicle its not like a corvette where they are making 30k of these things a year. We have the ability to control price somewhat or at least to negotiate. I am not saying to be greedy just walk away and try to negotiate.

Sorry, now that that is out of the way back to why I went back to the NSX.


I had been looking at 911 Turbos for the last Couple years. After checking out the 2019s I felt they were an exceptional car but they were not as comfortable to sit in as the NSX. The ride is much more comfortable in sport mode and bottom line 911s are a dime a dozen. I can throw a rock at every stop light and hit some form of 911.

As far as the R8 is concerned The NSX drives better, corners better and is faster than the non plus version even with the new base v10 R8 bumping the horsepower by 30hp. Once you get past the cool google map display in the R8 you also quickly realize the NSX is much more technologically advanced through the drivetrain. And in my opinion looks a hell of a lot better and again much more comfortable seats and ride quality. Now keep in mind this was all compared to my 2017 NSX. I had not driven a 2019 yet.
So I located a 2019 near me slightly used a little over 1800 miles at a local dealership. I contacted them with what I was offered on my trade in $105k at both Porsche and Audi and we agreed on that component and then we agreed on the price at a little over 127k. I found out that they had been sitting on the car for a month and were going to auction it at Manheim.
My condition on the sale even occurring was a full PP inspection by NSX techs. The dealer was so afraid of the NSX being damaged that it did not want it taken off the lot. They worked with me and had the car FLAT BEDDED ! To Acura 25 miles away. They agreed to let me test drive it with the NSX tech after full inspection assuming it was ok.
So when I arrived at the Acura dealership in the shop area on the lift I saw what I assumed was a new NSX being prepped for delivery turns out it was the one I was going to buy. I asked the tech how does it look? He said brand new its perfect. They had been checking it out for over 2 hours and had the bottom covers off the car. Everything was perfect the car looked brand new.
He got it off the lift and I asked him to drive with me riding shotgun. These guys typically have incredible experience with the car and Acura's training is very extensive. Who better to judge the car.
When I got in he asked if I had ever driven a 2019. which I hadn't he then said there have been some improvements.
Please keep in mind a lot of the car reviewers that test a 2019 have not driven a 2017 since the launch years ago therefore how can they really compare it? It has also been stated that the new NSX specific sport contact 6 tire is responsible for most of the performance increase. Not the upgrades to the 2019. Here is the thing. For several months I had been driving around in a 2017 with new NSX specific sport contact 6 tires. So I would be able to tell the difference if there were any immediately and separately from the tires since I had the same set and most journalist had last driven a 17 on sport contact 5s.

When the Tech said there had been some improvements he was not kidding.
It feels like a different car immediately rolling slowly out of the parking lot the car felt much stiffer more rigid without compromising ride quality. The steering has much more feel to it. Sport mode now feels like a cross between sport and sport plus. The car is definitely more aggressive more playful without compromising ride quality. A much stiffer tank like feeling. The car is 25% better than it was. Below is a copy and paste of the full changes to 2019

Acura started with larger front and rear stabilizer bars, which had the effect of increasing the car’s stiffness by 26-percent and 19-percent respectively. Then it made the rear tow link bushings 21-percent stiffer, and the rear hub 6-percent more rigid. Combined with revamped hybrid software, tweaks to the magnetorheological dampers, power steering, and other systems, the result is a car with more readily-controlled – and indeed provoked – understeer and oversteer at the limit, not to mention a car that’s more playful in general.


I have no idea how Acura could do this without compromising ride quality. The car is hands down amazing. Nothing feels or handles like this car or is as comfortable or drivable or had the sense of immediate acceleration. More importantly the car feels special ,Sorry the Porsche did not and the R8 not even close.

I see a Porsche at every stop light and soon will see 30k c8 corvettes every year being built. You will be able to throw a rock at a stoplight and hit 7 corvettes. No thanks. I like to be different I don’t want what everyone else has and I am not a douche bag that needs a big name brand badge.
The more important deciding factor for me was during the recalls for gas tanks etc. Acura and particularly Lee the NSX concierge always made sure things ran smoothly. Acura treated me well and no matter how much of a pain in the ass I was they got my car fully sorted. Do you know what GM would have done on a recall like that? They would have lied, waited till cars caught fire endangered peoples lives etc. That is what GM does. Look up the GM ignition scandal.
Acura hands down has treated me better than Porsche or Audi.

So there it is and why I went with another NSX. If Acura keeps up like this they may have a customer for life.
 

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Great, stuff, thanks for sharing the big win adventure

The car looks terrific

Enjoy it in the best of health
 
I really liked reading your purchase decision and rationale. I feel it captured some of my own reasons for purchasing the new NSX. Enjoy!
 
Great story and congratulations!

How many miles did you end up putting on your 2017 (if you don't mind me asking)?

So what were your impressions of the 2017 with the Sport Contact 6 tire over the original ContiSportContact 5P tire?
 
Great story and congratulations!

How many miles did you end up putting on your 2017 (if you don't mind me asking)?

So what were your impressions of the 2017 with the Sport Contact 6 tire over the original ContiSportContact 5P tire?

Put about 9300 on the 2017. I really liked the Sport contact 6 tires they were a big improvement over the sport contact 5s.

I always had traction issues with the sport contact 5s fishtailing etc. No issue like that with the 6s they felt great. There is actually a NSX specific version of the sport contact 6 I think the other version sold is for Audi.
 
Great story! Interesting perspective going from 2017 to 2019. Looks like it really is much better!
 
porsche37
Thanks for sheding light on what the posche faithful don't want to see. If you posted this on Rennlist their heads would explode.
I was in Newport Beach today and followed a Silver '19 NSX just admiring the design and looks. This car gets as many looks as my Ford GT did. Something to exclusivity.
Jimmy aka sled driver
 
Your post was a great read - Thanks for sharing. Is your NSX Casino White ? I've been thinking of the new NSX as a replacement for my 1997 Spa Yellow NA2.
 
Your post was a great read - Thanks for sharing. Is your NSX Casino White ? I've been thinking of the new NSX as a replacement for my 1997 Spa Yellow NA2.

Thanks for taking the time to read my post. I really appreciate it.

Yes Casino white, the paint on these cars is amazing especially the metallic colors. I hope you get a second gen NSX you will love it.
 
We were at Costco in Goleta, CA the other day and I happen to see a guy get out of a new Audi E-Tron. We had considered the E-Tron as a replacement for the Chevy Bolt EV, however my wife thought it was too big for her tastes. Anyway as we walked towards the entrance he stepped out of the car. And I said How do you like your new E-Tron. He said he thought it was great. I told him about our almost buying one and instead getting the Nouvelle Blue NSX that was parked a couple of isles away. He said he noticed it and thought it looked great. I then mentioned that I was looking at a Porsche Turbo S, but decided against it. He turned and told us about his Porsche and his Son's take on it. Apparently he had purchased a new Porsche 911 last year. When he picked up his Son at College to take him out for dinner the Son told him in no uncertain terms what he thought about the Porsche. Something like this. Every Bald Asshole in Los Angeles trying to prove his virality drives a Porsche. It is terrible and you need to get rid of it. He said after that conversation he was embarrassed to drive it. He did just that and ended up with the E-Tron. Now I am not saying his son is right.... The NSX has never really had that vibe.
 
We were at Costco in Goleta, CA the other day and I happen to see a guy get out of a new Audi E-Tron. We had considered the E-Tron as a replacement for the Chevy Bolt EV, however my wife thought it was too big for her tastes. Anyway as we walked towards the entrance he stepped out of the car. And I said How do you like your new E-Tron. He said he thought it was great. I told him about our almost buying one and instead getting the Nouvelle Blue NSX that was parked a couple of isles away. He said he noticed it and thought it looked great. I then mentioned that I was looking at a Porsche Turbo S, but decided against it. He turned and told us about his Porsche and his Son's take on it. Apparently he had purchased a new Porsche 911 last year. When he picked up his Son at College to take him out for dinner the Son told him in no uncertain terms what he thought about the Porsche. Something like this. Every Bald Asshole in Los Angeles trying to prove his virality drives a Porsche. It is terrible and you need to get rid of it. He said after that conversation he was embarrassed to drive it. He did just that and ended up with the E-Tron. Now I am not saying his son is right.... The NSX has never really had that vibe.

His son sounds like a tool ...

MC
 
We were at Costco in Goleta, CA the other day and I happen to see a guy get out of a new Audi E-Tron. We had considered the E-Tron as a replacement for the Chevy Bolt EV, however my wife thought it was too big for her tastes. Anyway as we walked towards the entrance he stepped out of the car. And I said How do you like your new E-Tron. He said he thought it was great. I told him about our almost buying one and instead getting the Nouvelle Blue NSX that was parked a couple of isles away. He said he noticed it and thought it looked great. I then mentioned that I was looking at a Porsche Turbo S, but decided against it. He turned and told us about his Porsche and his Son's take on it. Apparently he had purchased a new Porsche 911 last year. When he picked up his Son at College to take him out for dinner the Son told him in no uncertain terms what he thought about the Porsche. Something like this. Every Bald Asshole in Los Angeles trying to prove his virality drives a Porsche. It is terrible and you need to get rid of it. He said after that conversation he was embarrassed to drive it. He did just that and ended up with the E-Tron. Now I am not saying his son is right.... The NSX has never really had that vibe.
Awesome. 911s have never done anything for me. Like what the OP said way up top.
 
Thanks for posting here, as a prospective buyer. Is that a front lip protector on your car? If so, wondering what you recommend and how curbs have been for you over the past few years of ownership?

I saw a car on eBay with a front lift kit that's around 4K installed, but wonder if the likelihood to hit curbs is as bad as it seems and what replacement costs are for that part of the car.
 
Thanks for posting here, as a prospective buyer. Is that a front lip protector on your car? If so, wondering what you recommend and how curbs have been for you over the past few years of ownership?

I saw a car on eBay with a front lift kit that's around 4K installed, but wonder if the likelihood to hit curbs is as bad as it seems and what replacement costs are for that part of the car.

The problem is not really curbs its when you are entering a parking lot and its not graded properly and the incline is to abrupt. You have to be really careful ran across this with the R8 and various Porsches as well. Also speed bumps can be a problem if you don't approach them dead on and in the center.

sometimes you just have to turn around if that's the case. I had some light scrapes under the nose in the 2017 but it was the same with the R8 which would also bottom out near the rear diff.

The Previous owner of the 2019 installed the scrape protector which probably is worth it. As far as cost to repair just some paint if you can even see the scrapes which is easier on a non metallic car.

If you hit a curb badly though and had that carbon fiber that would be crazy expensive one of the reasons I would not get carbon fiber on the lower part of the cars.

Some advice if you are looking to purchase one and want to save on costs such as maint and not lose as much money on trade in.

You don't get anything back for carbon fiber or CCB brakes on trade in. I have confirmed this looking at wholesale and auction prices and with my own experience. What matters is condition of car and verifiable maint through Acura.

With The NSX there really is no base car the only thing separating a $205k car from a $165k is about $40k worth of carbon and CCB brakes. Its not like an R8 where you have V10 and V10 plus. The carbon fiber does nothing for performance and on the street the steel brakes are very very good and don't have that oh shit moment when ccbs are cold and not warmed up.


for an owner both in and out of warranty CCB carbon ceramic brakes are a liability. CCB require a whole separate set of maint. this will probably offend some but I believe Doug Demuro or hoovies garage? did a video on how expensive CCB brakes are out of warranty no thanks.

some switch their CCbs to girodisc iron rotors for track days because of the expense of the CCB brake pads and rotors.


In my opinion if you are looking for one on the used market and a 2017 or even new go with an Iron rotor car much cheaper maint and iron rotors are easier to replace can be resurfaced and don't cost $10k per axle.

Some people will tell you the CCb will last you the life of the car maybe but if you get a rock caught in a caliper and it chips the rotor there goes $5k whereas I have had this happen several times with the iron rotors and no damage.
 
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Hothonda,
In some respects I have to agree that Acura/Honda has done a woeful job marketing the NSX gen2.

Many wonderful sports cars are ahead of their time and may not be the instant sales success rendering them the fate of bean counters, 65-66 Shelby GT350, original Ford Cobra 289, '05-06 Ford GT 94 Porsche 911, (company was on verge of bankruptcy until the 993 saved them) are a few that come to mind. But look at the resale now.

How will Porsche price it's future hybrid vehicles? The Porsche 918 technology will trickle down to masses soon as the new platform is designed to accommodate batteries. Given Porsche has the highest profit margin of any massed produced car it will be for more $ than the NSX 2. I just want my technology and performance now wrapped in a jaw dropping design.

Jimmy aka sled driver
 
Great post, OP. So glad you had a great experience AND had the opportunity to drive both 2017 and 2019. Enjoy in good health.
 
Nice writeup...Out of curiosity, why did you opt for this particular car over a new one, such as Niello's? That one is advertised for just a few thousand more, and you can surely squeeze a slightly bigger discount on that.
 
Nice writeup...Out of curiosity, why did you opt for this particular car over a new one, such as Niello's? That one is advertised for just a few thousand more, and you can surely squeeze a slightly bigger discount on that.

Neillos car at the time of this post was advertised for $136,900 mine was $127.800 . That's a 9k difference..... was able to do much better on my trade so overall car was 20k cheaper.


They were only willing to negotiate marginally at Niello.

But.. let's say best case scenario occurred

Even if they were to go down to $126900k so 10k less than their already reduced price of 30k for a total of 40k off.......

with the diff in trade in the Niello car was much more expensive, 10k more. But who knows what the future holds for discounts.

You do the best with what's in front of you and in my case I did.
The car I chose was a much better deal at the time.
 
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Awesome post and review. I am a member of the private FB 2nd gen NSX group but I despise how FB filters and sorts stories so I never see good stuff like this posted unless I spend hours on FB combing through every post. I'm glad you posted it here.

I've owned my 2017 since Nov 17, and have driven the 2019 NSX at the Honda Proving Grounds. I didn't get a chance to drive back to back my 17 and the 19, and I don't drive my 17 enough, so I was not able to tell the difference as acutely as you did.

I'm still in love with my 2017, but wish I had more time to enjoy it. Life is just far too busy and hectic these days to enjoy the fruits of our labor.
 
Awesome post and review. I am a member of the private FB 2nd gen NSX group but I despise how FB filters and sorts stories so I never see good stuff like this posted unless I spend hours on FB combing through every post. I'm glad you posted it here.

I've owned my 2017 since Nov 17, and have driven the 2019 NSX at the Honda Proving Grounds. I didn't get a chance to drive back to back my 17 and the 19, and I don't drive my 17 enough, so I was not able to tell the difference as acutely as you did.

I'm still in love with my 2017, but wish I had more time to enjoy it. Life is just far too busy and hectic these days to enjoy the fruits of our labor.

Thank you for the feedback

you should look for this post in our private Facebook group. We have a few owners that went from 17s to 19s and they have commented on what I felt the differences were. There were quite a lot of comments. Worth reading through.

Enjoy your NSX! In my opinion there is nothing even comparable right now just an amazing car.
 
Awesome post and review. I am a member of the private FB 2nd gen NSX group but I despise how FB filters and sorts stories so I never see good stuff like this posted unless I spend hours on FB combing through every post. I'm glad you posted it here.

I've owned my 2017 since Nov 17, and have driven the 2019 NSX at the Honda Proving Grounds. I didn't get a chance to drive back to back my 17 and the 19, and I don't drive my 17 enough, so I was not able to tell the difference as acutely as you did.

I'm still in love with my 2017, but wish I had more time to enjoy it. Life is just far too busy and hectic these days to enjoy the fruits of our labor.


You know you can set fb to sort posts by chronological order.
 
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