Likely Marketplace forum change

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I am about this close (imagine me with my thumb and index finger about 5mm apart) from changing the way the Marketplace forums work because of the nonstop rules violations.

A day does not go by that ANYTIME does not have a bunch of threads or messages to edit, move, delete, or revise because they are in violation of one or more rules. I also take care of probably 3-5 a day. In fact I would say there is something violating one or more rules posted every few hours of every single day.

If the situation does not drastically improve over the next week, I am going to change all the Marketplace forums to operate on an approval basis. That means you can post a message but nobody will be able to see it until ANYTIME or I approve it.

I really do not want to have to do this, but I have pretty much lost patience with all the folks who either do not bother to read the rules (which are linked right from the forum description), or feel the rules do not apply to them "just this once."
 
NSX Prime said:
I am about this close (imagine me with my thumb and index finger about 5mm apart) from changing the way the Marketplace forums work because of the nonstop rules violations.

A day does not go by that ANYTIME does not have a bunch of threads or messages to edit, move, delete, or revise because they are in violation of one or more rules. I also take care of probably 3-5 a day. In fact I would say there is something violating one or more rules posted every few hours of every single day.

If the situation does not drastically improve over the next week, I am going to change all the Marketplace forums to operate on an approval basis. That means you can post a message but nobody will be able to see it until ANYTIME or I approve it.

I really do not want to have to do this, but I have pretty much lost patience with all the folks who either do not bother to read the rules (which are linked right from the forum description), or feel the rules do not apply to them "just this once."

I can understand your frustration, Lud. Perhaps the best way is to have you approve members instead of individual posts. If a member has proven that he can post ads that adhere to the rules, then he doesn't not need to have you or ANYTIME approve his posts. This would be more efficient for the members who are following the rules, and would also eliminate unnecessary work for you and ANYTIME.

Your approval process may be a simple communication between you and the member to make sure that they have read and understand the rules before posting. You might want to also approve their first few ad postings, but that's up to you.

-CiaoBoy
 
Hi Lud
I think Anytime is doing a great job with the fourm.
It looks like a lot of the people breaking the rules do not post here much.
How about a pop up with the rules ( in the market place fourm) when they hit the submit reply button.
This way they can see the rules before it is posted.
Brian.
 
Hi Lud, is there a way that you can make the rules page come up to be read and agreed upon before you can post in the for sale forum. Maybe highlighting some of the more violated rules. That way, if the rules are violated ANYTIME can just delete the post for non compliance. No moving, editing, changing, just deleting. ;) I know I am guilty of posting without a price and it was because I didnt read the rules first:rolleyes: If I was forced to read the rules before I posted, I probably would not have made that mistake, especially if I knew my post would be deleted.

Just a thought.
 
I agree with you Lud. I can only imagine how much time you dedicate to this site and to have to spend more time to fix problems that should not have occurred in the first place must be frustrating. I very much appreciate all the time you and others spend to make this site enjoyable for everyone.
More annoying than people that do not set a price in their ad are the ones that post a link to an ebay auction. Its parts for sale NOT parts for auction to the highest bidder.
 
I checked the Marketplace section several times today and read every post (normally I only glance at it once or twice a week and let ANYTIME handle things). I ended up having to make 14 moves/deletions in about 16 hours. :mad:
 
One thing I have wondered about on this forum is that I saw something for sale posted by someone who had the word Banned under their name. I searched but could not find a definition of this status, but I bet it meant that person should not be selling due to something done in the past. But the person was allowed to post, and the post was not deleted. Perhaps at least posting by banned members should be prevented, if that is the meaning of the status.

I do agree with both the approval by person instead of by post (revocable after one warning if rules are broken perhaps) and the idea of seeing rules before posting (but as a web page, not in one of those little scrolling text areas that are used for legal discliamers).

Chip
 
I have no problem with or see any reason why the proposed changes aren't a good thing other than it being a big time waster or you and the other mods. Perhaps more mods are in order? The forum is expanding with more members and the workload only gets bigger...
 
calexand said:
One thing I have wondered about on this forum is that I saw something for sale posted by someone who had the word Banned under their name. I searched but could not find a definition of this status, but I bet it meant that person should not be selling due to something done in the past. But the person was allowed to post, and the post was not deleted. Perhaps at least posting by banned members should be prevented, if that is the meaning of the status.
Chip,

My understanding of how this works (and Lud can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think so) is that "Banned" is a status that appears under someone's name, just like "Registered Member", "Gold Member", etc. I think Lud uses this status at the same time that someone's posting privileges are revoked, so it does indeed mean that the member is banned from posting.

When the status is changed for a member, it is changed for all posts. That means it is retroactive to any posts that the member has already posted, even though the member was not banned at the time that the post was created. Even without knowing which member or post you are referring to, I am quite confident that the status of the member you are referring to was changed after he made his post, not before. So he posted when he was not banned, and then he was banned from posting. Hope that makes sense.
 
Lud, I have a suggestion that may reduce the number of rules infractions.

When you list all the forums, the marketplace forums say, "see rules before posting", with a link to those rules. So far, so good.

However, when you display any individual forum - for example, NSXs For Sale - there is no link visible, and in fact, there is no indication that there are any rules for posting.

Furthermore, it's quite easy to use the forum jump feature to get to one of the marketplace forums, so you can get there without ever seeing that there are any rules.

My suggestion is that the rules for posting be included in a post iwith a sticky, at the top of each forum for which the rules apply. So if you look at the NSXs For Sale forum, the very first post listed is the Rules for Posting in This Forum. That way, the rules will be far more visible to anyone who is intending to post there.
 
Nice suggestion Ken, but I would go further. I would have people go through a form submission that was form field validated, then posting the text file to the forum, creating the new thread. Edits would also be controlled by form submission.

While we're at it, I'd do one more thing: I'd draw a line of who got to post for free and who didn't. It makes me ill when a dealer posts a car for sale, yet have never done anything for the NSX community. hey can pay a few bucks to reach to worlds largest NSX message delivery service. :p
 
Vendors & Dealers / Product Reviews
Commercial posts, product info & reviews, group buys. Report experiences with vendors or dealers. Must be NSX-related. 5462 673 01-07-2004 20:00
by KGP
ANYTIME
NSXs For Sale
NSXs for sale (running or salvage). Nothing else, no exceptions - Read the before using! 3547 823 01-07-2004 21:39
by JKK
ANYTIME
NSXs Wanted
NSXs wanted (running or salvage), or want to trade for an NSX - Read the before using! 1082 388 01-07-2004 20:21
by Damage
ANYTIME
NSX Parts For Sale
Parts for sale. Must be NSX-related, no exceptions - Read the before using! 10508 2575 01-07-2004 21:17
by LeftLane
ANYTIME
NSX Parts Wanted
Parts wanted. Must be NSX related, no exceptions - Read the before using! 3497 1641 01-07-2004 20:25
by BITeR
ANYTIME
Marketplace Discussion
Discuss items listed in the marketplace, report your experiences with private buyers and sellers.


my pc does not show the link, above is the text version of what is show, see no rule link..
 
That does not show either, can you cut the link text out of your address reader and post that, I will then cut and copy to mine.

Thanks

JK
 
Wow, what kind of browser are you using? Lynx?

Here's the actual text of the rules page:

BUYER BEWARE - As this marketplace forum is open to anyone with an e-mail address, there is always the potential for fraud. DO NOT think that just because you are dealing with another NSX owner (or someone who claims to be an owner) that you can trust them any more than you would a stranger. Some suggestions to make sure your deal goes right: 1) Consider the seller. Are they someone well known in the NSX community or a total stranger? 2) If possible, have someone you trust who is local to the seller verify or even pick up and pay for the item for you 2) Use a professional escrow service for high-dollar long-distance transactions 3) Do not be afraid to ask the seller for references from people you trust 4) I strongly encourage you to discuss with your financial institution ways to protect yourself during any high-dollar transaction.

SELLER BEWARE - Sellers can be ripped off too! Do not automatically assume a check is good (even a "certified" check). Checks can be cancelled or forged. Check fraud is also greatly on the rise as computers, scanners and color printers make is easier than ever to make very genuine looking fake documents. Also keep in mind that will see funds in your account before it is truly verified that a check is good; if the check is bad, those funds will be recalled. Do not give out your bank account number for a wire transfer; have the money wired to the bank and then have them transfer it to your account or issue you a cashiers check. I strongly encourage you to discuss with your financial institution ways to protect yourself during any high-dollar transaction.

USE YOUR HEAD - I do not mean to make anybody paranoid or scare you off from using the Marketplace Forums. Literally thousands of transactions have taken place through the NSX Prime Marketplace Forums and the vast majority have gone well. However there have been cases of fraud and misrepresentation of products in the past and there will likely be more in the future. If you use your head and take the appropriate steps to make sure your butt is covered all should be fine.

TIPS ARE APPRECIATED - These forums give you free access to the largest NSX marketplace in the world. While it is provided for free, a considerable amount of time, money and effort goes into making all this work. If you feel the use of this service has benefited you, please considering giving a little something back.



Submitting An NSX Prime Marketplace Ad
The NSX Prime Marketplace is provided as a free service to the NSX community. To help things run more smoothly, there are a few guidelines:

Rules Of The Game:
Only NSX-related ads are accepted
Ads must include detailed information on what is being sold. No vague ads such as "parting out '91 NSX - let me know what you want" or "many parts - e-mail with requests."
This is not an auction site. List your asking price for all cars or normal parts. If you have an odd part like a busted climate control unit that you don't know the value of, a "best offer" ad is OK.
Provide good contact information and timely responses to people inquiring about your ad.
Do not use annoying subject titles like "***** HOT NSX FOR SALE *****". Just type a title describing what you are selling such as "1991 Red/Black NSX for sale". Do not use ALL CAPITAL LETTERS in your ad.
The site administrator reserves the right to remove or reject any ad at any time for any reason. Ads may be edited without notice by the moderators or administrator for style, clarity or length.
Do not reply to an ad just to bump it up higher in the list more than once every 30-days. Such "bump" messages will be deleted. Repeated "bumps" will result in the ad being deleted.
Additional Rules For Vendors and Dealers:
Vendors and dealers are subject to all the Rules of the Game listed above, plus:

VENDOR ADS for NSX parts or services, "market surveys," or any other message of a commercial nature are allowed only in the Vendors forum. The sole exception is for "one-off" items that are not part of regular inventory (i.e. a vendor has a used part returned from a customer for sale), in which case it may be posted in the NSX Parts For Sale forum as long as the ad clearly indicates that you are a vendor or business.

CAR DEALERS: If you are in the business and you are listing an NSX for sale or wanted, you must explicitly indicate that you are a dealer at the beginning of the SUBJECT header for ad (i.e. "DEALER LISTING: 1991 Red/Black NSX For Sale").


Why Was XYZ Ad Deleted?!?!
The moderators move or delete a number of ads each week. They do not keep track of them all, so inquiries about a specific ad cannot and will not be answered. However, ads are typically deleted for one of three reasons:

The person who posted it asked for it to be deleted
The person who posted it did not follow the Rules of the Game above
The person who posted it has been banned

Why Are People Banned From The Marketplace?
People are banned for either of two very simple reasons:

Repeated violations of any of the Rules of the Game listed above
The moderators or administrator have received complaints that the person has misrepresented a product or price, is trying to "bait-and-switch," or is generally not following good faith business practices with the people trying to make a transaction.

"Who Are The Marketplace Forum Moderators / How Can I Contact Them?"
The moderators for all of the Marketplace Forums are displayed in the top left-hand corner under the logo as shown in this example. In the message forums you can just click on their name to e-mail them (obviously that doesn't work in the example).

Please do not e-mail the website administrator with marketplace questions or requests.



"Can I Include Pictures?"
Absolutely! Pictures are encouraged and if they are not included you will often be flooded with e-mails asking for pictures. The software lets you upload pictures from your computer for the ad. Pictures can be up to 800x600 resolution and 100,000 bytes.

You can also link images from other websites if you wish using the syntax:
mynsx1.jpg


In the example above, the tag is recognized by the software that runs the message forums and the image file at the specified URL will be added to the message. Note that this means you must have your pictures hosted on a web-accessible server! Also note that the "http://" part of the URL is REQUIRED for the [img] code.



"Can I Comment On Other People's Ads?"
Replies to ads must be legitimate questions or factual information that is directly relevant to the ad. If you know that somebody is misrepresenting their item, please contact one of the moderators immediately. Example of an acceptable reply: "Is that car up to date on all scheduled maintenance?". Examples of unacceptable reply: "That is an ugly color NSX. Nobody is going to want it so you should drop the price" or "Hey man I see you are in LA too - nice car, e-mail me if you want to get together."

Do not post "chit chatty" messages in the Marketplace forums - they will ALL be deleted without notice. There are other forums for discussing anything NSX related or even Off Topic which you are welcome to use for that purpose. Or try e-mail or a private message.



"How Long Will My Ad Run?"
Ads stay listed until they are deleted. You can re-submit the ad with different text, graphics, etc. if you are not getting a good response to your previous listing. Do not post an ad for the same thing more than once a month.


"How Many People Will See My Ad?"
The NSX Prime Marketplace receives tens of thousands of page views in a typical week. How many of those are people seriously interested in buying or selling whatever your ad is for is impossible for me to say. I do know that several cars and many, many parts have been sold through this listing service. If you successfully buy or sell something listed here I'd love to hear about it!



"How Do I Resolve A Dispute With A Buyer / Seller?"
Make every possible effort to resolve the issue via e-mail and phone. If it becomes clear that you are not going to be able to resolve the dispute, you can post a note about your experience in the Marketplace Discussion forum. That post must contain your real name, location and contact information - anonymous complaints will be deleted.



"How Do I Post An Ad?"
Simply register for the message forums (it is instant and FREE) and then post your ad in the appropriate message forum (NSXs for sale, NSXs Wanted, NSX Parts For Sale, NSX Parts Wanted). If the process is completely confusing, e-mail one of the moderators for the forum you want to post the add in and they will help you.



"How Do I Remove An Ad?"
The preferred method is to simply post a reply to your original ad staying that the car has been sold, you found the parts you were looking for, etc. The moderators will then "close" the message thread indicating to everyone that the ad is no longer active.

If you really want the ad removed, you can also ask the moderator to delete the ad if you like.

If the ad helped you buy/sell your item, please e-mail me to let me know (but send your deletion requests to a moderator, not me!)
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