moderator deleting entire thread?
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nsxhk said:
Henry,
I deleted the thread when it got very far off topic. The question was; Is Dali still in business? Which was answered many times. If someone needs to post their first hand experience with Dali(good or bad), a new thread would be the best bet. If you remember the Mark Basch bashing(no pun intended), you can understand why we need to be carefull when it comes to vendors as some would like to see others fail. These comments in no way are directed at anyone in particular, just being safe.
Take care,
John
John,
I'm speechless!
If that is the criteria for deleting posts and even the entire thread, you should be quite busy being a moderator. I see alot of posts that are off topic and answered repeatedly, I don't see you deleting them! And not to mention deleting the ENTIRE THREAD! So why the special treatment for this 'is dali still in business' thread?
Henry.
I'm speechless!
If that is the criteria for deleting posts and even the entire thread, you should be quite busy being a moderator. I see alot of posts that are off topic and answered repeatedly, I don't see you deleting them! And not to mention deleting the ENTIRE THREAD! So why the special treatment for this 'is dali still in business' thread?
Henry.
Hi,
I also had a few posts deleted by John who explained to me that he did not want any chatting on the marketplace section. But from what I see so far, people chat on the marketplace all day long and commenting the cars/parts. Since this is a privately own forum and not entirely democratic, there will certainly be personal favors and biases when the posts are moderated by a few people. I am sympathetic of you. You have been an outstanding member of the NSX community helping so many people out and my hat is off to you. It is just so ironic that you are a victim of the false sense of trust that is fostered by the very same community.
Regards,
Steve
I also had a few posts deleted by John who explained to me that he did not want any chatting on the marketplace section. But from what I see so far, people chat on the marketplace all day long and commenting the cars/parts. Since this is a privately own forum and not entirely democratic, there will certainly be personal favors and biases when the posts are moderated by a few people. I am sympathetic of you. You have been an outstanding member of the NSX community helping so many people out and my hat is off to you. It is just so ironic that you are a victim of the false sense of trust that is fostered by the very same community.
Regards,
Steve
Here's what I don't understand.
I can understand how the topics in the forums for cars and parts, for sale and wanted, are not supposed to be for discussion. For example, John Doe should be able to post that he has a Midnight Pearl car for sale without having posts in response that say "Ewww, I hate purple!" And that should hold for those four forums.
However, in the description of each forum, the one for Vendors & Dealers says, "Report experiences with vendors or dealers." Similarly, the one for Marketplace Discussion says, "report your experiences with private buyers and sellers." So I don't understand why people who post their experiences are having those posts deleted. Isn't that what these forums are supposed to be for?
I can understand how the topics in the forums for cars and parts, for sale and wanted, are not supposed to be for discussion. For example, John Doe should be able to post that he has a Midnight Pearl car for sale without having posts in response that say "Ewww, I hate purple!" And that should hold for those four forums.
However, in the description of each forum, the one for Vendors & Dealers says, "Report experiences with vendors or dealers." Similarly, the one for Marketplace Discussion says, "report your experiences with private buyers and sellers." So I don't understand why people who post their experiences are having those posts deleted. Isn't that what these forums are supposed to be for?
I don't know what happened in this case, but Lud has been known to break out single threads into multiple ones, when discussions deviated from the original topic. He's also merged threads where the OP created more than one post of the same topic. I've only seen him delete posts (and threads, albeit rarely) due to trolling, offensive language or pics, and/or personal attacks on people.
I agree with nsxtasy, in addition I think people should be allowed to comment on "for sale" ads as long as they are providing factual information (not biased opinions). The more information a prospective buyer has, the better purchase decision he is able to make. And for the most part I think the admins have let these types of comments slide (for example, in this post), despite the "no discussion" policy in the For Sale forums. My $0.02.
I agree with nsxtasy, in addition I think people should be allowed to comment on "for sale" ads as long as they are providing factual information (not biased opinions). The more information a prospective buyer has, the better purchase decision he is able to make. And for the most part I think the admins have let these types of comments slide (for example, in this post), despite the "no discussion" policy in the For Sale forums. My $0.02.
PHOEN$X said:
Yes, good point, and I agree with that as well. Often a listing (for sale or wanted) doesn't include all the information that a prospective buyer or seller may need to know, and it's legitimate to be able to ask questions about the car. Chances are, when one person wants more information, others will be interested in the same information as well.
Re: Re: moderator deleting entire thread?
everytime, someone starts a thread or question, people respond with different points of views. Invariably, the development will not be linear but start branching. Now someone asked if Dali was still on, what is wrong when someone answered that and at same time talked about their good/bad experiences with Mark Johnson. Lud created the forum and with all intents wants people to discuss freely and truthfully about their experiences. This kind of censorship is uncalled for and certainly your explanation is not quite valid. You certainly have the authority to delete any posts that you want but I caution you to do it fairly across the board.
Steve
But John,ANYTIME said:
everytime, someone starts a thread or question, people respond with different points of views. Invariably, the development will not be linear but start branching. Now someone asked if Dali was still on, what is wrong when someone answered that and at same time talked about their good/bad experiences with Mark Johnson. Lud created the forum and with all intents wants people to discuss freely and truthfully about their experiences. This kind of censorship is uncalled for and certainly your explanation is not quite valid. You certainly have the authority to delete any posts that you want but I caution you to do it fairly across the board.
Steve
No knock intended, but it seems as though every time a question about a slow delivery from Dali comes up. The same un- happy Dali bashers appear. I don't know what happened between you guys.
I just have to say my experience has been GREAT in dealing with Mark.
The last time someone went the Dali bashing route there were many more happy Dali customers than un-happy by a huge margin. I don't know what that means, but enough said.
Cheers
You guys should all be out driving your cars.
It is amazing, I just got back and it is better everytime I drive it.
Woohoo, summer in the Northeast!!!!
I just have to say my experience has been GREAT in dealing with Mark.
The last time someone went the Dali bashing route there were many more happy Dali customers than un-happy by a huge margin. I don't know what that means, but enough said.
Cheers
You guys should all be out driving your cars.
It is amazing, I just got back and it is better everytime I drive it.
Woohoo, summer in the Northeast!!!!
nsxtasy said:
anyone agreeing with nsxtasy or PHOENSX is making a good point. I agree with them too.
Why is it Ok for you to praise Dali, but it is not OK for people who were screwed by Mark to complain? As far as I am concerned, these Dali victims can denounce Dali as long as they want. Not to mention that there are still unresolved issues and Mark still owes Henry the BBS RGR wheels.RichH said:
Your mentality reminds me of Mike Tyson's followers. Hey, Mike always treat me right. He hasn't raped me or bit my ear off. So he raped someone, beat up some dudes, and by far there are a lot more people like me who got good deals from Mike than people who got screwed by a huge margin. I don't know what it means, but enough said. Doesn't it just sound like you, Rich?
Steve
Hi Steve,
My goal was not to defend anyone.
If a is customer is treated badly or is not satisfied, they have every right to be pissed and express that rage.
I guess my point is the gentleman that started the tread was expressing concern that something he ordered 3 weeks ago had not arrived yet, not yet a scandal. He also inquired if Dali was still in business (the answer, Yes).
These cup holders are always slow and Mark is sometimes differcult to reach. This does not mean he has been ripped off because someone else has an issue with Dali. In my opinion, that approach creates undue worry on the part of the original poster.
As to the unhappy Mark people:
If I had a problem with a vendor that has been discussed numerous times on this forum, at some point I might let it go and move on with my life. Life is too short. Or at least take an alternative approach. I know that is easy for me to say since it was not me. Boy, but that last thread discussing this situation kind of said it all, I thought.
My "enough said" was my personal take (I have said enough and will let it die in my mind right here) not an attempt at censorship.
I hope everything can be worked out just like everyone else, but years of this approach have not been fruitful.
Cheers Rich
Now go drive your cars.
My goal was not to defend anyone.
If a is customer is treated badly or is not satisfied, they have every right to be pissed and express that rage.
I guess my point is the gentleman that started the tread was expressing concern that something he ordered 3 weeks ago had not arrived yet, not yet a scandal. He also inquired if Dali was still in business (the answer, Yes).
These cup holders are always slow and Mark is sometimes differcult to reach. This does not mean he has been ripped off because someone else has an issue with Dali. In my opinion, that approach creates undue worry on the part of the original poster.
As to the unhappy Mark people:
If I had a problem with a vendor that has been discussed numerous times on this forum, at some point I might let it go and move on with my life. Life is too short. Or at least take an alternative approach. I know that is easy for me to say since it was not me. Boy, but that last thread discussing this situation kind of said it all, I thought.
My "enough said" was my personal take (I have said enough and will let it die in my mind right here) not an attempt at censorship.
I hope everything can be worked out just like everyone else, but years of this approach have not been fruitful.
Cheers Rich
Now go drive your cars.
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The thread in question was originally posted in the wrong forum. I moved it to Vendors shortly after it was posted, but I have been busy and did not keep up with it between then and the time it was deleted. Therefore, I am speaking on in general and not about this specific incident since I do not know the details other than what I can infer based on the discussion so far.
First, if anyone needs clarification about what kind of "discussion" messages are allowed in response to an ad, it is clearly outlined in the Marketplace Rules. In short, something directly relevant to the ad is allowed. General chit-chat is NOT. However, this is completely unrelated to the issue at hand, which as I understand it was a vendor question / complaint, not a comment on an ad.
The initial message, which I saw when I moved it to the appropriate forum, was a question about whether a given vendor was still around. The answer to that question is yes or no, with possible additional explanation (i.e. "he has been out of town" or "he is often slow to response to stuff like that" or "he was in an accident and will be off e-mail for a month").
That is not the appropriate venue for people to re-hash complaints that have already been discussed. If you have a problem with a vendor, post about it. Post all the detail you feel like. Then you are done. It is not appropriate to keep re-posting the same complaint over and over in response to other threads that are tangentially related at best. If you want to remind people that your issue with a vendor has still not been resolved, reply to your original complaint thread with an update. Do it once a month if you feel like it.
While we are on the subject, I would also suggest anyone interested in a vendor or private party complaint review the Marketplace Rules before posting, as most people seem to omit required information and thus their complaint is subject to being deleted.
As I said, I do not know the details of what was said or done. I am not going to second-guess John, and it wouldn't matter if I did because messages cannot be undeleted. It is clear that everyone's opinion has been aired. John and I are both aware of them.
John volunteers many hours of his time every week doing a thankless job moderating the Marketplace forums. He does this to help the NSX community have a liveable online marketplace for free. Most of the people posting to this thread have directly benefited from the use of this service, so even if you see things differently, please understand that we are both only human and are doing the best we can to try and keep things running smoothly.
John has my full support and thanks for the job he does. Even the originator of the deleted thread does not seem to have a problem with the fact that it was deleted, so let's move on.
P.S. If you have a question, a polite inquiry in this forum, sans accusations and presumtions, would be appreciated. This is an openly run forum by and for NSX owners. Attacking others because they don't agree with you is not acceptable. We may not always agree, but we have nothing to hide and no secret agenda, so please consider things from all points of view before jumping to conclusions.
First, if anyone needs clarification about what kind of "discussion" messages are allowed in response to an ad, it is clearly outlined in the Marketplace Rules. In short, something directly relevant to the ad is allowed. General chit-chat is NOT. However, this is completely unrelated to the issue at hand, which as I understand it was a vendor question / complaint, not a comment on an ad.
The initial message, which I saw when I moved it to the appropriate forum, was a question about whether a given vendor was still around. The answer to that question is yes or no, with possible additional explanation (i.e. "he has been out of town" or "he is often slow to response to stuff like that" or "he was in an accident and will be off e-mail for a month").
That is not the appropriate venue for people to re-hash complaints that have already been discussed. If you have a problem with a vendor, post about it. Post all the detail you feel like. Then you are done. It is not appropriate to keep re-posting the same complaint over and over in response to other threads that are tangentially related at best. If you want to remind people that your issue with a vendor has still not been resolved, reply to your original complaint thread with an update. Do it once a month if you feel like it.
While we are on the subject, I would also suggest anyone interested in a vendor or private party complaint review the Marketplace Rules before posting, as most people seem to omit required information and thus their complaint is subject to being deleted.
As I said, I do not know the details of what was said or done. I am not going to second-guess John, and it wouldn't matter if I did because messages cannot be undeleted. It is clear that everyone's opinion has been aired. John and I are both aware of them.
John volunteers many hours of his time every week doing a thankless job moderating the Marketplace forums. He does this to help the NSX community have a liveable online marketplace for free. Most of the people posting to this thread have directly benefited from the use of this service, so even if you see things differently, please understand that we are both only human and are doing the best we can to try and keep things running smoothly.
John has my full support and thanks for the job he does. Even the originator of the deleted thread does not seem to have a problem with the fact that it was deleted, so let's move on.
P.S. If you have a question, a polite inquiry in this forum, sans accusations and presumtions, would be appreciated. This is an openly run forum by and for NSX owners. Attacking others because they don't agree with you is not acceptable. We may not always agree, but we have nothing to hide and no secret agenda, so please consider things from all points of view before jumping to conclusions.
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