Oil & Air Filters Bargains and they may be OEM

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My apologies if this has been discussed before but couldn't find it when I searched.

I always use OEM filters unless I find a reason not to. I've found over the years that when the physical size of the filter starts changing, it's usually because the manufacturer is no longer making a vehicle specific filter and has crossed over another more popular filter that will work. Since getting my NSX, been reading about the "shrinking" OEM filter and thought that perhaps Honda was substituting a filter that had more widespread application.

I know for my wife's Accord, that over the years the genuine Honda filters have been made by a variety of companies (lowest bidder I would assume) including Nippon. I also know that I've been able to purchase the exact same filter from NAPA with even the Honda part number showing. So, decided to see if the same was true with the NSX. Went to NAPA, found a Nippon filter that was listed as fitting and ordered up three of them figuring at $5.39 each, if they were crap I'd throw them away.

Well, they arrived today and to my surprise, they look identical to the original, long, Acura NSX OEM filter and to my bigger surprise, also carried the original NSX part number, 15400-PL2-004 :D In addition to carrying the Nippon name, they are also branded Altrom for NAPA's use (NAPA part number is 3612905).

While I was in investigative mode, also found air filters at NAPA for $14.59 and ordered up two of them. These are WIX filters (in tiny print) branded for NAPA. I've always had good luck with WIX and don't think an air filter is quite a critical as the proper oil filter.

I've attached pictures of the oil filter and air filter so people can tell me where I might be misled. Otherwise, here's your chance to go back to the original long filter at $5.39 a piece and to stock up on air filters for $14.59.
 

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Wow this could be a great find. All you oil gurus--anyone tested out these Nippon oil filters?
 
Really interesting because I just went to Continental Acura in Naperville, IL and the OEM filter for the Legend is now the OEM filter for the NSX. They charged me 13 dollars for the filter! Does n't make sense bc in the past they were a lot less. I used to own a Legend!
 
Interesting! Thats a SUPER deal and hopefully they are similar in quality.
 
Are the 'Nippon' filters actually made in Japan? I assume the 'tall' OE filter was a Japanese-made Toyo Roki (I believe the new OE one is Filtech/USA). Otherwise it's possibly a clone using the same sized can.

I'd probably use OE filters until they switch to Fram/Honeywell.

Man, filters are much easier to deal with over in the BMW world.
 
In the interests of making a contribution to this forum, decide to sacrifice a couple of oil filters to see if this NAPA filter is truly the original OEM filter, just rebranded for NAPA. I also tracked down a gentleman named Ron Goldstein in the NAPA buyers area. His explanation is that for a low volume filter, they will often just go to the OEM supplier who will pull the filter at some stage in it’s production and silk screen the can to reflect NAPA’s part numbers. He said it’s not unusual for the product to carry the OEM’s part number depending upon where in the production process they pulled it off the line to silk screen it for NAPA. He could not absolutely verify that this particular filter fit that profile but said he’d be surprised if it didn’t since they don’t sell a lot of NSX filters. They may have ordered a couple thousand ten years ago and are still working off that supply. When it’s depleted, they will either no longer carry that filter for the car or will just brand whatever the current filter being used by Acura is.
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For purposes of this analysis, I cut open a current OEM filter (used, thus the color of the filtration media and thus my inability to unroll it to measure actual filtration surface area so there will be some assumptions made). I also cut open one of the NAPA filters and a Purolator that supposedly will work on our cars.

Picture one is the current OEM, two is the NAPA filter and three is the Purolator. If you look at the OEM and NAPA, you will see they are identical except for the physical size. The pressure relief system is the same, the anti-drain back in the NAPA actually looks to be a polybutelene rubber versus the OEM straight rubber. Polybutelene should be more resistant to loss of flexibility from oil contact but neither should be on the car long enough for that to be a factor.
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Both the OEM and NAPA have a wall thickness of .025 of steel. The flow holes are identical in size and spaced the same. The inner core is perforated steel and since I couldn’t cut open the OEM to measure, can only say that visually the transfer area is the same. The filtration material appears to be identical, same density and number of pleats. Steel end caps on both filters and both have outside perimeter anti-crush struts. The thread pedestal is identical on both filters. Both have a seated o-ring to seal the filter, extremely important under high rpm operation so that it doesn’t blow out the gasket. The only real difference appears to be the 60% greater filtration area on the NAPA versus the current shorty OEM.
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If you look at the Purolator, it quickly becomes evident this is obviously not vehicle specific and while it may work (?), it isn’t recommended except in an emergency. It is a thinner steel construction, .020 steel. The pressure relief system appears to be the same but that’s about where the similarities end.
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The flow through holes on the Purolator are located differently and have less area than either of the other two filters. You can see that the filtration material is packed far less tightly than either of the others although the material itself seems to the same. Most importantly, it uses a flat gasket (like a Fram) which can blow out under extreme oil pressure conditions, especially if the bypass system doesn’t open at the correct pressures.
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In conclusion, I’m not an engineer (although I play one on TV ;) ) but am confident that this NAPA filter was purchased from Nippon (an OEM supplier for Honda BTW) off the production line in a run of Acura NSX filters, silk screened to NAPA’s specs (but not before the Acura part number was already printed) and sold to NAPA. No telling how many of these large filters are left in NAPA’s inventory and they will not return when depleted. Usual disclaimer – use at your own risk, take nothing I’ve said as factual or accurate, YMMV and not responsible for your car blowing up due to oil starvation. I can tell you that I immediately replaced the shorty filter with one of these, oil pressures are identical as before, no leakage and ran the car up through the first two gears to redline to make sure I wouldn’t blow out the gasket.

Current OEM filter:
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NAPA filter
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Purolator
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I'd probably use OE filters until they switch to Fram/Honeywell.

Man, filters are much easier to deal with over in the BMW world.

I've heard some scary stories about Fram filters for cars. Don't think I will be using those.
Actually it is spelled Mann filters. They also use those for the Ford GT super car. They are german filters, obviously hence BMW.:wink:
 
I just came back from NAPA and got the same NIPPON/NAPA/ALTROM filter with the same OEM part numbers and Napa part number just like the picture. I was going to open it up, but you beat me to it! Very interesting!
 
In conclusion, I’m not an engineer (although I play one on TV ;) ) but am confident that this NAPA filter was purchased from Nippon (an OEM supplier for Honda BTW) off the production line in a run of Acura NSX filters, silk screened to NAPA’s specs (but not before the Acura part number was already printed) and sold to NAPA.

Nice work on the comparison. I doubt the Acura part number was silk screened at an earlier time and then the NAPA logos were printed later. More likely, silk screening of the whole filter was done in one step. I would think they included both of the Honda 15400-PL2-XXX numbers just as cross references. If they were originally destined to be oem Honda -004 filters, they would not have the -305 number also, and vice versa, as those are two mutually exclusive part numbers for Honda.

I would readily believe the NAPA filters were made by the same factory and with the same components as the oem Honda filters. Your opening up the filters pretty much supports that theory (except the difference in the rubber piece).

It apears you opened up the newer shorter Honda filter. I wonder if someone has an old tall one that could be opened and examined just to be certain those too are identical to the NAPA filter?
 
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Here is the NAPA link to the above mentioned air filter:

http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPag...&PartNumber=6823&Description=Air+Filter+(Gold)

Also, I called a local NAPA store and he didn't have any of the air filters in stock. He checked his computer and none of the Chicagoland stores readily carried these. Perhaps it's just a space issue within the stores, but it looks like these will have be ordered. I just hope that when ordering these online from NAPA that it doesn't take weeks to show up.
 
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I've heard some scary stories about Fram filters for cars. Don't think I will be using those.
Actually it is spelled Mann filters. They also use those for the Ford GT super car. They are german filters, obviously hence BMW.:wink:

It's actually spelled MAHLE. :biggrin:

I meant 'Man' as in 'Man that sucks'

Interestingly, the 3 main filters in my 325i are from 3 different suppliers.
 
Sacrifice for science. I like it.

Now, since you opened the OE shorty one, if that one is Filtech/USA, then the NAPA one might be the same, and not Toyo Roki/Japan. I doubt at this time anyone's going to be willing to sacrifice a real -004 to compare, though. I say, as long as it's big and not made by FRAM, that's fine with me.
 
It's actually spelled MAHLE. :biggrin:

I meant 'Man' as in 'Man that sucks'

Interestingly, the 3 main filters in my 325i are from 3 different suppliers.

Sorry:frown:
Ironically though, there is a company that makes oil filters for the FGT that is spelled with 2 'n's.:tongue:
 
Here is the NAPA link to the above mentioned air filter:

http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=470&LineCode=FIL&PartNumber=6823&Description=Air+Filter+(Gold)

Also, I called a local NAPA store and he didn't have any of the air filters in stock. He checked his computer and none of the Chicagoland stores readily carried these. Perhaps it's just a space issue within the stores, but it looks like these will have be ordered. I just hope that when ordering these online from NAPA that it doesn't take weeks to show up.

I don't think it's a space issue, more of a demand one. With only 8000 cars using that filter, stores aren't going to get much call for it. But mine came in four days ordering online so I wouldn't worry about it plus their freight seems to be a flat $4.95.
 
THANKS TOM!

I can't seem to find the oil filter online. Anyone have a link?

Unless I am an idiot this Napa site is one of the worst out there.

EDIT: Found it.
 
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Sacrifice for science. I like it.

Now, since you opened the OE shorty one, if that one is Filtech/USA, then the NAPA one might be the same, and not Toyo Roki/Japan. I doubt at this time anyone's going to be willing to sacrifice a real -004 to compare, though. I say, as long as it's big and not made by FRAM, that's fine with me.

If someone wants a real unused 15400-PL2-004 to cut open and compare, I will donate one with the condition that it be a detailed analysis with the other filters mentioned here, and posted up with cutaway pictures, description, comparison, and conclusion. Anyone up to the task?
 
it's not the size, but what's inside that matters...

If there's going to be some analytical/qualitative comparison of available 'tall filters' for the NSX, include:

- Denso version (150-1013) which retails for $6.46 (discounted elsewhere or in bulk)

- Beck Arnley (041-8072) ~$7.30 (discounted elsewhere or in bulk)

- NAPA/Nippon (36129050)

- Honda OEM (15400-PL2-004)

- Mobil 1 'tall' oil filter

- others...(?)
 
I have a lightly used 004 tall oil filter that I just removed that I am send to someone to cut. Let me know so I can dig it out of my garage trash.

Jeff

I'd be happy to add it to the analysis, rather cut up a used one of these scarce filters than a new one that was offered in an earlier post. I'll PM my address.
 
Jeff is sending me out his used filter Monday, in the meantime I'll see if I can pick up some of the other "long filters" mentioned here to include in the analysis.

One of the things I'd really like to test, and need some help on, is the pressure rate at which the bypass valve opens. I know on some exotic engines, it's deliberately set fairly low (50/60psi) to intentionally bypass some of the filter to increase flow under high speed operation. On other cars, it's set above the normal operating range and really only comes into play during high speed operation with cold oil (a no-no anyway) and 90psi of pressure.

I can do the "finger" test by pressing down on the bypass valve but that is obviously a gross measurement of the pressure required to open it. I might be able to detect the difference between 60psi and 90psi but anything finer than that is going to require a more scientific measurement. Anyone have any suggestions on what I could measure this force with? I've got some belt tensioning gauges (Krickets) but they are designed to work on the flat surface of the belt. I don't really have anything to measure focused downward pressure unless someone on here a lot brighter than men knows how to jury rig something.
 
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