Is it O.K. to use the filter # 15400-PL2-315 instead of the #15400-PL2-004? The 315 is smaller than the 004.
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The recommended filter is the #15400-PL2-004 and that is the filter you should use. :smile:
I'm going to guess that it's because the dealer keeps the 315 in stock and not the 004. The 004 was formerly used by some Legend models which have since switched to the 315, so some dealers only bother keeping the 315 in stock.terrypancake said:
Use the 004 on your NSX.
zahntech said:
Forum Nazi....Hellooooooooo, where are you????????????????? 
From the FAQ section:
Which Oil Filter Should I Use?
Acura/Honda OEM Filter
[KS] Most dealers will be happy to give you a nice discount if you buy a box (half a dozen, I think) of oil filters at a time. Not only is this a good deal, but it's also useful if you want to go back to the same dealer for the oil changes - they won't charge you for the filter each time but they won't resent it the way they might if you bought them elsewhere
When you're buying the filters, don't forget to buy the washer that you'll need for installing each filter. It's a good idea to tape one washer to the cellophane wrapper on each filter - that way you won't lose them and you'll have them handy.
The oil filters for the 1990 Legend and the NSX were the same. Then, Acura changed the Legend oil filter to a smaller size. As I recall this was around June of 1995. The price of the NSX oil filter also increased in price, while the "new" Legend filter decreased in price. 15400-PL2-004 is the part number for the NSX filter.
[JJN] I paid about $8 per filter for mine from Worldwide Auto Parts (who is unfortunately out of business - now I know why) but here are a couple of others:
Hoehn Acura: 800-984-6346 - $11.37 per filter
A&H Motorsport: 800 543-5525 - $11.43 per filter
Back of any car mag has others if you want to
shop around some more.
From the FAQ section:
Which Oil Filter Should I Use?
Acura/Honda OEM Filter
[KS] Most dealers will be happy to give you a nice discount if you buy a box (half a dozen, I think) of oil filters at a time. Not only is this a good deal, but it's also useful if you want to go back to the same dealer for the oil changes - they won't charge you for the filter each time but they won't resent it the way they might if you bought them elsewhere
When you're buying the filters, don't forget to buy the washer that you'll need for installing each filter. It's a good idea to tape one washer to the cellophane wrapper on each filter - that way you won't lose them and you'll have them handy.
The oil filters for the 1990 Legend and the NSX were the same. Then, Acura changed the Legend oil filter to a smaller size. As I recall this was around June of 1995. The price of the NSX oil filter also increased in price, while the "new" Legend filter decreased in price. 15400-PL2-004 is the part number for the NSX filter.
[JJN] I paid about $8 per filter for mine from Worldwide Auto Parts (who is unfortunately out of business - now I know why) but here are a couple of others:
Hoehn Acura: 800-984-6346 - $11.37 per filter
A&H Motorsport: 800 543-5525 - $11.43 per filter
Back of any car mag has others if you want to
shop around some more.
Yes the new smaller filter came out in 95 wich was also when they stopped building the Legend, the dealer I worked for continued to use the 004 filter on Legends and used the new filter on RLs, the PL2-004 should allways be used on the NSX.
My local Acura dealer sold me the PL2-315 filter today with the "it replaces the longer NSX filter" line.
So just to clarify, since this post is 16 mo. old, is the original NSX PL2-004 filter still available?
Also, I told the guy that I'd read on Prime that I could get 20% off on NSX parts from some Acura dealers on line, and if he wanted my business I didn't expect to get the chump price... and he knocked off 20% on my boot struts ($51 ea. retail) and filter purchase! SWEET!!! :biggrin:
So just to clarify, since this post is 16 mo. old, is the original NSX PL2-004 filter still available?
Also, I told the guy that I'd read on Prime that I could get 20% off on NSX parts from some Acura dealers on line, and if he wanted my business I didn't expect to get the chump price... and he knocked off 20% on my boot struts ($51 ea. retail) and filter purchase! SWEET!!! :biggrin:
Yes,the original NSX PL2-004 filter are still available, I just bought some from my local Acura dealership last week.
nsxtcy85 said:
Is there any other data to support this statement?
I've heard similar stories about how most oil filters are made at one factory......true or not, I've been using the cheapest I can find--Purolator, or Fram, or others. I have a 92 with zero engine oil related problems.
Joe Gliksman said:
You might want to look at this thread at the Honda Ridgeline boards. The originator of the thread worked in the auto industry (engines) for many years and is well informed.
It doesn't clear up who makes whose oil filter, but it does show dramatic differences in brands of oil filters. This thread cut open several popular oil filters and evaluates their construction. Fram is one of the worst of all.
The differences are not just the pleated filter material. All filters have a pressure relief valve to allow oil flow in case of filter media blockage. These do not perform identically. Many oil filters use cardboard inside them.
I think too many people say things like "I've always used (xyz brand) and I never had problems" to justify their preference. Same thing Jiffy Lube says about changing oil every 3 months. Most people never have oil related problems, regardless of brand or cost of oil.
I think with the NSX - it makes sense to put a good filter on it. I just don't want my motor starved for oil on a hot day at 8000 rpm because the pressure relief valve has too strong a spring on it.
Use an aftermarket cheap piece of crap like a Purolator or Fram and you'll be very very sorry. Here is a nice source of some information.
And here is a copy of an email sent to the author of that web page from a production engineer at Allied Signal (makers of Fram filters.
"Russell,
I obtained great satisfaction from reading your oil filter survey.
I worked for two years as the oil-filter production line engineer in
an Allied-Signal FRAM facility and I can confirm every bad thing you
have said about FRAM automotive filters. That's from the horse's
mouth, as it were.
I'm also a quality engineer and can confirm that FRAM applies no
quality control whatsoever to any of the characteristics for which we
buy oil filters. I frequently saw filter designs which were barely
capable of meeting J806. Many of FRAM's designs will block and go to
bypass after trying to filter very little contamination. There were
often leakage paths at the paper end discs when these were not
properly centered on the elements. Some designs had the pleats so
tightly packed against the center tube that they would block off in no
time. I had discovered that the FRAM HP1 that I had been buying for
about $20 Cdn was EXACTLY the same as a PH8 inside - the only
difference being a heavier can - no advantages in flow capacity. The
paper filtration media was of apparently poor quality and the process
of curing the paper resin was very inconsistent - elements would range
from visibly burnt to white. FRAM's marketers admitted that there was
just about no way the public could ever prove that an oil filter
contributed, or did not prevent, engine damage. The only thing FRAM
tested for was can burst strength. Another problem that they have from
time to time is in threading the filter base - often there are strands
of metal left behind on a poorly formed thread.
I have not used a FRAM filter since I started working there. Their
claims are entirely and completely marketing bullshit.
If people really want to protect their engines, a good air filter is
vital (which excludes FRAM from that list as well) and a combination
of one depth and one full-flow hydraulic filter, together in parallel,
will do the job of filtration to perfection.
Thanks for doing a great job in trying to get the truth out! You can
quote me anytime.
[name omitted to protect submitter]
"
And here is a copy of an email sent to the author of that web page from a production engineer at Allied Signal (makers of Fram filters.
"Russell,
I obtained great satisfaction from reading your oil filter survey.
I worked for two years as the oil-filter production line engineer in
an Allied-Signal FRAM facility and I can confirm every bad thing you
have said about FRAM automotive filters. That's from the horse's
mouth, as it were.
I'm also a quality engineer and can confirm that FRAM applies no
quality control whatsoever to any of the characteristics for which we
buy oil filters. I frequently saw filter designs which were barely
capable of meeting J806. Many of FRAM's designs will block and go to
bypass after trying to filter very little contamination. There were
often leakage paths at the paper end discs when these were not
properly centered on the elements. Some designs had the pleats so
tightly packed against the center tube that they would block off in no
time. I had discovered that the FRAM HP1 that I had been buying for
about $20 Cdn was EXACTLY the same as a PH8 inside - the only
difference being a heavier can - no advantages in flow capacity. The
paper filtration media was of apparently poor quality and the process
of curing the paper resin was very inconsistent - elements would range
from visibly burnt to white. FRAM's marketers admitted that there was
just about no way the public could ever prove that an oil filter
contributed, or did not prevent, engine damage. The only thing FRAM
tested for was can burst strength. Another problem that they have from
time to time is in threading the filter base - often there are strands
of metal left behind on a poorly formed thread.
I have not used a FRAM filter since I started working there. Their
claims are entirely and completely marketing bullshit.
If people really want to protect their engines, a good air filter is
vital (which excludes FRAM from that list as well) and a combination
of one depth and one full-flow hydraulic filter, together in parallel,
will do the job of filtration to perfection.
Thanks for doing a great job in trying to get the truth out! You can
quote me anytime.
[name omitted to protect submitter]
"
nsxhk said:
Larger filter= more surface area for better filtration and better oil flow. How hard is that to figure out? :smile:
nsxhk said:
Then Shad from Comptech should be securely tied to a streetlamp with a ball gag in his mouth and be given 20 lashes. And you can tell him I said so. :biggrin:
Either that or you're beginning to suffer from symptoms of Altzheimer's.
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Ive had the K&n filter the puralator the mobil one and the fram all cut in half to see what teh difference was. The only one that looked different was the fram. Alot of the stuff inside was cardboard and when cardboard gets wet it does what? exactely. Personaly the best looking one and was the Pur 1 from purilator. Its there advanced filter but they didnt have my size at the store for it. If I can find it out here were I am now I will buy it for sure.
Has anyone ever suffered an oil related engine failure?
Has anyone ever heard of anyone suffering an oil related engine failure?
I'm afraid I'm old enough to admit changing oil on '60s and 70's vintage cars. Oil got really dirty when leaded fuel was used. Since the switch of UL the main contaminant in oil is no longer around.
I've used both size Legend filters, in my Legend. I sold it with 175,000 miles and it still ran like a swiss watch. I predominately use Fram, but have used other brands and almost never use factory Honda.
Its kind of like oil or gas brand, or Ford vs Chevy; they all work.
Miner
Has anyone ever heard of anyone suffering an oil related engine failure?
I'm afraid I'm old enough to admit changing oil on '60s and 70's vintage cars. Oil got really dirty when leaded fuel was used. Since the switch of UL the main contaminant in oil is no longer around.
I've used both size Legend filters, in my Legend. I sold it with 175,000 miles and it still ran like a swiss watch. I predominately use Fram, but have used other brands and almost never use factory Honda.
Its kind of like oil or gas brand, or Ford vs Chevy; they all work.
Miner
Reviving again-
I have always used Fram filters on my turbo charged Integra for YEARS and have had no problems. I always get the basic one too--
The REASON: someone on the integra forums pointed out to me that on the side of a OEM honda filter- if you read carefully it actually says "Made for HONDA of America by FRAM" or something very close to that.
Now I am looking to do my first oil change and I am confused. I will buy the OEM one first but Will be looking to a slightly cheaper alternative if it is the same materials.....
However, I agree that if i find it inferior in any way I will not be using that on the NSX....
Also, do you guys really think that the 1 full inch that the 004 is longer will make much of a difference on the filtration process??????????
bit confused and looking for help
I have always used Fram filters on my turbo charged Integra for YEARS and have had no problems. I always get the basic one too--
The REASON: someone on the integra forums pointed out to me that on the side of a OEM honda filter- if you read carefully it actually says "Made for HONDA of America by FRAM" or something very close to that.
Now I am looking to do my first oil change and I am confused. I will buy the OEM one first but Will be looking to a slightly cheaper alternative if it is the same materials.....
However, I agree that if i find it inferior in any way I will not be using that on the NSX....
Also, do you guys really think that the 1 full inch that the 004 is longer will make much of a difference on the filtration process??????????
bit confused and looking for help
Revival:
I just got bored. So I looked up the phrase "oem honda filter made by fram". Apparently that is true to a certain extent. It appears honda's oem filters were made by fram, filtech and honeywell for various amounts of time. It also varied by country too. Then digging some more, Toyo Roki seems to be the way to ago. I guess HAMP is the same as Toyo Roki and that's the oem maker of the S2k filter. Oh and apparently honeywell makes filters for fram??? Who knows. Enjoy my digging up below
BTW, Honda DOES use fram filters labeled as the wonderful blue "honda oem filter" we are so used to. It just varies by application and probably country and their budget. Hell....maybe the 004 is a fram/honeywell or filtech... maybe the 315? Pictures help prove the honda-fram connection.
One thing I noticed is, if you look at the picture of the two blue honda filters and the green toyo roki look at the lower lip of the filter. On the body on the mating end of the filter. Check out that lip. The Toyo Roki and the honda toyo roki share the same lip, it's big and protrudes. The blue honda/fram filter has a small smooth non-protruding lip that looks identicle to the orange frams I see. Interesting aye?
Oh and the walmart filters, supertech are made by Champion labs. Some honda filters were also made by Nippon.
seems every OTHER honda car owner out there is more enthusiastic to find out the truth than many of us NSX owners.
here are some links to check out, just forum links for other hondas btw, and some pictures I'll post.
http://hondapilot.org/forums/printthread.php?threadid=4185&perpage=15&pagenumber=3
http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7544&highlight=filters
http://effinmotorworks.com/Filters.htm
http://www.clubcivic.com/board/showthread.php?t=19232&page=4
Some sort of chart, comparing the above A01- A02 filter. A02 being the fram/honeywell thing. Yes, honda does market fram filters as their own. Blue is the A02 line
I just got bored. So I looked up the phrase "oem honda filter made by fram". Apparently that is true to a certain extent. It appears honda's oem filters were made by fram, filtech and honeywell for various amounts of time. It also varied by country too. Then digging some more, Toyo Roki seems to be the way to ago. I guess HAMP is the same as Toyo Roki and that's the oem maker of the S2k filter. Oh and apparently honeywell makes filters for fram??? Who knows. Enjoy my digging up below
BTW, Honda DOES use fram filters labeled as the wonderful blue "honda oem filter" we are so used to. It just varies by application and probably country and their budget. Hell....maybe the 004 is a fram/honeywell or filtech... maybe the 315? Pictures help prove the honda-fram connection.
One thing I noticed is, if you look at the picture of the two blue honda filters and the green toyo roki look at the lower lip of the filter. On the body on the mating end of the filter. Check out that lip. The Toyo Roki and the honda toyo roki share the same lip, it's big and protrudes. The blue honda/fram filter has a small smooth non-protruding lip that looks identicle to the orange frams I see. Interesting aye?
Oh and the walmart filters, supertech are made by Champion labs. Some honda filters were also made by Nippon.
seems every OTHER honda car owner out there is more enthusiastic to find out the truth than many of us NSX owners.
here are some links to check out, just forum links for other hondas btw, and some pictures I'll post.
http://hondapilot.org/forums/printthread.php?threadid=4185&perpage=15&pagenumber=3
http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7544&highlight=filters
http://effinmotorworks.com/Filters.htm
http://www.clubcivic.com/board/showthread.php?t=19232&page=4
Some sort of chart, comparing the above A01- A02 filter. A02 being the fram/honeywell thing. Yes, honda does market fram filters as their own. Blue is the A02 line
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