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kaiser-nsx

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what tire would be good to run on a 12 inch wide rim?
i've narrowed it doesn to 255, 265, or 275.

which will run a good amount of stretch.. not too much, not too little, ?

i plan on going to the track and need to run stretched tires to limit the flex when cornering
 
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My car with tire stretched. A 265 or 275/40 will stretch nicely on a 12.

Here is a 285/35 on a 19x12 -45 offset stretched on my LS430 rims :tongue:

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very nice man.. i've got some mesh work equips in 18x12 -20 offset and 18x10 -7 offset.. but my lips arent as big as yours..

you say you put a 285 on your wheels below? on a 12 inch wide rim?

some questions:

1) in reference to the pic of your nsx, what wheels and tire sizes are you running?

2) is your ls430 VIP?
 
While this sort of combo look appealing to some people... I would not recommend using it on the track. The tires in the above pictures are basically using its side wall to turn. As your skill level rises, your cornering speed will be higher and the lateral accelaration could easily flex your tire and making the wheel touching the ground. This is not even in consideration of riding curbs at corner (but then it's not for novice.)

Is your car wide-bodied? How could you fit a 12 inches wide rims on it without rubbing??
 
NSXDreamer2 said:
While this sort of combo look appealing to some people... I would not recommend using it on the track. The tires in the above pictures are basically using its side wall to turn. As your skill level rises, your cornering speed will be higher and the lateral accelaration could easily flex your tire and making the wheel touching the ground. This is not even in consideration of riding curbs at corner (but then it's not for novice.)

Is your car wide-bodied? How could you fit a 12 inches wide rims on it without rubbing??
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That is what I was thinking as well.
Screw up with tire pressures and you are really in trouble.
 
Ken is apparently MIA lately. I hope he is OK, or just on vacation or something like that. I've actually been a little worried.
 
ken was at a track event this weekend. he is probably just resting up.
 
kaiser-nsx said:
what tire would be good to run on a 12 inch wide rim?
i've narrowed it doesn to 255, 265, or 275.

which will run a good amount of stretch.. not too much, not too little, ?

i plan on going to the track and need to run stretched tires to limit the flex when cornering
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Are you joking 255's on a 12 inch rim... :eek: :confused: Here are my fronts 17x8 with a 215-40-17 and rears with a 18x10 and a 265-35-18. As you can see they even look a tad to small. BTW what kind of racing are you doing anyway... Drifting?
 
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NSXDreamer2 said:
While this sort of combo look appealing to some people... I would not recommend using it on the track. The tires in the above pictures are basically using its side wall to turn. As your skill level rises, your cornering speed will be higher and the lateral accelaration could easily flex your tire and making the wheel touching the ground. This is not even in consideration of riding curbs at corner (but then it's not for novice.)

Is your car wide-bodied? How could you fit a 12 inches wide rims on it without rubbing??
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I "used" my NSX on the track like this. Not at a grip event but at something called drift session. To me this combo provides me with thee perfect amount of grip in the front while I can easily kick out the rear and still maintain control and stability during my slide. It is a 17x9 225/45 Front and a 18x10 235/40 Rear SSR SP1rims and Advan NEOVA front tires and Kumho Ecsta rear tires. During grip events at "Super lap" I run 17x7.5 with a 225 /40 Front and 17x9.5 with a 275/35 rear Sparco NSII rims and Advan AO48 radials. The LS430 has wide front fenders and over fenders in the rear and a body kit made by junction produce and fabulous. As for rubbing, scraping, whatever, I have a air ride system. Its a daily driver and it needs to go places normal cars can.

My NSX at Drift Session.

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Though I never take my nsx to drifting, (nor I have ever practising it, except on a go kart), I suspect the better control is coming from the relative small width of your rear tire to the front tire... More than the streching the sidewall.
Oh, and the Kumho is probably not as sticky as the Neova in front...
Had you drifting with the stock 15/16? (not stock yoko's.) How would you compare them to your 17/18 setup??
 
NSXDreamer2 said:
Though I never take my nsx to drifting, (nor I have ever practising it, except on a go kart), I suspect the better control is coming from the relative small width of your rear tire to the front tire... More than the streching the sidewall.
Oh, and the Kumho is probably not as sticky as the Neova in front...
Had you drifting with the stock 15/16? (not stock yoko's.) How would you compare them to your 17/18 setup??
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It was easier to spin so the 15/16 created ALOT more unpredictable oversteer and understeer. The tires were SO2. Yes, you are correct about stretched tires. The rounder the side wall is the more it can roll over and the more square the sidewall is the more contact the patch of tire can make. Thats why I race grip style with AO48 which is considered a semi racing tire and has a very rigid sidewall that cannot be stretched.
 
len3.8 said:
ken was at a track event this weekend. he is probably just resting up.
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Thanks, all, for your concern. I was indeed at a track event (drove 519 miles on the track :eek: ) and am busy cleaning/resting up from that one and prepping for another one this coming weekend, this time in the NSX.

As others have noted, there is no performance advantage to "stretching" tires (using them on the widest possible rims) and in fact there is a disadvantage to doing so. Follow the tire manufacturer's advice for approved rim widths, and try to use a wheel that is near the middle of the range of widths.
 
SugoiNSX said:
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My car with tire stretched. A 265 or 275/40 will stretch nicely on a 12.

Here is a 285/35 on a 19x12 -45 offset stretched on my LS430 rims :tongue:

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Those are the most repulsive rims ive ever seen. :eek:
 
I agree with the above opinion on the selection of the wheels, to each their own.

But my question here is, why can't you go with wider tires?
I currently have the SO3's on 19x10.5 using 285/30-19 and they look great, no wheel/rim lip exposure. :confused:
 
I've been following this thread trying to figure out the 'why' of it. What's the advantage of using narrower tires than the wheels ought to have?
 
bodypainter said:
I've been following this thread trying to figure out the 'why' of it. What's the advantage of using narrower tires than the wheels ought to have?
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IMO, there is no advantage. I'd rather have a wider tire for my 18x8 and 19x10 wheels. However, I found out (after I bought them) that the Falken GR Beta FK451 tires are actually a more-narrow-width tire compared to other brands of the same size. Example: The same 275/30/19 Falken GR Beta tire is more narrow than a 275/30/19 Pontenza S03 tire. I didn't realize that until after I made comparasons after I had the tires on the wheels. Doesn't really bother me too much, but on my next set of tires I'll get a different brand or a wider Falken GR Beta (I like the tires otherwise in the rain & dry weather). The main reasons why I didn't go with the S03 tires to begin with were because A) they cost a lot more than other brands for the sizes I needed, B) they would wear down faster than the other tires I was looking at, and C) I only use the 18/19 setup for street use only (daily driving), so I didn't want to spend more on the tires and just needed a good all-around tire.

Kind of opposite when you look at Falken Azenis tires. When you compare a 205/50/15 Falken Azenis tire, it's much wider than any other 205/50/15 tire (Dunlop, Pirelli, Bridgestone, other Falken tires, etc). Tire width just all depends on the manufacturer.
 
If it's mainly for looks that's okay too. It's just weird to me having spent all my life trying to figure out how to cram more tire on a rim, not less. The pictures do look kind of cool.
 
I still have no idea why ppl want that strecth tire look? why? imo its digusting i figured the ideal was to have at least some what of a flush tire to lip measure...sighs
 

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