Precise map of Prop 8 Donors

[KooLaid]

I stumbled on this online. It's a google map of everyone who donated money towards the passing of California's Prop 8. It includes full name, occupation, work place/business name and amounts from as small as $25 to over $150k that I've seen. It also places a little tag where you can zoom in and actually figure out where these donors live. It covers all 50 states. From out far, it looks blank but zoom in close and the flags pop up.

I'm not trying to cause any trouble with posting this BUT I was just curious as to what practical real world application can this have by being posted on the web? It seems very "Anti Prop 8" and could only be used by the anti supporters to retaliate against these individuals or business.

What is the real point behind having this very personal information posted on the web about something VERY controversial.

http://www.eightmaps.com/

 

[eddiensx]

This is the freak fringes way of being "tolerant". They say they are all for "love and tolerance" as long as its their twisted version.

 

[lazynok]

All I have to say, is that I'm glad nobody on my street donated any money =]

 

[NSX-Tuner]

Someone has way, way too much time on their hands. I get the feeling that tremendous HATE was their motivation to generate such a map.

 

[nsxotic911]

Didn't seem to pick me up in Seattle WA... :biggrin:



....just kidding.....

While I understand it's a very touchy topic, this is textbook definition of fascism and intimidation. I've confronted those that are against Prop 8 on this, and I fully respect their opinion and do my best to sympathize, as much as possible, with how they feel. I even would support the legal passing of gay marriage, if done by legislature, because the law is the law and forcing my will on a democratic people is tyranny. If 99% of people support gay marriage and I don't, it would be tyrranical for me to impose my will. On the other hand, since 60%+ of America is not ready for gay marriage... then the folks should work through the proper means to get that change and not fascists means or courts though which is what happened in California...

The gay-marriage folks like to liken the cause to the civil rights movement - the difference is MLK was singing "We shall overcome" and having peaceful marches not burning the Book of Mormon, getting people fired etc... becuase of political free speech

BTW: I'm not Mormon, but if you want one sure way to get 100% of Mormons to vote against gay marriage, that's the way to do it!

Next: Take on the Bible, Torah, Quaran.. and other religious text and the states that have laws against gay marriage will go from 3x to 4x fast!



..WIth all that said, ultimately though, this is a battle that will be lost in the long run....

 

[KooLaid]

Speaking of mormon, I was looking through the map for my local area which has a high mormon population with the "usual" last names. Well every single high profile (for our area) mormon last name popped up, the usual doctors, chiropractors and dentists that we locals all have come to know. I like mormons though

 

[nsxotic911]

Why don't they pick on African Americans of which 70% voted for it.
Oh wait, it's because they'd be deemed racist!

Meanwhile, attacking religious individuals b/c of their political views makes it A-OK.

 

[Tom239]

Speaking of mormon, I was looking through the map for my local area which has a high mormon population with the "usual" last names. Well every single high profile (for our area) mormon last name popped up, the usual doctors, chiropractors and dentists that we locals all have come to know. I like mormons though

On the one hand you say it's really personal information, and wonder why it's on the web-- but as long as it's there, you enjoy perusing it. Interesting.

If someone gave money to the campaign, their personal information became a public record. That's the law, and anyone who gave money should have known that. If you don't like this, seek to get the law changed.

 

[KooLaid]

On the one hand you say it's really personal information, and wonder why it's on the web-- but as long as it's there, you enjoy perusing it. Interesting.

Yep I did. Yes I did. Yep it is. Curiosity got the best of me. Who am I kidding, I'm one nosy motherf#cker.

If someone gave money to the campaign, their personal information became a public record. That's the law, and anyone who gave money should have known that. If you don't like this, seek to get the law changed.

Interesting law, did not know that. Will keep it in mind for future reference.

 

[jond]

Looking at the source code, this site pulls dynamically from google and Ca.gov. If either of those sites has morals, they can shut this down.

I would suggest people write google and let them know how you feel.
It's not their fault, but they can stop it.

 

[Tom239]

Looking at the source code, this site pulls dynamically from google and Ca.gov. If either of those sites has morals, they can shut this down.

The Secretary of State is required by law to make that information available online.
See California Government Code, section 84602.

 

[jond]

The Secretary of State is required by law to make that information available online.
See California Government Code, section 84602.

True. But we elect people into office to manage laws. That's their job. They can change a law, they can delete a law, they can add a law.

I see no reason why they can't change this law. It obviously lessens the degree to which the USSA is a 'free' country.

 

[Tom239]

I see no reason why they can't change this law. It obviously lessens the degree to which the USSA is a 'free' country.

If you follow the link I gave to the law, you can read how it derives from a ballot initiative. That is, the people of California voted for a disclosure law.

You are asking for a more opaque political process. You are asking that campaigns can be bankrolled anonymously. You're certainly entitled to your view, but the people of California asked for transparency; they asked for the ability to follow the money.

 

[jond]

If you follow the link I gave to the law, you can read how it derives from a ballot initiative. That is, the people of California voted for a disclosure law.

You are asking for a more opaque political process. You are asking that campaigns can be bankrolled anonymously. You're certainly entitled to your view, but the people of California asked for transparency; they asked for the ability to follow the money.

lol. Good point.

 

[White92]

Why don't they pick on African Americans of which 70% voted for it.
Oh wait, it's because they'd be deemed racist!

Meanwhile, attacking religious individuals b/c of their political views makes it A-OK.

Right after the voting was done, several churches around here were vandilaized. Someone also sent a package containing "mysterious white powder" to a church office building that sent several elderly volunteers to the hospital. They were checked out and are ok, but still......

I understand being for or a against something, but if someone is part of a certain group and they believe what that group teaches, how can you blame them for standing up for those beliefs? If you didn't stand up for those beliefs with all your heart, then you didn't really believe in them in the first place right?

 

[KooLaid]

Very true. I highly respect those who go full bore to defend their views in a legal sensible manner. I might hate you and/or hate your view, but I respect you for it if you're not gonna run off with your tail between your legs.

The prop 8 supports ran with it hard and fierce and did a VERY respectable fight in my area. I highly respect them for that. The NO supporters also did, but a few bad apples made me lose respect for their cause and I even voted No! I ended up finding out personally and somehow meeting the guy, but this person walked down a 2 mile stretch of major road in town with a spray can, and spray painted out the "YES" on the "Yes on 8" signs. The signs were placed what seemed to be every 100 feet down this road, and every single one of them got hit. I also met a few other students who would brag about tearing up, tearing out, stealing McCain signs and Yes on 8 signs on their walks home through neighborhoods.

 

[nsxotic911]

Very true. I highly respect those who go full bore to defend their views in a legal sensible manner. I might hate you and/or hate your view, but I respect you for it if you're not gonna run off with your tail between your legs.

The prop 8 supports ran with it hard and fierce and did a VERY respectable fight in my area. I highly respect them for that. The NO supporters also did, but a few bad apples made me lose respect for their cause and I even voted No! I ended up finding out personally and somehow meeting the guy, but this person walked down a 2 mile stretch of major road in town with a spray can, and spray painted out the "YES" on the "Yes on 8" signs. The signs were placed what seemed to be every 100 feet down this road, and every single one of them got hit. I also met a few other students who would brag about tearing up, tearing out, stealing McCain signs and Yes on 8 signs on their walks home through neighborhoods.

Wow. How would you have voted on the issue after everything you've seen?

 

[lrsudog]

This is the freak fringes way of being "tolerant". They say they are all for "love and tolerance" as long as its their twisted version.

I'm not all that convinced that "love and tolerance" of intolerance itself is a thing to be commended.

As to the map, votes are secret, but donations by law must be public. That is simply to prevent someone with money and an axe to grind from buying his agenda into law.

 

[KooLaid]

Wow. How would you have voted on the issue after everything you've seen?

I voted NO after I seen "everything" on both sides because I felt without a doubt that both sides were lying AND not telling the whole story behind each side.

I tried looking in the voter's handbook and even there was conflicting stories on the issues such as it being taught in schools. No said it won't be taught in schools. Yes said that it would be taught in schools. And this was in the same stupid handbook! So I couldn't find out the truth behind any of it from both sides. Lots of stories and rumors, never any facts.

So I stood behind my belief in equality in marriage. Also because I've grown to not trust religious "spokesmen" aka preachers and pastors. Also I lived in Colorado for 4 years where I found out that Focus on the Family ruled the state and would impose their beliefs on the lives of everyone from leading the ban on selling cars on sunday to no alcohol sundays (except on base )

Anyhow, I don't wanna have Lud lock my thread so I'll leave it at that. Especially since I missed the memo on the ban on political threads (My bad). No one could prove their stories and points to me but I couldn't waste my vote on something where my vote actually matters (unlike electoral college). I didn't like religion imposing their beliefs on the rights of ALL the people in california, so I went for equality.

 

[enkrypt3d]

Who cares if gays get married? How does it affect you at home? At work? In your personal life? It doesn't. Period. Its invasion of privacy...

Now I read that the Prop 8 supporters are trying to nullify all marriages that were made before prop 8 passed..... How about using all that $$$ they donated towards finding a cure for HIV or cancer?

No one is forcing anyone to DO anything. For those against gay marriage, who cares if gays get married!?! Seriously find something else to waste your breath on.

 

[Tom239]

The prop 8 supports ran with it hard and fierce and did a VERY respectable fight in my area. I highly respect them for that. The NO supporters also did, but a few bad apples made me lose respect for their cause and I even voted No! I ended up finding out personally and somehow meeting the guy, but this person walked down a 2 mile stretch of major road in town with a spray can, and spray painted out the "YES" on the "Yes on 8" signs. The signs were placed what seemed to be every 100 feet down this road, and every single one of them got hit. I also met a few other students who would brag about tearing up, tearing out, stealing McCain signs and Yes on 8 signs on their walks home through neighborhoods.

Bad behavior happens on both sides of many issues. In my (red) county, bumper stickers supporting democratic candidates get stolen off cars.

Also recall that prop 8 supporters used threatening tactics back in October: "Leaders of the campaign to outlaw same-sex marriage in California are warning businesses that have given money to the state's largest gay rights group they will be publicly identified as opponents of traditional unions unless they contribute to the gay marriage ban, too." (from the AP report Calif. gay marriage ban backers target businesses)

 

[KooLaid]

It's crazy because in my area that is usually predominantly red but this time time around, the county went blue and the blue supporters are the most hateful and violent people around. Just don't understand how "the message" can lead the followers to be so hateful. Same thing with 8, the anti 8's have cause the most unlawful trouble around here, but also seek equality and peace? Just simply makes no sense.

Anyhow, what happened has happened. We can only see what rolls around next at this point.

 

[Tom239]

It's crazy because in my area that is usually predominantly red but this time time around, the county went blue and the blue supporters are the most hateful and violent people around. Just don't understand how "the message" can lead the followers to be so hateful. Same thing with 8, the anti 8's have cause the most unlawful trouble around here, but also seek equality and peace? Just simply makes no sense.

I would never vandalize a church, nor would I take a Yes on 8 sign from someone's front lawn.

You ask how people can be so hateful. The quick answer is, their opponents started it. Gay people are continually on the receiving end of contempt that is promoted by churches and by the Republican party. I don't know if you've ever been on the receiving end of religion-driven contempt, but I can tell you that it is the pits. If someone takes their cue from scripture which says that I should be put to death for being gay (Leviticus 20:13), there is no reasoning with them. If someone calls me names, or beats me up, or puts me in jail for being gay, they are being nicer to me than Leviticus says they should.

You want a civilized political process, and so do I. As I said, I wouldn't vandalize a church, and I don't support anyone else doing it either. But if you don't understand where the rage comes from, it's because the other side declared war on gay people first.

 

[KooLaid]

I would never vandalize a church, nor would I take a Yes on 8 sign from someone's front lawn.

You ask how people can be so hateful. The quick answer is, their opponents started it. Gay people are continually on the receiving end of contempt that is promoted by churches and by the Republican party. I don't know if you've ever been on the receiving end of religion-driven contempt, but I can tell you that it is the pits. If someone takes their cue from scripture which says that I should be put to death for being gay (Leviticus 20:13), there is no reasoning with them. If someone calls me names, or beats me up, or puts me in jail for being gay, they are being nicer to me than Leviticus says they should.

You want a civilized political process, and so do I. As I said, I wouldn't vandalize a church, and I don't support anyone else doing it either. But if you don't understand where the rage comes from, it's because the other side declared war on gay people first.

Well Tom, that is because you are a man of strong general morals. The type of person I'd like to have as a neighbor but not piss off, lol.

It's interesting though that religion generally is supposed to deal with things like homosexuality rather harshly (I'm not expert btw, so correct me if I'm wrong) but yet there is a huge rash of problems concerning christian and catholic male church leaders having to do with little boys or other males in general. Yet, they like to keep those facts buried as if they never existed and when brought to the surface, blame it on the devil and that they'll defeat satan's hold on so and so preacher/pastor/etc. It's wrong to molest children obviously, but they're playing down the fact that these guys are gay also and treating it like the guy has a cold or sickness. 2 spoonfuls of vicks ever 4 hours and a couple whacks with the bible and you should be good.

It's too bad you know. I think that homosexuals are very interesting people. There's one guy at my college name Ethan. From my straight guy prospective, he really is a handsome man, the women actually curse at his gayness lol. Anyhow, it's really interesting to just hang out when there's time at school and just pick his brain on what his life as a gay man was like and what it meant. Really interesting you know. For example, he likes guys obviously but the interesting thing is, he likes to be with guys for their friendship, companionship, and emotional support but finds guy/guy gay sex to be absolutely disgusting and the thought of it makes him cringe. Now who could of figured that a GAY man is disgusted with male gay sex? lol But yet finds no sexual attraction to women.

 

[mickeylex]

I like this map and I'm glad to see that very, very few people in my general area supported with money. In fact, not a single donor in my subdivision of 68 homes. :smile: