Real 02+ Nsx-r

[Ski_Banker]

How much are those going for these days? Were they only sold in Japan, or in Europe too?

Just wondering - in US$, how much would a "very nice condition" 02+ NSX-R cost, and how much to get it delivered and on the road in the U.S.? How many were actually made worldwide?

 

[WingZ]

You gonna get slammed for not using search:biggrin:

They were sold other places and officially never sold in GB although in EVO magazine they used a brits NSX-R for the article. Here's what serialnsxer had to say about it.

And so begins a well traveled path: post all manner of questions on prime; spend a few weeks figuring out what a real one costs (gulp); then try and import one through various means in the US (obligatory call to the the Skyline GT-R guys, LOL); and I even tried for 3 months through the UK. Sure they can get me one, a real 2002 Type-R...but I still have to bring it into the US, then get it federalized — none of that "race and show exemption" for me — I want to DRIVE it. Further, I had a UK race shop all lined up to do my RHD conversion to LHD — like I said, I want to DRIVE it — not wear it like a badge. A massive project, but doable. Living near Miami port, and all the German-spec Porsches that get imported and federalized, a LHD NSX should be a snap. Six months later and lots of letters to Honda North America, the EPA and DOT, and visits to my local importer...and I was THIS close (not).[QUOTE/]

I think Vancehu also looked heavily into doing this as well , but I think he said he would have to buy two as the DOT would have to crash one.

 

[Synthesis]

... or you could just buy the parts you think are necessary from the nsx-r and make it better by slapping a supercharger or something else on it i think the nsx-r is somewhat overrated.

 

[WingZ]

... or you could just buy the parts you think are necessary from the nsx-r and make it better by slapping a supercharger or something else on it i think the nsx-r is somewhat overrated.

LOL Someone always comes out and says this and that it needs more power ,but the few mags that have driven it just gush over it. They also say it has more power than Honda is rating it at. Out of curiosity why do you think it's overrated. W/o taking too much from Ski's thread as he'll start b*tching:biggrin:

 

[ak]

It's well over $100k. Even the NA1 Type-R goes for around $80-90k. They are premium in Japan.

 

[Ski_Banker]

... or you could just buy the parts you think are necessary from the nsx-r and make it better by slapping a supercharger or something else on it i think the nsx-r is somewhat overrated.

Or I could buy an F355 kit, slap it on an NSX, and have an "even better" F355. But it ain't quite the same. No offense to all the guys with replicas - they all look gorgeous and that may be the only feasible route it seems.

 

[Synthesis]

Or I could buy an F355 kit, slap it on an NSX, and have an "even better" F355. But it ain't quite the same. No offense to all the guys with replicas - they all look gorgeous and that may be the only feasible route it seems.

it's a replica because the part is effectively the same. it does the same thing, looks the same ,etc. it's not going to put a 355 engine in your car. the R engine is the same minus some additional balancing (which would be off if you changed the clutch anyway).

only difference is you can save on stuff that was done for no reason (shift boot, half antenna mast, etc.)

i know it's different owning the real deal, but when the real deal aint that much better.... what's the point?

 

[Synthesis]

LOL Someone always comes out and says this and that it needs more power ,but the few mags that have driven it just gush over it. They also say it has more power than Honda is rating it at. Out of curiosity why do you think it's overrated. W/o taking too much from Ski's thread as he'll start b*tching:biggrin:

i don't think the car is overrated.... it is quite an amazing machine- but so is the regular nsx. proof: slap a new suspension on it and some aero tweaks and you have the nsx-r.

matter of fact, if you want a car that's as hard to live with as the nsx-r (ie, rough suspension, no sound deadening, no stereo).... i guarantee you could do a better job. you could take more weight off, you could put a nicer suspension on it, you could get more power out of it..... for the same price.

with the aftermarket, replica, and OEM parts available for the nsx .... you could pick and choose what R parts you want and replace the others with better-than-R parts. and that's what i'm gonna do

let's just put it this way - i understand why you want an nsx-r, but i don't understand why you'd go through the trouble of importing one with the other options you have

either way, good luck with it. hope you get what you want. (everybody on here would envy you):smile:

 

[WingZ]

i don't think the car is overrated.... it is quite an amazing machine- but so is the regular nsx. proof: slap a new suspension on it and some aero tweaks and you have the nsx-r.

matter of fact, if you want a car that's as hard to live with as the nsx-r (ie, rough suspension, no sound deadening, no stereo).... i guarantee you could do a better job. you could take more weight off, you could put a nicer suspension on it, you could get more power out of it..... for the same price.

with the aftermarket, replica, and OEM parts available for the nsx .... you could pick and choose what R parts you want and replace the others with better-than-R parts. and that's what i'm gonna do

let's just put it this way - i understand why you want an nsx-r, but i don't understand why you'd go through the trouble of importing one with the other options you have

either way, good luck with it. hope you get what you want. (everybody on here would envy you):smile:

Seems like the most crucial to getting all the handling down is the NSX-R tranny and diff which so far no one has been able to do. Maybe Ski can get one and bring it over so someone can finally copy that part.

 

[Synthesis]

the diff upgrade isn't even that complicated... you can do it with a few cheap parts.

as far as the R&P go, SoS has found a way that the 6sp can accept the 4.23

either way- what about the OSGiken diff?

 

[Deltron Zero]

I think Vancehu also looked heavily into doing this as well , but I think he said he would have to buy two as the DOT would have to crash one.

I didn't have to buy two Supras to get mine here and daily drive it. But then again, I'm fine owning grey market cars here in AZ. I wouldn't dare in CA though.

 

[KooLaid]

So then what's your trick to bringing in a street legal Type R? I know you've gotta have SOMETHING up your sleeve with your warehouse full of JDM cars :biggrin:

 

[BD]

Supposedly there is a real white NA2 Type R some where in S. Cal. I have multiple people telling me that. One sighting was in Lake Forest, the other one was in Irvine, which is only couple of freeway exits away. One of my customer claimed to talk to the owner in Lake Forest, and the owner said he import the car to Mexicao, and brought in that way.

I'm in doubt until I see one, but I guess any thing is possible.

On the other hand, for those who built a Type R wannabe, like my project, if you put all genuein Type R parts on it, and lighter exhaust system, you can get a NA2 "T" close to a real deal in terms of weight. I believe my car is some where around 2950 lbs, which is about 100 lbs heavier than a fully equipped Type R.

 

[Osiris_x11]

step up, or...

How much are those going for these days? Were they only sold in Japan, or in Europe too?

Just wondering - in US$, how much would a "very nice condition" 02+ NSX-R cost, and how much to get it delivered and on the road in the U.S.? How many were actually made worldwide?

IF you are real serious about this endeavour, there is an '02+ NSX-R in England (actual U.K. vehicle sold by Honda, not an import from another market). The owner is a car enthusiast and quite a nice guy in general. He has had it for sale on consignment in the past w/ some exotic car showrooms. I had the fortunate opportunity to be in it, and all I can say is... none of the stateside NSX-R inspired replicas come close!

The car is Championship White (I think?) and located in the Greater London area. Here are the details:

ID: Fuzilov @ www.nsxcb.co.uk

"2003 NSX-R/17,000 miles/UK CAR
First registered in UK FEB 2004"

I do not know the specifics of legally registering an U.K. vehicle in the U.S.A. But, I'm sure it's been done quite often in the past.

The weak U.S. dollar ($) vs. the GB Pound (£) would make any transaction a bit less appealing at this juncture in time. I can see the owner of the NSX-R asking anywhere from £60k to £80k for his car, as there are no others in existence in the U.K. to compare w/; to import a similar JDM '02+ NSX-R (already sold at a premium in Japan) to the U.K. and go through proper customs/registering/MOT would elevate the acquisition cost significantly... thereby inflating it's already premium value to the aforementioned price-range.

 

[serialNSXer]

FYI, the real NA2 NSX-R I sat in while in Tokyo was about $150K. The dollar has slipped since then. Add to this the cost of transport, EPA and DOT nightmares (even if possible), and you still have a RHD car that is sadly outpaced by many current cars. Alas, the NSX-R is a delicious car...from our past. But approaching $200K, there's other ways to spend that kind'a money. Just ask me...

My NSX-RR is esthetically identical, US legal, but has the added bonus of running with current supercars.

 

[WingZ]

Don't listen to these two Ski have that rich chick your living with buy it for you:biggrin: It will be worth it alone as a collectors item. Not to mention serious PIMP status! Everyone has imperfect clones ,but yours is the real deal:wink:

 

[Ski_Banker]

Thanks guys. And Anil, I agree with many others on the "favorite not yours NSX on Prime" about yours being the all time nicest. :smile:

As for cost vs. performance, etc. there is clearly no way to justify the purchase for the added R performance, since that can be (probably) closely replicated with parts and hard work. My interest would be, dare I say, for the "investment" even though it would still have poor returns. There is no doubt that the premium, 200-odd model, greatest iconic japanese sportscar of all time will go up in value. A lot. It's an absolute must have car for any japanese collector.

So, if I could buy one, enjoy it maybe 1-2k miles a year (really wouldn't want to drive it much more anyway) and have it slowly appreciate, I could be perhaps only *slightly* behind market returns on my money. If I could tie up only 120-140k USD then that might be alright, but $200k...eh no. That is *if* it is even possible to a) reasonably find a nice one for sale anywhere and b) get it on the roads in the U.S. for at least limited use.

 

[BD]

The trick is, have some money ready, and when you see type R parts, get it; if not, you may not run into it in a very long time.

Performance parts wise, you can always get the simple stuff (Chassis bars, sway bars, etc. from dealers like RJP or Dali. Performance parts is tougher to get; stuff such as suspension, ECU, wheels, mesh engine covers, even the seats.

There are only three pairs of the type R seats I know of. Anil and Tom has the NA2 fabric, and I have the NA1 fabric. Downforce is working on finding the right fabric and cushion materials to see if the seats is worth of replicating.

Good luck.

 

[WingZ]

Be nice if someone could do the interior and transmission/differential. I want the NSX-R gears and diff so badly:frown:

That black rubberized interior with the CF accents is nice too.

 

[serialNSXer]

That is *if* it is even possible to a) reasonably find a nice one for sale anywhere and b) get it on the roads in the U.S. for at least limited use.

(a)You CAN find a nice one in Japan, if you get serious. And, (b)you can import it under the show/race designation for limited time and use...

 

[NSXGMS]

Be nice if someone could do the interior and transmission/differential. I want the NSX-R gears and diff so badly:frown:

That black rubberized interior with the CF accents is nice too.

I thought it was established that a tranny import isn't necessary. The diff upgrade isn't difficult and the short gears and final drive are easily attainable in the US from Dali and SOS. From what I've seen the CT and OSG final drive are arguably superior.

Can Downforce do the interior yet (except the seats) or is he trying to find the material for the interior as well as the seats? Aren't very similar seats available from Recaro separately?

 

[WingZ]

I thought it was established that a tranny import isn't necessary. The diff upgrade isn't difficult and the short gears and final drive are easily attainable in the US from Dali and SOS. From what I've seen the CT and OSG final drive are arguably superior.

I could get them ,but they don't work on the power steering cars. None of the CT stuff is available and the OSG seems to make a lot of noise. From what serialnsxer says he loves his and has adjusted to the sound ,but from all the tracking I've been doing lately I'd like to find a happy medium. I want to be able to drive my car on the street as well.

Can Downforce do the interior yet (except the seats) or is he trying to find the material for the interior as well as the seats? Aren't very similar seats available from Recaro separately?

I'm waiting for that myself:wink: Go Downforce!

 

[ediddynsx]

I could get them ,but they don't work on the power steering cars. None of the CT stuff is available and the OSG seems to make a lot of noise. From what serialnsxer says he loves his and has adjusted to the sound ,but from all the tracking I've been doing lately I'd like to find a happy medium. I want to be able to drive my car on the street as well.



I'm waiting for that myself:wink: Go Downforce!

I have noticed that overtime the OSG gets quieter. It is only noisy at very slow speeds like when you are pulling up to park. Otherwise when you drive it you will not hear the clacking at normal speeds. Anil did mention that after the first fluid change that the noise may subside even more. I am still considering the OSG myself.

 

[WingZ]

I have noticed that overtime the OSG gets quieter. It is only noisy at very slow speeds like when you are pulling up to park. Otherwise when you drive it you will not hear the clacking at normal speeds. Anil did mention that after the first fluid change that the noise may subside even more. I am still considering the OSG myself.

Yeah it "may" ..LOL I think it would be a great upgrade as well ,but I'm just a little shy about anything noisy at this stage.

 

[ediddynsx]

Just get the short gears, 4.23 Ring and pinion, lighter flywheel, and clutch when you are ready. You should be happy with the results.