Spotting a fake watch

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I'm kind of a watch geek. I've got a few nice watches... no Rolex or anything yet but I've got a Movado, a Bulova, a couple citizens... the Seiko Honda F1 watch :wink:

But sometimes I see stuff on eBay that makes me wonder. Take this for example. The description says that it's all real stuff... and then of course I don't purchase it because it's in Singapore and I know how bad the Chinese are about knock off stuff. So are they just blatantly lying, selling knock offs and saying they are genuine?? Take a look.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SEIKO-F1-HONDA-...ryZ31387QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 
Tough to say but why would they want to make a fake Seiko? Seiko's for the most part are inexpensive to begin with so that going through the trouble of making a fake seems a bit silly.

I'm not a Seiko expert but I have that watch with a blue face and silver bezel that a friend sent me as a gift.

Here's a link on Overstock:
http://www.overstock.com/Jewelry-Wa...&fp=F&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=10875055-000-000

The eBay watch in your link seems to have some fit/finish issues at the area where the bracelet attaches to the case and on the rotating bezel. Also the bezel "coin edges" are appear to be somewhat blunted. Could these be an indication that it is a copy? I don't know for sure... I would, however, be much more comfortable buying it from a more well known dealer such as Overstock.
 
ive bought a lot of high end watches, and the only advice i can give you is to "buy the seller, not the watch". You are much better off going to an AD (authorized dealer) or a proven and reputable dealer/broker with lots of references. i have my watch broker on speed dial, and would never buy from anyone else (other than an AD).
 
How many threads do we need about watches? I love watches too, but people don't respect my opinion of knockoffs so I keep my mouth shut around here.
 
I love the "watch dealer on speed dial" The only thing I have on speed dial is tino's pizza and thats because I keep losing the number.
 
How many threads do we need about watches? I love watches too, but people don't respect my opinion of knockoffs so I keep my mouth shut around here.

knockoffs suck lol

oops, was i supposed to keep my mouth shut?
 
Heh, the very next email I got after one telling me this topic had been updated is this:

Dear friends,

Presenting the long awaited Chopard GTXXL Chrono. This watch is made with a genuine stripped down part for part replication.

All parts can be interchanged with the genuine including the movt. Movt is first of its kind. Asia 7750 28800bph with functional regulator...

000CP02001 Mile Miglia GTXXL Chrono Limited Ed SS Grey A-7750Reg $438.00
000CP02002 Mile Miglia GTXXL Chrono SS Black A-7750 Reg 28800 $378.00
 
Most fakes are pretty easy to spot, others are more difficult... if you handle any of them you can immediately tell which are genuine, and which are not; if you can examine any of them, ideally with a loop, the fit and finish on even the "highest quality fake" watches are dramatically subpar, the problem is being able to tell the difference on a swinging wrist. In this instance, there are unique traits, that vary by watch brand, which can show fake/genuine, but if its a brand I am not interested in, likely I would not be looking for these traits.

I am a bit at a loss as to the rational for wearing a fake watch, I have spotted some fakes even on local nsx owner's wrists, but its something you don't want to call them on, as it could cause great embarrassment. I am personally interested in swiss watches for the craftsmanship, and the attention to detail that goes into production, none of which would be present in a "grade aaa chinese fake with knock off automatic movement", so what would be the point? If you're wearing it in heritage to the brand, its a knock off, and has no such lineage; if you're wearing it as a status symbol, its a fake, and you're a poseur. The only possible explanation would perhaps be to determine if its a model you would be comfortable with, and you're interested in trying it out. In this situation, you could easily go to an AR and try the watch out, to determine if its something you like.

The nice thing about authentic watches, especially in an economy which seems to be in decline, is they're assets that don't lose value, and may increase in value. I recently sold one of my breitlings to a person in France, and received more than I had paid for the watch when it was new, four years later. This is in large part a result of the declining dollar, but even in domestic sales fine watches lose very little, if any, value over time. If you use a watch as a daily wear it will take some abuse, and value will decrease, but even then, this decrease in value is less than the cost of a fake watch, and a fake watch is worthless in regards to ownership, service, and resale (which is illegal). It makes no sense, even from the standpoint of cost, to purchase a fake watch.
 
Here we go again. Once again scorp is deluding himself and figures that if he keeps claiming the sky is red, then eventually we will all be convinced as to his reality.

The only person who can tell a "super rep" (as the best of the best replicas are called) from a genuine is a watchsmith who is familiar with the internals of the real deal. As I just posted above, some of the quality fakes are now done using the real thing as a model and making parts to such high tolerances that every single part is 100% interchangeable between the fake and the real. Many good fakes are now available with genuine Eta movement, the same movement some of the genuine use.
 
The swiss made replicas are top notch, no doubt about that.
 
Here we go again. Once again scorp is deluding himself and figures that if he keeps claiming the sky is red, then eventually we will all be convinced as to his reality.

The only person who can tell a "super rep" (as the best of the best replicas are called) from a genuine is a watchsmith who is familiar with the internals of the real deal. As I just posted above, some of the quality fakes are now done using the real thing as a model and making parts to such high tolerances that every single part is 100% interchangeable between the fake and the real. Many good fakes are now available with genuine Eta movement, the same movement some of the genuine use.

Here we go again, if you're convinced of this fact, go ahead and stock up on fake watches - when they fall apart in 6 months, and nobody will service them, and you're unable to sell them, you can ask for advice on the fake watch forum. As I mentioned in the previous thread, I have handled many real watches, and a handful of fake watches; there is no comparison with regard to craftsmanship, quality of materials, attention to detail, etc.

If you own a fine watch, you wear it because you appreciate this attention to detail, and the brand's heritage.

Who do you feel you need to impress by wearing a fake watch? :rolleyes:
 
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