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The Official "What My Local Acura Dealership Told Me About NSX 2.0" Thread.

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I stopped on of my local Acura dealers today to pick up some small parts for Charlotte and of course I was immediately approached by members of the sales staff. They wanted to know if I wanted to trade Charlotte in for the new car. LOL. I politely told them no but did express my interest in the new car. I was ushered into one of the dealership's offices since they had "stuff" to tell me that wasn't publicly available yet. OK sure why not. We all know that the dealers are often the last ones to know the details of a new model but when I was told they had just gotten off a conference call with some guy from Acura named Mike. A quick smartphone search came up with the name Michael Accavitti, Acura's Senior VP & General Manager. (I didn't share my search result with them) In any case now they got my interest. Here is what they apparently gleaned from this alleged conference call:

1. When you put the car in "Race" mode, it initiates a built in timer that requires you to visit a dealership to have "race specific" fluids swapped into the car. Then once done "Racing" you must return to the dealership to have the street spec fluids replaced. When I asked which fluids (i.e. motor oil? brake fluid? transmission fluid? windshield washer? gasoline?) were actually replaced, they were clueless. I swear, you can't make this stuff up. It gets better..............

2. Apparently the online ordering system will allow the buyer to not only select comfort and trim items, but there will also be various powerplant and drivetrain options as well. Their takeaway was that the 6 cyl, twin turbo with electric front motors was not going to be offered at the base $150,000 entry price.

At this point my built in bullshit detector was going off like a Geiger Counter at Chernobyl. I told them the online configuration option that mattered most to me would probably not be available. That would of course be the option to badge the car as a Honda and not a damn Acura.

I found the conversation so entertaining that I am going to visit a bunch of Acura dealerships in the coming weeks and share the fun with everyone here.

I then politely informed them that the modern NSX owner has essentially genetically evolved to not go near a dealership for anything service related. Of course new converts to the brand might not be so well informed.They were all atwitter until I told them of my experience buying Charlotte in 2003 and I was not the exception but apparently the rule when it came to this issue: When I purchased Charlotte in 2003 as the fourth owner when she had only 70,000 miles on the clock, I inherited a file folder with every damn receipt associated with the car. These included numerous expensive visits to Acura dealerships for factory scheduled maintenance including valve clearance checks, fuel filters, air filters, etc.. etc.. All TSBs were accounted for as well. I was thrilled that the my NSX was fully documented since birth. When I brought her home, I took her to Mike Alcalde at MCA Motorsports in Miami for a thorough going over. In fact, I just dropped her off, handed him the keys and told him to call me in a couple of days after he did a full inspection. It wasn't even there a 1/2 day when Mike called me as said: "Hugh, didn't you tell me that this car had a fully documented service history with all recommended items properly taken care of at the dealership level?" I answered in the affirmative of course. Mike then told me the cold hard truth. Not a single factory nut was ever cracked on the car. The little yellow paint marks applied after a nut or bolt is torqued at the factory were all undisturbed. Meaning, the valve covers were never removed, the fuel filter was never removed, neither was the air cleaner. Apparently the only thing serviced on the car was the motor oil and filter. Thank God it's an NSX and after only 70,000 miles that is really the only thing that matters.

I hope you guys and gals in Marysville are reading this. You had better get your dealerships in shape to properly care for this new car. Better yet, don't let them near it. You should be contacting all of the 1st Gen NSX techs that now own their own shops. Larry Bastanza, Dwight Brady, Nabil, Mike Alcalde, etc etc etc and offer them the opportunity to be factory authorized service outlets for the new NSX. They won't fuck up the new car. Your current dealerships will fuck up the new car regardless of what technician just got a new certification from Honda. It's not the techs that are your problem, it's the damn dealership owners who will cut any corner to make a profit. You guys know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. They're not called "Stealerships" for nothing.

Cheers and Up The Irons! \m/
Hugh
 
Damn that is a crazy story, and I also lol'ed at your secret discussion.
 
Hugh, I'm confused- how did you have a folder full of receipts, etc, when nothing was ever actually done on the car? Or are you implying that shops were charging for parts and labour they never actually did? That seems a little... Unlikely, to say the least. Sure, if it's Joe Schmoe's shop, I could see it. But an actual dealership? It's also not impossible to realign all the markings on bolts/threads... I'm anal enough to do that myself.
 
Hugh, I'm confused- how did you have a folder full of receipts, etc, when nothing was ever actually done on the car? Or are you implying that shops were charging for parts and labour they never actually did? That seems a little... Unlikely, to say the least. Sure, if it's Joe Schmoe's shop, I could see it. But an actual dealership? It's also not impossible to realign all the markings on bolts/threads... I'm anal enough to do that myself.

I believe it 110% because something sort of similar happend to me at HENDRICK ACURA in CHARLOTTE on INDEPENDENCE BLVD after having them put in a new clutch for me for 4.5k.... They claimed to have driven it after putting it in to make sure everything was okay... After pulling off the lot, I didn't make it a 1/4mi before I had ZERO clutch pressure and I could put it in gear, hold the break, release the clutch and the car would nvr stall. There was absolutely no way they drove it as they claimed
 
Hugh, I'm confused- how did you have a folder full of receipts, etc, when nothing was ever actually done on the car?
Exactly. Some maintenance was done but many services were charged for and not performed. Not only were the original paint markings still aligned, they were unbroken. What I am describing is not uncommon at car dealerships.
 
Exactly. Some maintenance was done but many services were charged for and not performed. Not only were the original paint markings still aligned, they were unbroken. What I am describing is not uncommon at car dealerships.

totally normal all around the globe. Honda/Acura dealerships suck
Replaced the air filter on my sisters Insight at 45k miles ... It was black ... Have never seen one before that looked like that. OEM Honda air filters are snow white for these cars. Probably was still the filter the car left the assembly line with.
We have a big problem with stuck brake pads here due to the chemicals added to the salt in winter. The biggest Honda dealership uses a spray grease! used for railroad normally to stop brake squeal instead of cleaning the brakes. Actually charges the customer the cleaning service. You can imagine how good a car brakes that has grease on the discs ...

Makes me freak out every time I have to go to a dealership and listen to the Bulls*** they tell me ...

Bernhard
 
This would never happen at our shop, but we have seen many vehicles supposedly serviced at other dealerships, that have not had the work done that was paid for. I guess the worst case we've seen of this kind of crap was a young girl that traded in a Prelude years ago. When asked if the timing belt was changed, she assured us that it was. Not long after we resold the car the timing belt failed and did lots of nasty things to the engine. That was an expensive lesson as we had to round up a good low mile motor for our not to impressed customer. From that point on we always made sure that we saw receipts to show the work was indeed done and by who. So did the girl actually pay for a timing belt job and not get it? I highly doubt it. When we contacted her, told her what happened, and asked where she had the work done, and could she find the receipts to prove it, she blew us off. Sometimes, Hugh, customers are bigger pricks than dealers. Hard to believe isn't it.
 
The NSX is so rare, most dealership lack the knowledge on servicing one properly. Hey if it ain't broken! Don't fix it note probably delivered to every tech's locker in the middle of the night by the service manager lol.
 
Since Larry has passed the throne of President to Brian , maybe he can go to Ohio and become factory trained. Larry ? Lud ? Rob ? Ted ? anyone out there care to comment.
 
Things I've been told by various dealers so far:

1. Allocations are based on the number of exotic cars registered in your market area...not dealer volume.

2. One dealer indicated that they are applying a $35K market adjustment.

3. Less than 500 will be made the first year.

4. One wants a deposit in the mid-four figures just to get on a waiting list...fully refundable of course.

Having not purchased a new NSX in the past, I don't know how much of this is typical of Acura dealers?? I waited a year for a Z06 with a deposit of $500, and selling price at MSRP. I also have a $500 deposit on a next gen ZR1/Zora also at MSRP.

I realize virtually everything at this point is speculation, but I'm wondering if you guys feel that the buying process for the new NSX will mimic much of what happened when the 1st gen was launched, or has time and technology changed how this car will be bought?
 
Glenn,

I believe the global adoption of the internet has changed the way the purchasing process will be handled. From the unveiling, it sounds like the ordering process will be similar to how the LFA ordering process was handled. Pick your trim, colors and options. Many "insiders" have repeatedly stated that there will not be cars simply sitting on the dealership lots for purchase similar to what the NSX v1 did during much of its production.
 
I'm going to go to my local dealer today and see what they have to say. Keep in mind this is the same dealer with the master acura tech that used hose clamps to seal the rear axle boots on my car and the billing invoice said greased front cv joints. Yes I got a refund on labour and I go there for humor now.
 
One Ontario Canada dealer told me:

1. Allocation will be based on income levels of corresponding residential areas meaning not all Acura dealers will get one. Dealer principals know this and are lobbying to have this changed

2. No on-site inventory

3. Buyers will be given an opportunity to order based on confirmed deposit

4. Canada will receive an allocation of 50

5. White will not be offered in the first year of production



Kidding on #5 .

Cam
 
My dealer took a deposit and told me I was #1 , then refunded my deposit and told me they reserved the right to set their own pricing... not sure Acura left much money on the table at $150k+.
 
I would find a new dealer then. New buyers should not be afraid to travel to find a fair price. It may be cheaper to travel and ship or drive the car home than dealing with extreme markups. Unless of course you're a baller and don't care :cool:
 
I believe it 110% because something sort of similar happend to me at HENDRICK ACURA in CHARLOTTE on INDEPENDENCE BLVD after having them put in a new clutch for me for 4.5k.... They claimed to have driven it after putting it in to make sure everything was okay... After pulling off the lot, I didn't make it a 1/4mi before I had ZERO clutch pressure and I could put it in gear, hold the break, release the clutch and the car would nvr stall. There was absolutely no way they drove it as they claimed

Side bar: I'm definitely not defending bad techs, and I've had one or two bad ones at that dealership as well. (Now owned by Scott Clark.)

However, I always visit Sam, Jack, or Javier - Those three know their stuff. Between the three of them, and our family's multiple Honda's (including the NSX), we've never had a bad experience. None of them would've returned a car to the service writers in an inoperable condition.

Just FYI to those in the Charlotte area.
 
It really sucks when customers talk to the regular sales people about the NSX rather than the NSX Specialists. We have one person at our store that didn't know the NSX is an Acura. This person was born towards the end of the NSX production, so... *facepalm*

Allocations are based upon store volume and the number of supercars in the area. Meaning, places like LA, Bay Area, NY, Miami that have a high volume of supercar stores will receive more allocations.

I thought it was around 800 for the first MY, but I cant find the source to back that up.

Not all stores will be authorized NSX service centers. Stores have to pay for the tools and the training for the NSX2, so it doesn't make sense for the smaller stores.
 
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