Type-S Announced

[latzke]

Let's see all those people who posted that they would only purchase a NC1 if it was a special variant, step up to the plate. It's time to put up or shut up.

To be fair, a lot of those folks said they'd buy an NSX-R if it met their particular unrealistic criteria, like: All ICE (no electric motors), manual transmission, very light, for less than $100k. Since the impossible/unrealistic didn't happen, they'll have an excuse not to buy.

 

[docjohn]

lets see what the specs are 8/12....I suspect at least 550 from ice alone.....

 

[sled driver]

So tired of hearing sales figures. Remember the Shelby Gt350 in 1965-66 couldn't give them away. Sold them to Hertz. Ford GT 2005-06 dealers discounted ugly Heritage edition. It had a blue oval badge. Maybe they should have removed it for a cleaner look (sic). Mercedes AMG SLS black series Now going for double.

NSX S will be a collectable because of precision, mechanicals, drop dead design and performance and not sound system. Oh BTW, my FGT has a worse infotainment system then the NSX.

Jimmy aka sled driver

 

[sbkim]

lets see what the specs are 8/12....I suspect at least 550 from ice alone.....

I thought current speculation is upgraded turbos adding extra 20 HP - so just at or below 600HP.

 

[sled driver]

Given the dyno figures with a JB4 they better do a lot better than 600HP as a jb4 is 551 at the wheels in program 2. It is torque that gets acceleration times and the slippery slope is the tire combo with Conti 6's is at max. So need at least 500 lb ft of torque and 640 hp to get in mid 10's and 0-60 at 2.5 I believe they need to juice up the electric motors and the bigger turbo will help mid to top end. The achilles heal is the torque rating on the DCT which is about 600 so I'm told.
Jimmy aka sled driver

 

[docjohn]

I thought current speculation is upgraded turbos adding extra 20 HP - so just at or below 600HP.

600 total hp is not going to cut it.....for me it is this vs the new ZO6

 

[sbkim]

600 total hp is not going to cut it.....for me it is this vs the new ZO6

I was pretty bummed to hear this. But may be they will make it up via increasing electric power?

Plus, no changes to the interior, including infotainment or adding any safety features like blind side assist. Basically, revised front and rear bumpers, suspension tweaks, 20HP via new turbos, new seats, and bunch of type S emblems. I presume pricing won't be materially different from current base price but of course no $20K rebates and more than likely ADM.

 

[powdbyrice]

Maybe powdbyrice will come through with a good deal on these at some point.

:frown:

My opinion as a car guy: I dont think these will fall under MSRP. We all know the pricing across the car market is stupid right now.

My opinion as a salesman: Acura has 300-ish stores across the US. Lets say 2/3 will order at least 1. Hopefully I can get 2 or 3.

My combined opinion: I think the timing of this lines up a future full electric NSX (2023-2025?). They have to find something for the folks at PMC to do. I want to keep my title as NSX Specialist. :biggrin:

 

[powdbyrice]

I was pretty bummed to hear this. But may be they will make it up via increasing electric power?

Plus, no changes to the interior, including infotainment or adding any safety features like blind side assist. Basically, revised front and rear bumpers, suspension tweaks, 20HP via new turbos, new seats, and bunch of type S emblems. I presume pricing won't be materially different from current base price but of course no $20K rebates and more than likely ADM.

The picture of the test mule shows a screen like the current Acuras unless it is something else.

Dont forget the new wheel design.

With the engine revisions and a little more from the electric motors, 610-620? Sub 600 would be dumb.

I'm thinking MSRP is in the $175 range.

 

[Kim2017NSX]

I would expect the Type S to price out at over $200K to keep in line with the prior offerings, depending on what is made standard equipment. I would also expect the horsepower to be over 650 hp to even be competitive with other offerings in the segment and hopefully more like 675 hp along with some weight reduction. it would also be nice if the electric motors (which I assume will be upgraded) didn't shut off at 120 mph and the car had a top speed of over 200 mph. I contacted my sales rep yesterday to let him know I may be interested. He called me today and said they had so many calls today about the Type S including from people offering deposits. But he said I was first so I'll get a chance to buy it if the GSM doesn't take it himself They really have no other info at this time.

 

[jaybird]

Sad to hear this, but can't be unexpected. Imagine its tough to justify continued production with such low volume numbers each month. At least they are going out with a bang -- new hp has gotta be at least 650 and have read somewhere that they will be at 200 mph minimum. Some suspension improvements and aero I'm guessing. Will be interesting to see what (if any) impact will be on NC1 values --- my initial thoughts would be that it won't hurt, and ultimately will help (with such limited number of them out there). We'll see ---- still, kinda sad to see the end of production.

 

[docjohn]

I'm sure there will be an all E follow up with amazing accel...

 

[stoneunhenged]

As the owner of a 2017, I see this as a positive. This car was way ahead of the design curve with its sophisticated hybrid propulsion system, torque vectoring, etc. One day it will be seen for what it is: A pivotal car that ushered in an era of hybrid performance at a fraction of the cost of comparable cars. Hell, they're already barely depreciating in value, and that was before the announcement that Acura won't be producing more of them. I'd say it's a long-term hold.

 

[Gattiman]

300 units? Price markup is going to be absurd. Did they say msrp is the same? I’d expect an increase because why not. I’d expect 180-200k base price.

 

[sled driver]

This is a post I made earlier today but for some reason it didn't make it to the thread!

I spoke with two dealers today. Acura has 272 stores (give or take) in the USA. 300 cars and was told not all dealers will get one as it's based upon NSX sales for allocations. I'm number three at the dealer I bought my 2020. Second dealer not taking deposits as the list is too long. Humm. For those waiting for the spec, it's too late. The S will sell out and if you think MSRP.....better think market adjustment. It will be $200K or a long wait.
Jimmy aka sled driver

 

[Silver F16]

1999. Honda had a tough time selling all 49 Zanardi editions. Some dealers went into year 2000 to sell them.

 

[Hugh]

The "S" in Type S stands for Sayonara. Definitely not Senjutsu which is the title of the new Iron Maiden album dropping on 9/3.

 

[Mac Attack]

I'll make these two predictions:

1) Honda will stay true to form and not mess with total system output. Instead, they'll fiddle with and perfect stuff like the gas pedal design or revised sway bars, some mild weight reduction, wheel/tire changes, and limited edition cosmetic stuff. I'll bet the exhaust system even stays the same.

2) GM will leverage the NSX technology in the upcoming hybrid Corvette as part of their new strategic alliance. So, some of the NSX spirit will live on, but in a Corvette.

 

[Bricks and Bio]

The more I ruminate on this play the more I feel it was concocted to give a little something to the US dealers that invested a bunch in the program and sold very few cars.

300 of 350 to the US.

What about the nice Canadians, what do they get, 5 cars?

Honda recoups a few bucks on the bumpers they developed years ago to refresh toward the current branding.

After this mess, I can't see how they would green light an electric super car.

Honda just doesn't seem to understand the supercar market (performance is king, max customization, frequent updates to keep relevant).

Maybe something like a 450 HP e RSX coupe with AWD.

And that shouldn't take 10 years to develop.

 

[sled driver]

I'll make these two predictions:

1) Honda will stay true to form and not mess with total system output. Instead, they'll fiddle with and perfect stuff like the gas pedal design or revised sway bars, some mild weight reduction, wheel/tire changes, and limited edition cosmetic stuff. I'll bet the exhaust system even stays the same.

2) GM will leverage the NSX technology in the upcoming hybrid Corvette as part of their new strategic alliance. So, some of the NSX spirit will live on, but in a Corvette.

Strong info on upgraded wheel tire package which suggests more power and upgraded suspension. I don't see weight reduction as too costly. Didn't know about alliance with GM. I don't think anyone buying a Vet thinks about an NSX.
Jimmy aka sled driver

 

[NZNick]

Are these going to be built-to-order, as was the intention at the outset?

 

[Z06nsxcts]

Now that the plug has been pulled I’m going to see what the S offers but at this point the z06 sounds like where I’m headed. Open top amazing exhaust for those that haven’t heard the trailer.

So many mid engined options out there coming up. Ferrari, Maserati,McLaren even lotus has a new mid-engined car coming and that will be avail with a manual transmission.

Plan on enjoying my NC1 daily until I move on.


MC

 

[Kim2017NSX]

The description on the Acura website mentions that the car will have more power, more sound and more emotion. So I expect the exhaust system to be different than the current NC1. The lack of an louder exhaust has been a common criticism of the car so I think they would try to correct this. The infotainment system also got some criticism so I expect that to be improved also. Hopefully they will take of some other relative weaknesses such as the lack of an adjustable height option to clear steep driveways etc and also have a seat adjustment that allows for the height to be moved and perhaps an improved cupholder set up. I think a made to order approach is likely to be offered and hopefully they will offer some new color choices as well as an option to upgrade to stickier tires. Again, if they truly want to go out with a bang there needs to be a significant power increase. With the JB4 option readily available at minimal cost to current NC1 owners and the power to weight ratio for the new 992 911 Turbo S, the Maclarens, the upcoming C8 Z06, the Huracans and not to forget about the Tesla Plaid and Porche Taycan Turbo S. My sense it anything under 650 to 675 hp and with the electric motors not turning off at 120 mph is critical if demand is to be strong for this car. If I don't end up getting a Type S and trading in my current NC1 I won't be disappointed because I am very happy with the car I have. I do have a deposit on a new 911 Turbo S cabriolet (no allocation yet) and will trade in my Lexus RCF Track Edition on that when the time comes.

I don't expect a negative impact on the depreciation of current NC1s. There is now a finite no. of them and honestly I think their reputation and appreciation has gone up over time with respect to true potential buyers. I love my NC1 so much and unless the Type S offers some pretty significant advantages over what I have now and at a fair price I won't take the requisite financial jump that it will entail. I definitely wouldn't be buying the Type S in anticipation of it skyrocketing in value in the future - all that stuff is way too speculative for me.

Of course it is saddening to hear of this being the end of the line as we know it. I agree with those who have mentioned that the NC1 was ahead of its time and IMO is truly a better car than many magazines and reviewers have rated it. Expecting the car to sell for close to $100K new as some have suggested is completely unreasonable. It's often that way with speciality vehicles when its difficult to benefit from any halo. I experienced that with the GMC Syclone and Typhoon. I worked so hard to get those vehicles to market on time and with the features I wanted etc. and in the end sales at the time didn't meet our expectations. Today those trucks have a cult-like following and recognition for what they were at the time but that wasn't reflected in sales volume and the positive halo effect was a tough argument to make because unlike Chevrolet with their massive distribution system and market clout, GMC Truck didn't have other performance vehicles in it's line up to pass that benefit on to.

It's a similar scenario for Acura and Audi also phased out the R8 V10. Electrification is the trend.

 

[gleibig]

The "S" in Type S stands for Sayonara. Definitely not Senjutsu which is the title of the new Iron Maiden album dropping on 9/3.


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I have an Iron Maiden pinball machine. :biggrin:

 

[Droptopp]

From the mechanical engineers who worked on the project whom I spoke with on a random beach trip to get ice cream, more electric output is coming on this car and more engine output.