I meant over $200k NSXs (ie those with a market adjustment) and under $200k (ie those closer to MSRP). That is an interesting comparison, nevertheless.
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FWIW, even vaunted Porsche took a few years to sell out the 918 examples of the 918 Spyder. Porsche built a car that their market needed to adjust to. When Ferrari and Macca sold out of their respective LaFerrari and P1, Porsche still had surplus available.
Man, Porsche really knows what they're doing!
We had a chance to buy a yellow CGT about 8 years ago at $260k and passed up the deal. Who would have known right?
There's a local guy here with a white 918 and it's one sexy beast, Porsche is probably one of the few automakers that has such a following so a bit unfair to compare Acura to Porsche.
There's a local guy here with a white 918 and it's one sexy beast, Porsche is probably one of the few automakers that has such a following so a bit unfair to compare Acura to Porsche.
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The images of owner's cars in the brief videos are digital renderings based upon the specification.
The light battery in the work instruction seen on Acurazine is a motorcycle battery (not a lithium ion battery).
After 3 months of ownership, you will receive the CF money clip.
There will also be "direct mailings" at 8 months and 12 months of ownership.
The protective film option for below the front bumper mentioned in Playbook 5 is heavy black film (not a plate) which is similar to material used on Blackhawk helicopters and is a track use oriented item.
They do not have take rates for the steel brakes yet and expect they will be showing up for the third car for some dealerships.
The images of owner's cars in the brief videos are digital renderings based upon the specification.
The light battery in the work instruction seen on Acurazine is a motorcycle battery (not a lithium ion battery).
After 3 months of ownership, you will receive the CF money clip.
There will also be "direct mailings" at 8 months and 12 months of ownership.
The protective film option for below the front bumper mentioned in Playbook 5 is heavy black film (not a plate) which is similar to material used on Blackhawk helicopters and is a track use oriented item.
They do not have take rates for the steel brakes yet and expect they will be showing up for the third car for some dealerships.
150 New and Used Acura NSX for sale
https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searc...zc=33446&aff=alerts&emc=alerts&akamai-feo=off
https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searc...zc=33446&aff=alerts&emc=alerts&akamai-feo=off
Rennlist Marketplace classifieds 12/21/16
http://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-marketplace/967646-2017-acura-nsx-5k-off-msrp-silver-red.html
http://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-marketplace/967646-2017-acura-nsx-5k-off-msrp-silver-red.html
THX....Haven't followed the classifieds on Prime.
Obviously reaching out to a broader market.
Below MSRP at Fresno Acura.. I believe $7K off. Steven's Creek called and would take some off MSRP but didn't give me a number. Both of these are just above $190K
Seems at this rate it will just be a matter of time before we see these cars discounted significantly more....the ceramic brakes will be free pretty soon!
Since we are in the bay, Fremont Acura just called us today and offered a build slot for a May car at MSRP. We want a 2018 model year so going to pass on this one if anyone wants this offer.
Since we are in the bay, Fremont Acura just called us today and offered a build slot for a May car at MSRP. We want a 2018 model year so going to pass on this one if anyone wants this offer.
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just called it.
NSX time of death. midnight, Thursday the 22nd of December, 2016...
What makes you think that Honda will not reduce the production rate so they only meet the demand at MSRP? They have repeatedly indicated this is their plan. I doubt they will make the same mistake McLaren did with the 12C where they made far more cars than there were available buyers for at MSRP.
162 New and Used Acura NSX for sale
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As the number of buyers rapidly declined for the first gen NSX, Honda never lowered the price. Instead they massively lowered production. However it's clear that they were still producing more cars than they could actually sell at MSRP. When they didn't have enough buyers they forced many dealers to buy at least one NSX, even if the dealer didn't want to. Thus for many years you could buy an NSX for significantly below MSRP.
But with the new NSX all cars are made to order, so there should be no extra cars made. That leaves the dealers as the big unknown variable. Will participating dealers be forced to periodically buy a car? Or will many dealers choose to voluntarily buy one for the purpose of having a halo car sitting in their showroom? If so I can see the extra cars bought by dealers increasing the supply beyond the MSRP demand.
For these reasons I don't see this car ever getting as heavily discounted below MSRP as the original NSX was. Although I do believe that whatever discounting is coming, it will arrive sooner than it did for the original NSX. The first year demand for the new car is obviously not as high as it was for the original.
But with the new NSX all cars are made to order, so there should be no extra cars made. That leaves the dealers as the big unknown variable. Will participating dealers be forced to periodically buy a car? Or will many dealers choose to voluntarily buy one for the purpose of having a halo car sitting in their showroom? If so I can see the extra cars bought by dealers increasing the supply beyond the MSRP demand.
For these reasons I don't see this car ever getting as heavily discounted below MSRP as the original NSX was. Although I do believe that whatever discounting is coming, it will arrive sooner than it did for the original NSX. The first year demand for the new car is obviously not as high as it was for the original.
With the new NSX support stuff $$$ required to be authorized dealers (tools- equip - showroom paraphernalia etc) I doubt
most astute business owners would be satisfied to just have an NSX "halo" on the showroom floor for the benefit of people filling
out credit apps & to drool over while they're waiting for loan approval on the ILX.
Without the MDX/RDX there would be no Acura....as good as the the new NSX may be, it is not going to be a savior of the brand.
It's a $125K - $150K jump to get into an NSX from their bread & butter vehicles....that's a BIG jump.
NSX is way too expensive for the people w/$200K who are comparison shopping in that atmosphere.
Just my opinion.
most astute business owners would be satisfied to just have an NSX "halo" on the showroom floor for the benefit of people filling
out credit apps & to drool over while they're waiting for loan approval on the ILX.
Without the MDX/RDX there would be no Acura....as good as the the new NSX may be, it is not going to be a savior of the brand.
It's a $125K - $150K jump to get into an NSX from their bread & butter vehicles....that's a BIG jump.
NSX is way too expensive for the people w/$200K who are comparison shopping in that atmosphere.
Just my opinion.
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We don't think or know if Honda will reduce production. That is anyone's guess - all we stated was in the short run, prices will see significant discounts given the number of cars sitting on dealer lots. By early next year we think asking for $10k off will not be un-heard of, quite a step in the opposite direction from dealers asking $25-50k OVER.
Also worth noting is majority of the cars sitting around are dealer ordered cars safe to say, not individual orders. We get bombarded with phone calls lately from Acura dealers offering a build allocation slot at MSRP. This means there are more cars available than takers at this point.
Just out of curiosity, how much were dealer discounting the 2004/2005 models from the sticker of $89k? $20k off, $30 off?
We really hope Honda moves the opposite direction of McLaren since those $330k cars drop to $220k within the course of 1 year and less than 1000 miles in most cases, talk bout a hard pill to swallow, pay to play really takes on a whole new meaning!
2005 - $89,765 MSRP....5K factory incentive & $10K dealer....round numbers $75 +TTL.
The $5K factory was pretty much always there on earlier models & blow out subvented lease offers were an every day deal
as I remember. The NSX became a necessary evil to most dealers & they were great cars!
1991 they were roped off with "DO NOT TOUCH" signs. When I bought my 1st new one in 1994 they had 4 sitting out front for bait.
So we have to assume that the vast majority if not all of these cars are dealer ordered. A good number of these cars are sitting there with markups but it looks like a significant percentage are sitting there at MSRP and are not optioned to the gills. That indicates that there aren't a lot walk-up buyers for these cars. It seems like all of the post-launch media reviews didn't produce a lot of new buying intent. Now that we're going into the winter, the prognosis is not good for sales to suddenly pick up.
I think a large number of these dealers will have to discount these cars to move them. After the dealer-ordered inventory dries up, what will the normal sales pace be? It's not looking good IMO. Acura is going to need to offer an attractive lease program in the short term to get these cars moving. After that, they're going to need to come quickly with updates.
Maybe a NSX spyder is in the works, which will be nice, but I think Acura needs to come with a significant power bump for the base car. A NSX-R will spark interest but it's not gonna be enough to boost sales in the base model.
It's all but certain that beyond this group of dealer cars that Acura is not going to produce a bunch of NSX's to sit in showrooms. But I don't think they'll be happy if sales drop significantly below their 800 unit/year target. Not a good look if by year 2 or 3 we're looking at 200 NSX's a year.
I think a large number of these dealers will have to discount these cars to move them. After the dealer-ordered inventory dries up, what will the normal sales pace be? It's not looking good IMO. Acura is going to need to offer an attractive lease program in the short term to get these cars moving. After that, they're going to need to come quickly with updates.
Maybe a NSX spyder is in the works, which will be nice, but I think Acura needs to come with a significant power bump for the base car. A NSX-R will spark interest but it's not gonna be enough to boost sales in the base model.
It's all but certain that beyond this group of dealer cars that Acura is not going to produce a bunch of NSX's to sit in showrooms. But I don't think they'll be happy if sales drop significantly below their 800 unit/year target. Not a good look if by year 2 or 3 we're looking at 200 NSX's a year.
The cache of these cars was that the buyer was to be able to go online and custom build one. Unfortunately, the dealers speculated that they could make back their investment in materials, tools, etc. virtually with the first sale and ordered their own specs. Now why would someone willing to pay $200k for a custom ordered car spend 250k for someone else's build at launch? The dealers screwed the pooch on this one so let them have their fire sales and then the real buyers can build their own cars as was the promise of Acura.
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Old habits
they are used to selling what is on the lot
yes, some dealers wanted to catch some early adopter/immediate gratification dollars
they will have to get used to dealing with the custom order process or sell the crap out of any NSX they get in
they are used to selling what is on the lot
yes, some dealers wanted to catch some early adopter/immediate gratification dollars
they will have to get used to dealing with the custom order process or sell the crap out of any NSX they get in
I'd agree that most buyers in full command of their sense would not pay a $50k premium for a dealer-ordered car. However, there seems to be a number of reasonably spec'ed cars for sale at MSRP. One could say the reason they aren't moving is because most people want to custom order their car, but the NSX doesn't have a ton of options like a Porsche, Ferrari, or Lambo does. If you want a car in 130R White, chances are there's a car on the lot that's pretty close to what you'd want anyway. Or at least, doesn't have anything on it that offends the sensibilities.
I do think a significant portion of supercar buyers will only buy a car configured exactly the way they want it. But there are also plenty who would rather have the car now and wouldn't care that the car had black calipers instead of red. Those customers aren't really snapping up NSX's as of yet. Many of those dealers are either gonna have to start discounting or wait until Spring.
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exactly, with 162+ cars available on one website alone, the odds of finding almost exactly what you'd want or very close to it must be extremely favourable.
i'm pretty picky when it comes to cars and bikes, and i have a collection of very rare and limited edition models. if i was wanting to purchase a new NSX right now in a certain colour (white on red would be my preference) and trim level (i couldn't really care less) i don't think i'd have any trouble finding a few to choose from and most likely get the price i wanted...
We haven't had time to look through all the 150+ ads but it seems from our experience most cars are either fully loaded to the max or they are bare strippers with just the ceramic brakes and a few low cost options putting them around $175k range.
The car we spec'd out has the MUST haves for our list which include: the CF roof, CF trunk spoiler and CF door sills but don't care for the upgraded audio or exterior / interior CF since we plan to develop our own CF parts for the car. This is one of the main reasons we are considering picking this car up.
We are looking for a Casino White with the red/suede black interior. Our MSRP is $182,400.
Since we have waited this long, we have decided if we are going down this route we want a 2nd year model so plan to pick up a 2018 car.
The car we spec'd out has the MUST haves for our list which include: the CF roof, CF trunk spoiler and CF door sills but don't care for the upgraded audio or exterior / interior CF since we plan to develop our own CF parts for the car. This is one of the main reasons we are considering picking this car up.
We are looking for a Casino White with the red/suede black interior. Our MSRP is $182,400.
Since we have waited this long, we have decided if we are going down this route we want a 2nd year model so plan to pick up a 2018 car.
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Hard to shed tears over dealer greed. I suspect that more build slots will be opened up to international markets (assuming there is demand there) if US inventory continues to build.
I think a lot of dealers would be happy to let an NSX sit on the lot for several months--- but I can't imagine many dealers would be happy to have TWO (or more) on the floor, so I still think we are all waiting to see where things shake out.
I'm happy with my car and don't really care much about brands, but it is sad how poorly Acura managed the whole product development/introduction process. At some point, I'll care about resale value, so I do hope they get their act together at some point.
I think a lot of dealers would be happy to let an NSX sit on the lot for several months--- but I can't imagine many dealers would be happy to have TWO (or more) on the floor, so I still think we are all waiting to see where things shake out.
I'm happy with my car and don't really care much about brands, but it is sad how poorly Acura managed the whole product development/introduction process. At some point, I'll care about resale value, so I do hope they get their act together at some point.
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