I wish I had a snickers bar right now after a horrible over hyped dinner I came back from.
I think you should really calm down. This is a car forum. We use it to discuss things. Not completely debunk ct engineering. Like I said before, I am quite happy with my ctsc kit. I do not frequent Ferrari shops, ride with Billy Johnson, or build make shift Nsx parts in my condominium. You really brought this out of me so here it is.... I do not trust anything you say. I trust ct engineering and the fellows at ct engineering. Nate, Kip, Shad, etc. These are the men I trust and I do not track my car. I trust them a whole lot further no matter what you say. So, being that this is a car forum, you rant then I rant. This is not a one sided fist fight.Eat a sinkers and low blood sugar? maybe you were offended by my statements to make more people aware the CTSC is not what its all cracked up to be? If your OK with mediocre performance and big optimistic dyno numbers and think 270 degree intake temperatures are a good thing than more power to you. the rest should be better informed. The OP is new, and thus although you state the subject is hammered to death, the OP was likely not aware.
I have no clue why resale is even part of the subject.... Especially since I have received allot of offers to buy my NSX in its current state, for allot more than I've ever seen an NA1 CTSC car sell for.. And track rat?.... Sorry my car still looks like a showcar from all angles inside and out and far from a stripped / abused track rat. http://s172.photobucket.com/user/tiago3/media/20151216_131325.jpg.html?sort=3&o=6 not to mention its only seen a handfull of track days in 10 years.
So I don't know even know what your talking about. No rough idle here, since I'm still on OEM engine internals, and it looks like a relatively stock car. especially compared to other modified cars.
You are making many assumptions. and even built engines don't automatically have rough idles.
All I did was make sure the OP and body else out there is fully aware a CTSC is not anywhere near comparable to a turbo. nor the N/A options.
yes you have pointed out the CTSC is a plug and play install with absolutely zero tinkering which is I also mentioned.... Well that pretty much takes all the fun out of it for many people that enjoy tinkering inclding me... I enjoy the dyno, I enjoy taking things apart.. so to each his own.
im not sure if your $11,000 comment was to sound like its allot of money... I spent over $10k losing the most recent 150lbs. and it was allot of fun. worth every penny... if i get $0 back it was still a damn great time. Considering I have car that competes with $100k+ cars its still relatively cheap fun.
Rock on with your high resale car goals to make the next owner happy, and I will continue with my goals of maximum enjoyment during my ownership. we both end up happy.
$11K buys a 3.5L stroker bottom end build fully installed with labor (without headwork) will make a solid 350whp all day. and can be run on a tuned OEM ecu... that's worth more fun than a CTSC. People just need to be aware there are other options.
Lol, where did you eat?I wish I had a snickers bar right now after a horrible over hyped dinner I came back from.
I think you should really calm down. This is a car forum. We use it to discuss things. Not completely debunk ct engineering. Like I said before, I am quite happy with my ctsc kit. I do not frequent Ferrari shops, ride with Billy Johnson, or build make shift Nsx parts in my condominium. You really brought this out of me so here it is.... I do not trust anything you say. I trust ct engineering and the fellows at ct engineering. Nate, Kip, Shad, etc. These are the men I trust and I do not track my car. I trust them a whole lot further no matter what you say. So, being that this is a car forum, you rant then I rant. This is not a one sided fist fight.
I am contributing to this forum. I prefer to speak on this matter privately but that is out now. Your young, you have the whole world ahead of you. I admire that. All I am saying is, your previous post slams on ct engineering on how inferior their bolt on kit is. I am here to tell you that you are wrong. It is not inferior. It holds up quite well. I read your posts. I admire your ambition. But for me personally as well as many others here, I do not have the time, ambition, man hours to persue your quest for Nsx immortality. That is why I am asking you to realize that not everyone has those ambitions.I need to calm down? I'm not even remotely agitated, wheres the fist-fight?
For some unknown reason you continue to take personal offense, and now try to offend me "making makeshift parts in my condominium" in the same sentence as Ferrari shops, and Billy Johnson... I'm confused... and you have the courage to offend my having taken the time to use my Ferrari contacts to even bother to invent the first dyno proven intake manifold to add 20whp in 25 years on a NSX. that quite few people have seen and have dyno files already... not sure i ever requested your trust? what would i need it for?
Please contribute something new to this forum someday.
I'm out.
I am contributing to this forum. I prefer to speak on this matter privately but that is out now. Your young, you have the whole world ahead of you. I admire that. All I am saying is, your previous post slams on ct engineering on how inferior their bolt on kit is. I am here to tell you that you are wrong. It is not inferior. It holds up quite well. I read your posts. I admire your ambition. But for me personally as well as many others here, I do not have the time, ambition, man hours to persue your quest for Nsx immortality. That is why I am asking you to realize that not everyone has those ambitions.
Please do not take offense to my posts. Like I did yours. Like I said, it is not a one way street. Anyways, wow I am sure my fellow op member from nor cal has his head spinning right now. Patricio, I love reading your posts, I love your insight, all I ask is respect to elders in the community as for ct engineering and the great people there who benchmarked innovations for the Nsx probably while you were in middle school. Just show a lil respect brotha. Do not worry, I still will read your posts and cheer you on.
Sounds like you ate at ct engineering? I know Patricio is smiling now.:smile:Jinks I'd rather not say. But let's just leave it at there's ancient places that never change and marvel in the glory of the olden days before people could actually taste food. A staple of the city I live in now basking in the past and honestly undeveloped since its stardomyears ago.
I just farted dandelion dust after my ct engineering dinner. At least I can breathe clean air though.:biggrin:Na man. If it was ct engineering they wouldn't have foie gras on the menu, and they would have a garden filled with micro greens and solar panels on the roof for sustainable living for you Cali folks! In all seriousness though I'm just jaded...
Truce agreed. I guess we both had a rough day.Stephen, I was not aware in addition to your cooking and a carbon fiber grand mastery your also a linguist.
jinks, I call a truce and I agree the CTSC has put many smiles on owners faces over the years. you and many others got thier $10k's worth and are happy with it and that's great. We see things through different prospective... I see a underlying market injustice that was unintentionally created by CT, they set the bar of HP per $ with a misunderstood product that has added difficulty for other fabricators overcome CT's jaded gains with new products for the past 20 years..
Therefore I prefer to support the companies that are currently re-inventing NSX parts like turbo kits, itb's & stroker kits, that make substantially better real whp than the CTSC. I hope other owners start giving way for new opportunities for development by comparing real NET power numbers
Yes this is true... you can fix the CTSC by adding a plethora of coolers for an additional $5k+ that a few companies have discontinued due to questionable effectiveness. Some heatsoak along with the CTSC (the coolers that do work are already included in turbo kits)
So $10k ctsc +75lbs
$3k Headers & exhaust (comes with a turbo kit)
After coolers and misc 5k +50lbs (with fluids)
That's $18k for parts (no labor) and your still limited to the 350whp safely without to the going standalone ecu and thus losing the smog advantages you wanted to begin with...
The second you go standalone and want to hit 400whp you lose smog need to add injectors and fuel pump $1000 (includied in turbo kits) and ems (FIC included with some turbo kits) aem/haltec $2500 recommended with any FI and then you should have just went turbo to begin with and have spent 21k on a CTSC system without labor and will no longer pass smog
And consider the added 125lbs to the car takes an extra 18hp just to haul itself around. (At 7pw ratio) so you really are back to only have NET relative 330whp not the 350whp.
Considering people spend thousands to take 30lbs weight off the back of the car to reduce pendelum effect for noticably improved handeling... you just stuck a dead body in the trunk...
I'm not anti-CT and turbo kits have their issues too.
Just comparing apples:apples.. if your just putting around and not out for max performace nor occasional HPDE and don't mind being passed by new $30k cars.. the CTSC does a fine job.
Im sorry if my comment was misunderstood it really was not NA vs FI related. I really am not anti-FI.. not sure why anytime weight is mentioned it's a NA promotion.
CTSC puts the weight up TOP and in the rear.. thus a double negative pendelum effect. Adding liquid coolant weight and intercooler adds more weight in the same spot... I cant see how this is a good idea and still be left with questionable gains.
a turbo at puts the rear weight low along the axle for a single directional negative effect. And makes allot of power and allot of wow factor... enough to make up whatever balance negatives
All of this should be taken into consideration. FI or NA... it's interesting how the track guys can feel 10-20lbs in the wrong spot and Parise improved handleing wih minor balance improvments . most FI guys shrug off 75-100lbs in the REAR like it makes no difference..
I have trouble processing performance upgrades single dimensionally. If OP only wants to faster in straght line disregaurd any advice I give.
Ttyl.
Patricio: do you have a link for all these ctsc weights?
My car has the Whipple 2.3l and the DA aftercooler, like 1ktogo (who's car is very light) and others on here. I am very happy with the 443whp/320tq and oem-like powerband. Anyway I was guessing 50lbs for everything.
Jeez.... I don't know maybe I've raced/tracked about 25 different tracks in my lifetime over 10 years ago. in a about 5-6 countires...
What do I know. I'm a noob..
Here come the personal attacks for no good reason. When your thee one not factoring the whole picture for whatever reasons you choose and accusing me of one sided arguments...
CTSC good but not as great as expected... turbo yes very good...
.. i guess maybe the op should take performace advice from people who dont track their cars...
Others have posted the weights over the years...
I persoannly bought turbo2go's CTSC and sold it .. I have the shipping label somewhere it was 110lbs total... -34 lbs for oem manifold... Add some oil in there too. It's around 75lbs heavier than oem...
Dave's car is 2880lbs... he has more money into weight reduction than he did into the CTSC
You car with that setup is probably allot of fun.... the question is more along the lines of would you do it the same all over again or to you sometimes wish for a turbo?.. as Dave sold his CTSC cause it was not enough and is going turbo.
What does this have to do with the price of Tea in China? Or the price of Yak Milk in Turkmenistan? It only supports what I just told you... Recommend you put on your big boy panties today...
Really Buttercup? Read to achieve... Google translate is there for you too...
There are plenty of owners here who track their cars and some of them posted on this thread. If you are referring to me, well, that is simple enough. No Patricio, I do not track my car at this moment as it is still being built. Being in Afghanistan also prohibits me slightly from being able to track my car at the moment. But hey, I'm still protecting your right to be a self-righteous douche. Does that work for you, buttercup? It would just break my heart if it didn't...
At last, the big boy panties are back on!! Constructive, useful, and good overall information for the OP. I knew you had it in you, buttercup!
I completely agree.Jinks I have driven plenty of stock CT equipped students cars at nsxpo hpde's and I can honestly say the car feels strong leaving the pits...but after lap 3 It doesn't feel much different than my NA 3.2 with bolt ons.that is I think why Patricio is so enthusiastic about his quest for the nsx track gobstopper if you catch my drift....and I love the CT guys.. the supercharger they retrofitted was primarily done to make the average street driver smile,and it delivers.So your difference in opinions is based on perspective.....