Thanks. I admit, speaking before thinking was not wise.....but I'm not afraid to admit a mistake and try to learn from it. And I don't hold grudges so it's all good.
R8 discussion, continue on....
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Thanks. I admit, speaking before thinking was not wise.....but I'm not afraid to admit a mistake and try to learn from it. And I don't hold grudges so it's all good.
R8 discussion, continue on....
The R8 is the same length as the NSX and only 4 in. wider, so it is not a big car, yet it is 450lbs heavier. Now there's 16 years of progress! I wonder how much performance you would really lose by dropping the front wheel drive?
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Wow so this $120k plus car is only a fender length ahead of a good running NA2 coupe. Oh yeah were do I write the check
Yes and the nsx looks better
Agreed! This isn't MySpace.
Wow so this $120k plus car is only a fender length ahead of a good running NA2 coupe. Oh yeah were do I write the check
It would be more than a fender ahead for sure. The Audi has a significant lbs/hp advantage over the NSX and much more torque. It will beat the NSX handily in all categories. I love the NSX, but the R8 will eat it up at the track and the dragstrip.
Yea...I don't see how anyone could bother worrying about a comparison of these 2 vehicles. They are alike only in the fact that they have 4 wheels and an engine. 130hp advantage surely can make up for any weight difference and the quattro of course will handle better. That's just the way it is, the R-8 can and will outperform the NSX....big deal. IMO though the NSX is still the much better looking car and will (continue to)wear it's age much better than the R-8 will.
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If Acura don't get the nsx right, I bet I'll one of the proud owner of the R8, in 2017:biggrin:
By the way, anyone liked the Lemans better??
If you were gay (no dis intended), this could be a family car. Unless you adopted to make your family more than 2.:tongue:
Why wait till 2017 to buy? Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm nearly 100% sure that there is atleast one Audi R8 as pictured floating around on the net somewhere that IS sitting somewhere in Cali (maybe) but most certainly in the US.
I'll try to fish up the link.
Either way, it's a single persons opinion about the NSX being inferior to the R8. There aren't enough R8's on the road with any kind of proven history experienced like an NSX to compare the two.
It's like the nerd who constantly replies with "hypothetically" or "In theory". Bottom line, he kinda lacks experience beyond a few test drives, and factory stats. I can put anything on paper stating a cars 0-60, 60-100, qtr mile time, braking distance, front/rear suspension ratios, blah blah blah.
The cars are different drive train. So of course it's going to feel different in balance/weight. The only similarities aft are mid engine, and two seater.
All wheel drive what??? Err did I miss something there?
EVO magazine tested NA2 NSX-R
0-60: 4.4 sec
BMI's best effort on 1/4 mile was 12.5x
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmhhhmmmm
R8 vs. NSX-R... Which one is truly better? I bet NSXSUPRA/Jason CTSC NA1 NSX will eat up the R8 any day. Maybe my NSX can do that the way it is right now.
As a track guy I disagree also I did say coupe. Factor in that I've never seen a stock NSX at the track and you change the variables. The R8 weighs as much as my M3 ( with a back seat and good size trunk
)and weight matters at the track. Also I missed the "quattro" is better memo. When did awd become the best way to get around a corner.With all that said if the R8 didn't outperform the NSX on the street I'd have to say there's a problem. The NSX should be outperformed by newer cars especially ones costing $30-40k more. I'm not trying to slam the R8! I've seen it up close and it's just not attractive to me ,but you like big Audi TT's more power to you. I've had an Audi quattro and it was a fun ,but heavy for its size car. As it got older all sorts of stuff started to go wrong and maintenance was high ( the thing didn't even take regular brake fluid. I had to buy hydralic fluid from the dealer
). Of course thats what the Germans do make heavy complicated cars. When something breaks drop your pants and grab your ankles ,because it's gonna hurt. That's just how they do it. The Japanese tend to make things a lot less complex ( i.e they use readily available , cheap to purchase fluids ) to own and operate. That's what the NSX changed about the exotic car world and that's what makes it a great car to have. Performance wise it was always competitive and just the fact the NSX is still mentioned when cars like the R8 come and go shows that it still is.
May the R8 make it's owners very happy:smile:
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To be fair, this was a stock vs stock comparasion.
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Who cares what they say? The most important thing is that NSX is a icon which people are talking about 16 years later in magazines and on the internet, R8 will never have the same status no matter how hard it tries. The R8 can't change history like the NSX. It isn't a revolution like NSX was with introduction of heavy use of aluminium to keep down the weight, it's more of a Audi TT evolution with a little more of everything and engine in the middle. Who cares about the better performance, it better eat NSX alive with 16 years newer technology - at least that's what I'm expecting it to do.
Probably a great car and great fun to drive, but I don't see it becoming anything more that a good car this decade and forgotten the next decade.
I think the new Audi is one hell of a car. Take away a couple hundred pounds and add a more powerful engine, and it would be a show stealer in my mind.
As it sits, too expensive next to the Pcar and Fcar options for me. It will be interesting to see how it evolves.
As it sits, too expensive next to the Pcar and Fcar options for me. It will be interesting to see how it evolves.
For a normal Audi I would agree....but the R8 is a crazy looking car!! It is one of the only Audi products I like. When we saw it at the Detroit Auto Show I was shocked it was going to be a production car. Absolutely amazing looking!
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WingZ, about your comment the repair fees on your audi vs an NSX.....if your nsx is a cheap fix, I would REALLY love to know where you get your parts and servicing done. I've had alot of different cars in my life, and japanese or not my nsx rates pretty near the top on parts alone. (OEM or AM)
Ex; Headlights for an 02^ NSX $1K just for the housings. I think items like that rival alot of the mid to high end german cars. :tongue:
And to see the AWD audis at high curb weights seems pretty standard for all the suspension/drivetrain they're packin.
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Ex; Headlights for an 02^ NSX $1K just for the housings. I think items like that rival alot of the mid to high end german cars. :tongue:
And to see the AWD audis at high curb weights seems pretty standard for all the suspension/drivetrain they're packin.
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Will a standard C5 Corvette beat the NSX handily in all categories and eat the NSX at the track and the dragstrip?
.........'08 R8...'04 C5..'04 NSX-T
Weight....3439.....3214......3153
HP.........420......350.......290
Torque.....317......360.......224
lbs/hp....8.19.....9.18.....10.87
(reference: Edmund's & Wikipedia)
The C5 has more horsepower giving it a lbs/hp advantage -- and it has much, MUCH more torque.
Just based on styling, I wouldn't spend a cent on the Audi R8. What a mess.
I find the R8 was too busy for me (styling), I would be suprised if it ages well.
Wow so this $120k plus car is only a fender length ahead of a good running NA2 coupe. Oh yeah were do I write the check
If you used that mentality, you shouldn't of purchased an NSX, wow so a 20K car with a few mods can run with an NSX...
You should know its not just about the 1/4 or 0-60.
If you used that mentality, you shouldn't of purchased an NSX, wow so a 20K car with a few mods can run with an NSX...
I don't know what mentality your using. Some people here were saying that an R8 would run all over an R8 my sarcasm reflects that for the price I'm not impressed with it's performance in comparison. Oh and when did I mention mods? I never compare modded to stock if I had then your sarcasm would be warranted ,but since I didn't again I don't know what mentality your using
Okay guys I went out bought this months C&D with the R8 in it. Is it wearing Advan model 5 wheels? I'd swear it was. The interior is beautiful ,but I couldn't get past the outside looks. What's odd is C&D doesn't know the price...does anyone? Also their estimating the weight which is odd generally when they do instrumented tests they have actual weight. They also don't even know what size wheels and tires the U.S model will get. Will the U.S model get launch control? Lot of unknowns with this car. Also I shot my mouth off to Mr Winfield in the letter posted below. Hopefully some 04/05 members will back me up if C&D decides to take me up on my offer:biggrin:
Dear Mr comment by memory
Concerning your comments about the NSX in reference to the Audi R8. According to your magazine you haven't driven or tested an NSX since you did the article on the Zanardi edition back in 1999. How about you actually do a final drive/test of the of an 04/05 to refresh your memory before you go spouting off that the R8 makes the "once supreme NSX feel downright unstable"!
So here's the gauntlet. You name the time and place and I will make sure someone from the NSX community brings an 04/05 NSX to the track for you to test and then you won't have to go off memory. Sound fair? Good! The ball sir is in your court.
Dear Mr comment by memory
Concerning your comments about the NSX in reference to the Audi R8. According to your magazine you haven't driven or tested an NSX since you did the article on the Zanardi edition back in 1999. How about you actually do a final drive/test of the of an 04/05 to refresh your memory before you go spouting off that the R8 makes the "once supreme NSX feel downright unstable"!
So here's the gauntlet. You name the time and place and I will make sure someone from the NSX community brings an 04/05 NSX to the track for you to test and then you won't have to go off memory. Sound fair? Good! The ball sir is in your court.
I agree 100% It looks like a goofed up TT to me. Enthusiasts that knew what it was and know the price tag on it will look, but I still don't think the R8 will turn the heads our NSX's will.
Is it possible he owns one?
It's definitely a nice looking car but I see it as the nicest Audi, not an exotic-looking masterpiece as I would consider the NSX. Don't forget we're talking about comparing people's reactions to a 16-year-old design vs. a brand new one...and it's debatable. Once again reinforcing how awesome the NSX is and was.
It appears as though the car is very well balanced and very fun to drive. However I'd be willing to bet a stock NSX-R would still outperform it on just about any track. A supercharged NSX-R would really make it look bad.
I'm just constantly reminded how much better Honda could do if they put their minds to it. I'm also not sure I would spend $120K on the R8. I would expect more hp than the RS4 to be quite honest. I can't believe they couldn't squeeze more hp out of that motor...
I really think they should have found a way to get the Gallardo's V-10 in there. And it's clearly not a pure, ultra-light track-bred car. I'm sure it will perform well enough on the track but for $120K I'd want it to be right there w/ a ZO6/F430. I think the curb weight says a lot; at 3500 lbs it's obvious there's a lot of compromise and the suspension is probably very forgiving to please the public. 98% of these cars will never see a track.
And as far as the NSX comment in the article I think that's quite a testament to the NSX that the writer would even bring it up at all. It's essentially a 16-year-old design that still gets compared to brand-new endeavors. Just confirms that the NSX was about 20 years ahead of it's time.
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