Thanks, this just gave me the laugh of the day.The facts show this is completely wrong. No more comment on this one.
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NSX Crash in San Diego
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The NSX weight distribution is 42%(F) 58%(R) that is not what I call ideal. The Corvette has the most even wight distribution because of the drive train layout having the engine in the front and tranny in the back.
Why don't we just give a moment of silence and offer a prayer for this unfortunate individual................................................................
Amen.
Thank you.:smile:
Amen.
Thank you.:smile:
The guy knows he messed up. For people to say he deserved it is wrong in so many ways. Im not part of any civic forum but I could just imagine what those kids are saying about the whole thing. Does anyone have a status on his condition? Id like to see a reputable vendor in the S.cal area collect donations for him. I'm in for $100 via paypal. Be strong driver...be a survivor.
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I've been over 100 once, and once only, to 105, for about 30 seconds, the day after I got my car. It was on a stretch of I-5 in California where the other drivers were already doing 90 in the fast lane. Even that minor speed differential, at that speed, was alarming to me, and I decided I wasn't going to do it again. I haven't in the five years since.
So, to answer one person's question, yes, I walk the walk.
To answer your question, I guess you'd call me a pussy. To which I'd respond that you're a jerk for calling me a pussy just because I choose safety for myself and others on the road.
All of you who defend street racing and other high speeds on surface streets, especially with the two-wrongs-make-a-right fallacy, should be ashamed of yourselves.
This is what's wrong with America. Nobody wants to accept responsibility for their own wrongs, and nobody wants to admit that others have done wrong, because then they'd have to admit they were wrong for doing the same thing.
Face it. The guy was speeding excessively and probably racing as well. The stretch of road is apparently infamous for street racing. It's not a coincidence that he wrecked there and people saw him do it while next to another tuner car. Further, even though they got the model wrong, people were able to identify several specific elements of the other car's appearance, like the tuning sticker. That's not a coincidence either, and if someone were going to make it up, they wouldn't mix up the tuning sticker with the wrong brand of car, because if they knew the sticker, they'd know what car it went with. He was there, there was another car there, they were both speeding... it was a damned street race. Stop fooling yourselves that it wasn't.
I don't want the guy to die or deteriorate, but when he's contemplating his broken neck, he should be spending the entire time thanking whatever cosmic entity he thanks that it's his neck and not someone else's, or worse.
It always amazes me that people would rather insult someone than admit someone else had done wrong.
I've been over 100 once, and once only, to 105, for about 30 seconds, the day after I got my car. It was on a stretch of I-5 in California where the other drivers were already doing 90 in the fast lane. Even that minor speed differential, at that speed, was alarming to me, and I decided I wasn't going to do it again. I haven't in the five years since.
So, to answer one person's question, yes, I walk the walk.
To answer your question, I guess you'd call me a pussy. To which I'd respond that you're a jerk for calling me a pussy just because I choose safety for myself and others on the road.
All of you who defend street racing and other high speeds on surface streets, especially with the two-wrongs-make-a-right fallacy, should be ashamed of yourselves.
This is what's wrong with America. Nobody wants to accept responsibility for their own wrongs, and nobody wants to admit that others have done wrong, because then they'd have to admit they were wrong for doing the same thing.
Face it. The guy was speeding excessively and probably racing as well. The stretch of road is apparently infamous for street racing. It's not a coincidence that he wrecked there and people saw him do it while next to another tuner car. Further, even though they got the model wrong, people were able to identify several specific elements of the other car's appearance, like the tuning sticker. That's not a coincidence either, and if someone were going to make it up, they wouldn't mix up the tuning sticker with the wrong brand of car, because if they knew the sticker, they'd know what car it went with. He was there, there was another car there, they were both speeding... it was a damned street race. Stop fooling yourselves that it wasn't.
I don't want the guy to die or deteriorate, but when he's contemplating his broken neck, he should be spending the entire time thanking whatever cosmic entity he thanks that it's his neck and not someone else's, or worse.
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I agree with 95% of what you are saying. I'll even concur that I am a jerk. I'm just saying that if you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
A car doesn't split apart like that at street legal speeds and he probably was racing. But he doesn't deserve to be persecuted by people who have done the exact same thing. This is an exotic sports car forum, not a bunch of Prius owners. I think his injuries and future legal problems are more than enough punishment already.
I agree with 95% of what you are saying. I'll even concur that I am a jerk. I'm just saying that if you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
A car doesn't split apart like that at street legal speeds and he probably was racing. But he doesn't deserve to be persecuted by people who have done the exact same thing. This is an exotic sports car forum, not a bunch of Prius owners. I think his injuries and future legal problems are more than enough punishment already.
Re: Street Racing accident rips NSX in Half (Photos and Video)
WOW......dont hurt yourself when you get down from that soapbox..........
WOW......dont hurt yourself when you get down from that soapbox..........
Re: Street Racing accident rips NSX in Half (Photos and Video)
Mirrorshades--
Hmm, I find it interesting that, in order to make your point, you felt you had to edit out a rather significant part of my post when you quoted it.
Did the redacted portion make it too hard to successfully insinuate that I'm a hypocrite who shouldn't throw stones in a glass house?
Mirrorshades--
Hmm, I find it interesting that, in order to make your point, you felt you had to edit out a rather significant part of my post when you quoted it.
Did the redacted portion make it too hard to successfully insinuate that I'm a hypocrite who shouldn't throw stones in a glass house?
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There's a time and a place for speeding and Sorrento Valley Road ain't the place. There are plenty of places that are relatively safe like long stetches of 5-lane interstates with no traffic or the track.
I'm not saying the speed limit of 45 on SVR isn't slow but 100mph is an unsafe speed for just about any surface street. He was most definitely engaging in risky behavior. If any NSX owner takes his NSX to 100 on a surface street that is unwise and I don't think that's what Mirroredshades was referring to but it sounded like that I suppose.
Speeding isn't inherently dangerous but when done in the wrong setting (like SVR) it can be. I'm sure that the stretch of the 5 you got to 105 on was very, very safe and the traffic was light and flowing at near that speed as it tends to on the 5 and 15.
There's a time and a place for speeding and Sorrento Valley Road ain't the place. There are plenty of places that are relatively safe like long stetches of 5-lane interstates with no traffic or the track.
I'm not saying the speed limit of 45 on SVR isn't slow but 100mph is an unsafe speed for just about any surface street. He was most definitely engaging in risky behavior. If any NSX owner takes his NSX to 100 on a surface street that is unwise and I don't think that's what Mirroredshades was referring to but it sounded like that I suppose.
Speeding isn't inherently dangerous but when done in the wrong setting (like SVR) it can be. I'm sure that the stretch of the 5 you got to 105 on was very, very safe and the traffic was light and flowing at near that speed as it tends to on the 5 and 15.
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Nope. Like a said, I AGREE with most of your post. I was just trying to condense your post a little. I'm sure you are a super safe driver but you aren't perfect either. Let the Perfect One cast the first stone.
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Nope. Like a said, I AGREE with most of your post. I was just trying to condense your post a little. I'm sure you are a super safe driver but you aren't perfect either. Let the Perfect One cast the first stone.
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You're not just comparing apples and oranges, you're comparing apples and space shuttles.
Please don't lump my human imperfections in with someone else's conscious, deliberate choice to do something incredibly dangerous and illegal.
You're not just comparing apples and oranges, you're comparing apples and space shuttles.
The official reply form Bob Endicott at American Honda after seeing the
pics of the NSX crash....
"I had not seen this. When these first came out a Honda rep crashed one
back east somewhere and tore it in half just like this one. The driver
undid his belt and stood up and walked out of the car unhurt. The
passenger had a broken ankle or foot or something. I guess you can only
make a car so strong when you make it out of used beer cans.
pics of the NSX crash....
"I had not seen this. When these first came out a Honda rep crashed one
back east somewhere and tore it in half just like this one. The driver
undid his belt and stood up and walked out of the car unhurt. The
passenger had a broken ankle or foot or something. I guess you can only
make a car so strong when you make it out of used beer cans.
This tradgedy hits close to home. I grew up in the area of the accident and still work a mile from where it happened. I drove past there earlier today to get some perspective on it. I'm sure in the past I've seen this guy driving around the area, as I like most of us NSXer's are acutely aware when one is near us on the road. For me there are two separate issues at hand.
The first is that no one in this world derserves to be hanging on to their life by a thread whether it's a 31 year old driver who f'd up or a kid with a terminal illness. Life and death shouldn't be about whether it's deserved or not. Who made us God?
Two years ago April 1st my boss & friend of 21 years took himself out in his 600 hp Cobra. He was thrown and killed 150 yards from his house, so close that his family heard the sirens and the last VM on his cell was his 14 year old daughter calling to see where he was. Alcohol most probably played a part in his death. What do I say "it serves him right!"? Forunately in his and the NSX incident no one else had to pay the price for their errors in judgement.
So for the individual, his grief stricken friends & family I can only say I hope and pray that he pulls through.
The second and separate issue is the whole "street racing" issue. For those who say that it's been happening forever, true. However my memory of past and even current street racing is that is usually held in a desolate area (to avoid the law), late at night or early morning and with all parties attending either racing or spectating the races. What happened on Camino Santa Fe was flat out hauling ass and losing it for whatever reason. For me it is evident from the location and destruction of the NSX that it had to be flying. The road bisects two main aterials and is busy every weekday all day. Not the time or the place, although to be truly honest is there any but the track?
I have made many bad driving decisions in my life which could have taken my or other's lives. Even though I don't drive in suburban areas on the edge, I know that in my "spirited" mountain driving my car is more capable than I am and an incident could be right around the corner if I'm in over my head.
Just trying to keep it in perspective. The reality is nobody promises you tomorrow. Keep safe all.
The first is that no one in this world derserves to be hanging on to their life by a thread whether it's a 31 year old driver who f'd up or a kid with a terminal illness. Life and death shouldn't be about whether it's deserved or not. Who made us God?
Two years ago April 1st my boss & friend of 21 years took himself out in his 600 hp Cobra. He was thrown and killed 150 yards from his house, so close that his family heard the sirens and the last VM on his cell was his 14 year old daughter calling to see where he was. Alcohol most probably played a part in his death. What do I say "it serves him right!"? Forunately in his and the NSX incident no one else had to pay the price for their errors in judgement.
So for the individual, his grief stricken friends & family I can only say I hope and pray that he pulls through.
The second and separate issue is the whole "street racing" issue. For those who say that it's been happening forever, true. However my memory of past and even current street racing is that is usually held in a desolate area (to avoid the law), late at night or early morning and with all parties attending either racing or spectating the races. What happened on Camino Santa Fe was flat out hauling ass and losing it for whatever reason. For me it is evident from the location and destruction of the NSX that it had to be flying. The road bisects two main aterials and is busy every weekday all day. Not the time or the place, although to be truly honest is there any but the track?
I have made many bad driving decisions in my life which could have taken my or other's lives. Even though I don't drive in suburban areas on the edge, I know that in my "spirited" mountain driving my car is more capable than I am and an incident could be right around the corner if I'm in over my head.
Just trying to keep it in perspective. The reality is nobody promises you tomorrow. Keep safe all.
Very sad to hear of this, my thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family:frown:
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If you are doing 105, and the car next to you or behind you is doing 90, guess what. That is racing. Just because there are 42 cars instead of 2 doesn't change the fact.
A great many of us have done stupid things in our cars...sometimes were lucky...sometimes not...I for one have really toned down my driving habits since owning my NSX! I went stupid for a short span and realized the true power and the true breaking point of the car...also taking into account the fact that you do not know what awaits you ahead... and you decide to slow down...and grow up! I believe that the driver is going to come out of this with the ability to walk - but he will always be reminded of the day that things did not go his way...at least no one else was hurt. Racing is stupidity at its max...for it fails to take the rest of society into account...just be careful everyone and learn from this driver's mistake.
How often in our live's have we not said to ourselves..."I wish I had not done that!".
Dam
and you decide to slow down...and grow up! I believe that the driver is going to come out of this with the ability to walk - but he will always be reminded of the day that things did not go his way...at least no one else was hurt. Racing is stupidity at its max...for it fails to take the rest of society into account...just be careful everyone and learn from this driver's mistake.How often in our live's have we not said to ourselves..."I wish I had not done that!".
Dam
I’m very impressed with how the NSX dissipated the energy. It appears it “did” what it was supposed to do.. The fact that anyone survived is a testament to the engineering. After looking at a number of crashes, Honda has done a terrific job of engineering a wonderful machine that is very, very safe for its size and mass. If you look at the back quarter panels there is hardly a wrinkle.
Too bad it had to be put through a test.
Too bad it had to be put through a test.
looks like energy was not dissipated well enough or the body would have taken the beating instead of the driver side getting cut by the pole.
Think about it..
hit a pole very hard and something has to give. Instead of bending it broke apart like an F1 or other racing cars... Look at most any other vehicle and the impact would possibly left it in a “single” piece, but mangled the entire car into a ball and crushed the driver. Aside from internal injury, which you expect, he sustained "only" a fractured neck and pelvis (obviously from the lap belt catching him). No broken legs etc..
The NSX did its job (very well) under the circumstances
hit a pole very hard and something has to give. Instead of bending it broke apart like an F1 or other racing cars... Look at most any other vehicle and the impact would possibly left it in a “single” piece, but mangled the entire car into a ball and crushed the driver. Aside from internal injury, which you expect, he sustained "only" a fractured neck and pelvis (obviously from the lap belt catching him). No broken legs etc..
The NSX did its job (very well) under the circumstances
Even more amazing is that Aluminum has so much integrity, lets hope it lasts another 40 years before it gets brittle.
Hang in there, your friend is in my prayers (for survival, and then full recovery). Brain-related injuries are tough, lots of unknowns, recovery potentially very lengthy. The whole process is a period when your friend will learn who his real friends are - the few who come and see him, talk to him, etc.
80% of the comments on this thread have left me speachless - not at all representative of the NSX community I've come to know and love over many years. I'm sorry you've had to parse them.
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I am highly disappointed in how some of the members are actually stupid enough to believe ANYTHING on the news. They have so many errors on the story its not even funny. What I will say is most here have track experience and will know how their NSX handles right? Most are mature and wont street race. I am sure though since your NSX is an exotic that you will have people trying to race and rev up there shitbox 4bangers at you. In my honest opinion it could have been a subie or evo trying to race and distracting this innocent prime member enjoying a cruise, they pissed him off and he accelerated to beat the light??? to get rid of the pesky subie/evo?? We all know how fast you can accelerate in 2nd gear at around 40mph..
My prays are with him and I hope someone can track down this other car. Also is there actually pictures of this other car????????
My prays are with him and I hope someone can track down this other car. Also is there actually pictures of this other car????????
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I agree with you both. I'm down for $50 plus delivering whatever gift or help is given/needed. I have plenty of proof of who I am on the Internet (.com hosting biz owner) and would be happy to hold a PayPal account for him. So far that's $150 in pledges?
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