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2008 Proposed tax changes OMG!!!!

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Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:





CAPITAL GAINS TAX



MCCAIN

15% (no change)



OBAMA

28%



CLINTON

24%



How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.





DIVIDEND TAX



MCCAIN

15% (no change)





OBAMA

39.6%



CLINTON

39.6%



How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama or Clinton become president. The experts predict that "Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit."





INCOME TAX



MCCAIN

(no changes)

Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250



OBAMA

(reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)

Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750



CLINTON

(reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)

Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750



How does this affect you? No explanation needed. This is pretty straight forward.





INHERITANCE TAX



MCCAIN

0%

(No change, Bush repealed this tax)



OBAMA

keep the inheritance tax



CLINTON

keep the inheritance tax



How does this affect you? Many families have lost businesses, farms and ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will not only lose them to these taxes.



NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY BOTH CLINTON AND OBAMA



* New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet

* New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already)

* New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity)

* New taxes on retirement accounts

and last but not least....



* New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!



Can you afford Clinton or Obama? I can't!!!!!



(in case you want more information on Obama's tax and spend agenda:



If Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) Could Enact All Of His Campaign Proposals, Taxpayers Would Be Faced With Financing $874.35 Billion In New Spending Over One White House Term:
Updated February 14, 2008: Obama's National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank Will Cost $60 Billion Over Ten Years; Equal To $6 Billion A Year And $24 Billion Over Four Years. Obama: "I'm proposing a National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank that will invest $60 billion over ten years." (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks On Economic Policy, Janesville, WI, 2/13/08)
Obama's Health Care Plan Will Cost Up To $65 Billion A Year; Equal To $260 Billion Over Four Years. "[Obama] campaign officials estimated that the net cost of the plan to the federal government would be $50 billion to $65 billion a year, when fully phased in, and said the revenues from rolling back the tax cuts were enough to cover it." (Robin Toner and Patrick Healy, "Obama Calls For Wider And Less Costly Health Care Coverage," The New York Times, 5/30/07)
Obama's Energy Plan Will Cost $150 Billion Over 10 Years, Equal To $15 Billion Annually And $60 Billion Over Four Years. "Obama will invest $150 billion over 10 years to advance the next generation of biofuels and fuel infrastructure, accelerate the commercialization of plug-in hybrids, promote development of commercial-scale renewable energy, invest in low-emissions coal plants, and begin the transition to a new digital electricity grid." (Obama For America, "The Blueprint For Change," www.barackobama.com, Accessed 1/14/08, p. 25)
Obama's Tax Plan Will Cost Approximately $85 Billion A Year; Equal To $340 Billion Over Four Years. "[Obama's] proposed tax cuts and credits, aimed at workers earning $50,000 or less per year, would cost the Treasury an estimated $85 billion annually." (Margaret Talev, "Obama Proposes Tax Code Overhaul To Help The Poor," McClatchy Newspapers, 9/19/07)

Obama's Plan Would Raise Taxes On Capital Gains And Dividends, And On Carried Interest. Obama's tax plan includes: "ncreasing the highest bracket for capital gains and dividends and closing the carried interest loophole." (Obama For America, "Barack Obama: Tax Fairness For The Middle Class," Fact Sheet, www.barackobama.com, Accessed 1/8/08)
Obama's Economic Stimulus Package Will Cost $75 Billion. "Barack Obama's economic plan will inject $75 billion of stimulus into the economy by getting money in the form of tax cuts and direct spending directly to the people who need it most." (Obama For America, "Barack Obama's Plan To Stimulate The Economy," Fact Sheet, www.barackobama.com, 1/13/08)
Obama's Early Education And K-12 Package Will Cost $18 Billion A Year; Equal To $72 Billion Over Four Years. "Barack Obama's early education and K-12 plan package costs about $18 billion per year." (Obama For America, "Barack Obama's Plan For Lifetime Success Through Education," Fact Sheet, www.barackobama.com, 11/20/07, p. 15)
Obama's National Service Plan Will Cost $3.5 Billion A Year; Equal To $14 Billion Over Four Years. "Barack Obama's national service plan will cost about $3.5 billion per year when it is fully implemented." (Obama For America, "Helping All Americans Serve Their Country: Barack Obama's Plan For Universal Voluntary Citizen Service," Fact Sheet, www.barackobama.com, 12/5/07)
Obama Will Increase Our Foreign Assistance Funding By $25 Billion. "Obama will embrace the Millennium Development Goal of cutting extreme poverty around the world in half by 2015, and he will double our foreign assistance to $50 billion to achieve that goal." (Obama For America, "The Blueprint For Change," www.barackobama.com, Accessed 1/14/08, p. 53)
Obama Will Provide $2 Billion To Aid Iraqi Refugees. "He will provide at least $2 billion to expand services to Iraqi refugees in neighboring countries, and ensure that Iraqis inside their own country can find a safe-haven." (Obama For America, "The Blueprint For Change," www.barackobama.com, Accessed 1/14/08, p. 51)
Obama Will Provide $1.5 Billion To Help States Adopt Paid-Leave Systems. "As president, Obama will initiate a strategy to encourage all 50 states to adopt paid-leave systems. Obama will provide a $1.5 billion fund to assist states with start-up costs and to help states offset the costs for employees and employers." (Obama For America, "The Blueprint For Change," www.barackobama.com, Accessed 1/14/08, p. 15)
Obama Will Provide $1 Billion Over 5 Years For Transitional Jobs And Career Pathway Programs, Equal To $200 Million A Year And $800 Million Over Four Years. "Obama will invest $1 billion over five years in transitional jobs and career pathway programs that implement proven methods of helping low-income Americans succeed in the workforce." (Obama For America, "The Blueprint For Change," www.barackobama.com, Accessed 1/14/08, p. 42)
Obama Will Provide $50 Million To Jump-Start The Creation Of An IAEA-Controlled Nuclear Fuel Bank. Obama: "We must also stop the spread of nuclear weapons technology and ensure that countries cannot build -- or come to the brink of building -- a weapons program under the auspices of developing peaceful nuclear power. That is why my administration will immediately provide $50 million to jump-start the creation of an International Atomic Energy Agency-controlled nuclear fuel bank and work to update the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty." (Sen. Barack Obama, "Renewing American Leadership," Foreign Affairs, 7-8/07)
 
This is perfect timing. I always thought our tax rates were too low. I think if we time the elections just right with the stock market's weakest point, we can have all the baby boomers pull out in a panic to escape the increased losses of the new capital gains tax. Should be pretty awesome.

I also think double, triple, quadruple and then some taxation on the same thing is a pretty fair concept. We should be honored to only give up half of our dead relatives' stuff to the government, the government needs its piece of the pie too.

And for the Good Lord's sake, why haven't we had higher retirement taxes already? Everyone knows Social Security is going to take care of us anyway.

It's time to stop making the rich richer and give some back to the deserving and struggling middle class! Hillbama 2008-2024! They can swap after two terms and the prosperity can continue!
 
Thanks for posting this info...we need to keep a Republican in the oval office (period).
 
Interesting information.

Candidates say what they need to say to get elected depending on the party they represent. Of course McCain says "no new taxes for people and business" and of course Clinton and Obama say "more taxes for services". I doubt we will really see those tax increases (afterall, even Democrats in the FedGov - Senators, etc, don't want to pay more tax and the President knows not to shut out friends whether Republican or Democrat).
 
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This is perfect timing. I always thought our tax rates were too low. I think if we time the elections just right with the stock market's weakest point, we can have all the baby boomers pull out in a panic to escape the increased losses of the new capital gains tax. Should be pretty awesome.

I also think double, triple, quadruple and then some taxation on the same thing is a pretty fair concept. We should be honored to only give up half of our dead relatives' stuff to the government, the government needs its piece of the pie too.

And for the Good Lord's sake, why haven't we had higher retirement taxes already? Everyone knows Social Security is going to take care of us anyway.

It's time to stop making the rich richer and give some back to the deserving and struggling middle class! Hillbama 2008-2024! They can swap after two terms and the prosperity can continue!



crazy talk
 
johnny010, can you not recognize manipulation when you see it? How much effort did you spend verifying the claims before you posted this? Let me guess: you just copy/paste the email forward you received. I see the sources cited at the bottom (and spotted several estimates treated as solid figures), but who is the author of the message? It this just like the email about Obama being Muslim? :rolleyes:

It's interesting how the misinformation has already changed since this first started making the rounds (for example: I notice "you will pay up to 28%" is now "you will pay 28%"). It's also interesting how the author uses maximum tax rate (which would be applied at the highest tax bracket) and calculates the impact to the lowest income bracket using the same rate.

Just for some perspective: What was the capital tax rate under Reagan?
 
Ojas, if you have better numbers, and a better explanation of what the candidates are saying, please share. I know exact #'s will be hard to pin down, considering each one of them changes his/her stance daily....

To everyone else, the above numbers are not verified.
 
Seems like people are Republicans these days just for the money...

I've been in business long enough to know any numbers can be manipulated/represented to say anything a person wants it to say.

Numbers and money aside, all I know is the US of A is a much more hated country on the world-stage than it was 8 years ago. Oh and by the way did you know every "security" reason why Bush gave to invaded Iraq were refuted by the Pentagon?
 
crazy talk

My sarcasm might be too good.

Ojas makes a valid point, the circumstances may have more of an impact than the person sitting in the office. The only one that really matters to me is the capital gains tax, it's not only key to my livelihood but also to the United States' financial markets IMO.

One thing that always boggles my mind is how someone can be more concerned with gas prices [total increase of maybe 1k per year and quite variable] than tax rates that can easily remove hundreds of thousands of dollars from your earnings over a 5-10 year period. I guess when it hits you in the face every week it becomes that much more relavent.

It's obvious this particular posting has quite a 'slant' but I'd rather have figures thrown around instead of just words, even if they are a little shady. At least figures can be debated and clarified by someone else [such as the favor Ojas has provided] and are somewhat meaningful.
 
Ojas, if you have better numbers, and a better explanation of what the candidates are saying, please share. I know exact #'s will be hard to pin down, considering each one of them changes his/her stance daily....

To everyone else, the above numbers are not verified.

Well, even if Ojas doesn't have better numbers, it doesn't mean the numbers you posted are accurate. They might be, they might not be.

If the numbers are not verified, then they are...made up?

What was the source of the information? If you have the source, we can read for ourselves and decide if we really should be worried or not.
 
This is perfect timing. I always thought our tax rates were too low. I think if we time the elections just right with the stock market's weakest point, we can have all the baby boomers pull out in a panic to escape the increased losses of the new capital gains tax. Should be pretty awesome.

I also think double, triple, quadruple and then some taxation on the same thing is a pretty fair concept. We should be honored to only give up half of our dead relatives' stuff to the government, the government needs its piece of the pie too.

And for the Good Lord's sake, why haven't we had higher retirement taxes already? Everyone knows Social Security is going to take care of us anyway.

It's time to stop making the rich richer and give some back to the deserving and struggling middle class! Hillbama 2008-2024! They can swap after two terms and the prosperity can continue!

It looks like as long as you try and make as little as possible and save none of it you should be fine. :confused: :biggrin:
 
Well, even if Ojas doesn't have better numbers, it doesn't mean the numbers you posted are accurate. They might be, they might not be.

If the numbers are not verified, then they are...made up?

What was the source of the information? If you have the source, we can read for ourselves and decide if we really should be worried or not.

It was an email that was sent to me by an investor. Is it something to stir the pot? Give a one sided opinion? There are several sources listed, feel free to check them out.

jm
 
This whole universal health care thing is ridiculous. i cannot believe the implications we face if hilla or bama emerge victorious.
 
Wake Up People!!!

Seems like people are Republicans these days just for the money...


Yes, I am a fiscal conservative. What would the opposite be? A retarded liberal? My income should belong to me, not some jack ass who smokes dope while watching TV all day only to receive a check at the end of the month.

Most of our taxes are elaborate pocket liners. :mad:
 
WW3 or lose more money in taxes. Now I'm torn.
The proposed taxes are just greedy. What do they need so much more money for.
 
Seems like people are Republicans these days just for the money...

That's funny, I was going to say the same thing about the democrats. ;)
 
The numbers are probably accurate, but the editorials between the numbers are nothing but propaganda.

The claims regarding investments, home sales and capital gains taxes are grossly misleading and inaccurate, and clearly intended to mislead and invoke fear, as are the claims regarding the inheritance tax.

Most people are not subject to capital gains taxes on the sale of their primary residence, whether at 15% or otherwise. The same is true with many retirement accounts. The inheritance tax applies to larger estates and those who don't properly structure their assets.

Yes, there will be changes, but given the current administration's complete abrogation of fiscal responsibility, to say nothing of human rights, the basic premise of the email and this thread is rather misguided.
 
well.... what do you expect? that's what happens when you just spend and spend and spend and spend.

not saying i'm for raising taxes.... but the money that we're burning right now has to come from somewhere. :tongue:

that does suck, though.... taxes are high enough right now - and we're not really getting much from the money we give the gov't

be ready for years of this crap :frown:
 
As a Canadian reading this post, I am actually chuckling to myself. I don't wish to elaborate other than this was a pretty interesting read for me.

Tim
 
Just need one checkbox on that ballot: bigger goverment

Who cares anymore.

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You find it humorous that the BIG OL' USA is in a bind?

I think he means that it is a little funny you guys are worried about increase in tax rate by a bit. I believe we canadians pay up to 49% of our income as income tax. Granted, those higher tax pays for our version of universal health care and other socialist governments services.

If that wasn't what was meant, sorry Mr. bigglez, didn't mean to put words in anyone's mouth.
 
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