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Explosions in London - possibly al Kaida?

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At least 7 blasts occured today just before 9 a.m. local time in the subway system and in busses - reports speak of many wounded people, some sources speak of 20 dead. As these explosions happenend nearly at the same time like it was some time ago in Madrid it may be a al Kaida terrorist operation.
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I hope our London members are all okay - there are some major problems with the phone net and the Internet connections in and out of London - so expect some delays when trying to reach U.K. members and websites.
 
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Ah, Crap.

Godspeed to all the Londoners and Brits out there. Be safe and know that our thoughts and prayers are with you.
 
As I drove into work this morning the news was reporting 43 dead and hundreds wounded after 4 blasts. Three in tube and one on a bus.

My thoughts and prayers are with everyone in London. My deepest condolences go out to the families of those affected.

It's really strange but seeing the pictures of that bus with the top torn off and all those poor souls so bloodied an mangled on the news this morning really brought back a huge swell of anger within me that I haven't felt since 9-11.

Al Quaeda. What a bunch of chicken crap cowards. I hope there's a special place in hell reserved for those SOB's.
 
Deadly Explosions Rock British Capital
Prime Minister Blair Calls Terror Attacks 'Barbaric'

By JANE WARDELL, AP

LONDON (July 7) - Four blasts rocked the London subway and tore open a packed double-decker bus during the morning rush hour Thursday, sending bloodied victims fleeing after what a shaken Prime Minister Tony Blair called ''barbaric'' terrorist attacks. At least 40 people were killed and more than 350 wounded.

Two U.S. law enforcement officials said at least 40 people were killed. In London, Deputy Assistant Commissioner Brian Piddick said at least 33 people were killed in the subway system alone. He confirmed there were other deaths on the bus but gave no figures. London hospital officials contacted by The Associated Press reported more than 350 wounded.

Blair said the ''terrorist attacks'' were clearly designed to coincide with the G-8 summit opening in Gleneagles, Scotland. They also came a day after London won the bid to host the 2012 Olympics. A group calling itself ''The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe'' claimed responsibility.

The explosions hit three subway stations and a double-decker bus in rapid succession between 8:30 and 9:30 a.m. local time. Implementing an emergency plan, authorities immediately shut down the subway and bus lines that log 8.4 million passenger trips every weekday. It brought the city's transportation system to a halt.

''It was chaos,'' said Gary Lewis, 32, who was evacuated from a subway train at King's Cross station. ''The one haunting image was someone whose face was totally black and pouring with blood.''

Blair, flanked by fellow G-8 leaders, including President Bush, said: ''We shall prevail and they shall not.''

Earlier, a shaken Blair said, ''Whatever they do, it is our determination that they will never succeed in destroying what we hold dear in this country and in other civilized nations throughout the world.''

He departed by helicopter back to London, but said the meeting of the world leaders would continue. The G-8 summit's agenda got sidetracked, however, and they decided to delay declarations on climate change and the global economy.

Bush warned Americans to be ''extra vigilant'' as they head to work after the deadly explosions in London. He said he had conferred with federal homeland security officials back in Washington.

Much of Europe also went on alert. Italy's airports raised alert levels to a maximum. The Czech Republic, Hungary, Russia, the Netherlands, France and Spain also were among those announcing beefed-up security at shopping centers, airports, railways and subways.


Eyewitness Acounts and Reaction


''I saw lots of people coming out covered in blood and soot. Black smoke was coming from the station. I saw several people laid out on sheets.''
-- Kibir Chibber, office worker near the Aldgate station

"The whole top of the bus and the back of it just came off."
-- Witness, bus explosion | Hear Audio

"I walked towards the wreckage, getting no closer than 100 yards. There was no noise or smoke coming from the bus, just silence.'' -- Nelson Schwartz, Fortune reporter | Full Story

"Yesterday we were quite glad that we got the Olympic bid. Today we are wondering if it was worth it.''
-- Arvind Mavji, transit worker near the Russell Square blast
Sources: AP, fortune.com

The U.N. Security Council was to meet later Thursday to address the London attacks and was expected to pass a resolution condemning the blasts, an official said.

A group calling itself ''The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe'' posted a claim of responsibility, saying the blasts were in retaliation for Britain's involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The statement also threatened attacks in Italy and Denmark. It was published on a Web site popular with Islamic militants, according to Elaph, a secular Arabic-language news Web site, and Der Spiegel magazine in Berlin, which published the text on their Web sites.

The authenticity of the statement could not be immediately confirmed, but terrorism experts said the coordinated explosions had the trademarks of the al-Qaida network.

''This is clearly an al-Qaida style attack. It was well-coordinated, it was timed for a political event and it was a multiple attack on a transportation system at rush hour,'' said Lawrence Freedman, professor of war studies at King's College in London.

European stocks dropped sharply after the blasts, with exchanges in London, Paris and Germany all down about 2 percent. Insurance and travel-related stocks were hit hard, and the British pound also fell. Gold, traditionally seen as a safe haven, rose.

The explosions also unnerved traders on Wall Street, sending stocks down sharply in morning trading.

The U.S. officials who gave the death toll spoke on condition of anonymity because British officials have yet to make the toll public. U.S. authorities learned of the number from their British counterparts, according to the official.

Officials at seven major hospitals surveyed by The Associated Press reported 358 people had been wounded, including more than 120 who were treated and released.

London Mayor Ken Livingstone said the blasts that ripped through his city were ''mass murder'' carried out by terrorists bent on ''indiscriminate ... slaughter.''

''This was not a terrorist attack against the mighty or the powerful ... it was aimed at ordinary working-class Londoners,'' said Livingstone, in Singapore where he supported London's Olympic bid. Giselle Davies, an International Olympic Committee spokeswoman, said the committee still had ''full confidence'' in London.

Jay Kumar, a business owner near the site of the blast that destroyed a double-decker bus at Russell Square in central London, said he ran out of his shop when he heard a loud explosion. He said the top deck of the bus had collapsed, sending people tumbling to the floor.

Many appeared badly injured, and bloodied people ran from the scene.

''A big blast, a big bomb,'' he told The Associated Press. ''People were running this way panicked. They knew it was a bomb. Debris flying all over, mostly glass.''

''I was on the bus in front and heard an incredible bang, I turned round and half the double decker bus was in the air,'' Belinda Seabrook told Press Association, the British news agency.

Traces of explosives were found at two explosion sites, a senior police official said. Police confirmed fatalities but had not confirmed any numbers by early afternoon.

Pope Benedict XVI deplored the ''terrorist attacks,'' calling them ''barbaric acts against humanity,'' and said he was praying for the victim's families.

Explosions were reported at the Aldgate station near the Liverpool Street railway terminal, Edgware Road and King's Cross in north London, Old Street in the financial district and Russell Square, near the British Museum.

''I saw lots of people coming out covered in blood and soot. Black smoke was coming from the station. I saw several people laid out on sheets,'' office worker Kibir Chibber, 24, said at the Aldgate subway station.

Simon Corvett, 26, on an eastbound train from Edgware Road station, described ''this massive huge bang ... It was absolutely deafening and all the windows shattered.''

''You could see the carriage opposite was completely gutted,'' he said. ''There were some people in real trouble.''

London's cell phone network was working after the explosions but was overloaded and spotty, limiting communication.
 
Cowards. Yet another strike against a civilian target. A strike that is only going to galvanise a once tepid public. Congratulations Al Quaida...you've just rallyed another nation's citizens.

That is unless the Brits follow the actions of Spain.
 
Ponyboy said:
That is unless the Brits follow the actions of Spain.

I can't see that happening, somehow.

Been a weird day, really. Came into work as normal (get in at 7.30, which is lucky), then the rest of the guys come in except for a couple who turn up late and complain about the 'bloody useless tube' again - they didn't know at this point, remember.

Then slowly but surely there's reports of 'bangs' on the tube - cue rolled eyes as people expect another tube failure (it really is that bad). And then the real news comes in. A great shock and people's phones going crazy for a while... We used to get bombed by the IRA quite a lot,remember, but this was *way* different as the IRA only bombed property (they used to warn us so people could evacuate) - these B*stards just let the people die.

The company I work for banned us from leaving the building until about 4.00pm when what passes for normality almost returned. Then people drifted home (most of the stations having reopened by then - the underground still closed).

I doubt that a stroke of work was done all day here - just surfing for news and phone calls all day.

Thanks for the messages of support - nice to know who your pals are when the chips are down..

Regards
Joe

(at work still, 5:45pm, one station away from Edgeware road :mad: :frown: )

PS: I know it's not much of a write up, but it's my day FWIW
 
POSSIBLY Al Kaida? Like you had to ask :mad: Id love to see a televisied hanging of one of the low lifes! oh and leave that black bag off their face!
 
BRIDGEWATER ACURA said:
POSSIBLY Al Kaida? Like you had to ask :mad:
At the early time when I posted this thread there was not enough evidence or proof to say it was Al Kaida in any case. And as a journalist I can't write it is Al Kaida when I'm not able to verify.

Even now Mr. Blair and others don't speak of Al Kaida, just of an islamistic group. What surprises me in that case is that none of the usual confessions came in (just an obscure confession on an unusual website with no real al Kaida connection). Normaly they are so proud of their terrorist attacks that they can't wait to confess it.
 
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NSX-Racer said:
Normaly they are so proud of their terrorist attacks that they can't wait to confess it.

This is true of other terrorist groups that claim Islam as part of their 'cause' like hamas and islamic jihad. Their press releases and responsibility claims are usually prepared ahead of time. However, Al Qaeda's major attacks in years past typically did not precede any explicit claim of responsibility. 9/11 is a good example of that.

The "Secret Group of Al Qaeda's Jihad in Europe" (couldn't they have come up with a simpler name?) who supposedly claimed todays tragedy as their doing is probably a group of Islamic extremists that adopted Al-Qaeda's m.o.

Whether or not they are truly responsible, the perpertrators (whoever they may be) are idiots and do not deserve a place in the world.
 
BrownBear said:
I can't see that happening, somehow.

Been a weird day, really. Came into work as normal (get in at 7.30, which is lucky), then the rest of the guys come in except for a couple who turn up late and complain about the 'bloody useless tube' again - they didn't know at this point, remember.

Then slowly but surely there's reports of 'bangs' on the tube - cue rolled eyes as people expect another tube failure (it really is that bad). And then the real news comes in. A great shock and people's phones going crazy for a while... We used to get bombed by the IRA quite a lot,remember, but this was *way* different as the IRA only bombed property (they used to warn us so people could evacuate) - these B*stards just let the people die.

The company I work for banned us from leaving the building until about 4.00pm when what passes for normality almost returned. Then people drifted home (most of the stations having reopened by then - the underground still closed).

I doubt that a stroke of work was done all day here - just surfing for news and phone calls all day.

Thanks for the messages of support - nice to know who your pals are when the chips are down..

Regards
Joe

(at work still, 5:45pm, one station away from Edgeware road :mad: :frown: )

PS: I know it's not much of a write up, but it's my day FWIW

Hi Joe -

I hope that you will share the fact that everyone that I have spoken with about this today here in the States (from NY to CA) is very much behind you and your country men. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

I'm still feeling so angry about all of this. Cowardly SOB's.
 
BRIDGEWATER ACURA said:
POSSIBLY Al Kaida? Like you had to ask :mad: Id love to see a televisied hanging of one of the low lifes! oh and leave that black bag off their face!
As you may have seen the 4 suspected assassins were suicide bombers and most likely british citizens. Still no proof for an Al Kaida (spelling is different in german) connection.

Of course nowadays it's not easy to say who's Al Kaida and who's not. It became some kind of a franchise company (McDonalds system) where the assassins can act with little or no connection to other groups or any kind of "center" or "brain". This makes the work even harder for the anti terror forces as the terror sources are more and more within our own countries and are not necessarily imported.
 
NeoNSX said:
They were Pakistani.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4679001.stm
But it does appear to be only a matter of time before British/American/Australian citizens sympathize with the extremists and take up their cause. :(
According to your source they were british citizens with Pakistani descent - so where was my fault? The fear you have for the future has already come true.

edit: I hope you don't think that a british citizen with Pakistani descent is something worse than a british citizen with - let's say - Glocester descent. Don't forget: most of the australian and U.S. citizens have roots or descents in other countries.
 
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Ah crap. I should have known better than to post on this thread; especially when racial issues are being discussed. :redface: I may as well just say the terrorists were zymol users and never changed their timing belts. ;)

You were right Wolfgang... I'll just keep quiet now. :)
 
No problem, Neo. :smile:
So let's return to the facts: 3 of the 4 assassins were born and raised in U.K. but there was and is an al Kaida connnection - that's at least what the british government just said officialy. One was just reported as Jamaican.

edit: Updated info
 
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it's all good!

Giuseppe, have a grande' time in good ol' London! :cool:

Man, I really miss that place... I'm gonna try to make trip out there again hopefully before years end!

[attached image is all in good humour! Laughter promotes peace, forgiveness, and increased h.p.! :biggrin: (god-bless all those who are in this struggle against terror anywhere for those whom they may have lost)]
 

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You should be ok - London is the most secure I've ever seen it..You stand very little chance of anything nasty happening to you (I'd guess most of the petty criminals are also having a break considering there's about 3000 police out on the streets most days in central london).

London is still the same - just exercise a little caution (which is good advice for any large city). It'll be fine.

Come see us when you're there... ;)
 
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