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F355? or C6 Z06?

Which would you buy?

  • F355

    Votes: 55 67.9%
  • C6 Z06

    Votes: 26 32.1%

  • Total voters
    81
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So I'm finally ready to put cash down and buy a new toy. Trouble is I cant decide...

I've always wanted the 355, but never seriously thought about owning one. Up until a few weeks ago I was very set on buying a new Z06, but now that the 355 is within budget, I'm at the crossroads. Both are amazing cars. The Z06 has all the performance/technology and the Ferrari is... a Ferrari. Every car enthusiats dream, right?

anyway, opinions would be nice. And yes, cost of insurance and repair/maintenance do make a difference if the numbers are significantly higher in one car than the other. I assume the Ferrari will cost more, but how much more? Reliability? My cars will not be garage queens and I DO expect to DRIVE them at least 5-10k/year.

-thanx in advance!
 
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Even though the F355 and C6 Z06 are in similar price ranges, did you consider the cost of ownership of both? The 355 will have a hefty yearly maintenance bill while the Z06 will just be a fraction. However the Z06 will depreciate lots more (assuming the car will be sold after a few years). So...if short term cars, they're both toss ups, with the Z06 being the better performer and the Ferrari being the better sounding and head turning. Long term, the Ferrari will take deep pockets while the Z06 will only lose value.
 
The Ferrari looks cooler parked in your garage.

At some point in your life you just got to buy that Rolex...just to check that box off the "to do before I die" list.

The vette will always be there...heck the damn C7 is almost out and it's gonna be as good as a Z06...so don't bother.
 
You have to ask yourself if your going for pure performance or looks??? Hands down.. the Performance goes to the new z06 but if your going for looks.. definitely the f355. Dont get me wrong, the f355 performs great but the z06 is in a different league. It competes with the f430 and other supercars out there. If it was me, I'll pick the f355 spyder because of th sound and looks.:smile:
 
355 for sure, like taking the NSX over WRX or 350Z, it is just in a different league. Good luck.
 
100% F355, but you will just NOT be able to drive it 10k a year....not without major problems....but are you planning on daily driving it!?!
 
100% F355, but you will just NOT be able to drive it 10k a year....not without major problems....but are you planning on daily driving it!?!

Dude, Z06 will probably be in the same boat too. The only benefit is it will be under warrente. F355 for the hell of it, it's a Ferrari.
 
people love to exaggerate about Ferrari maintenance, even though they never owned one. how often have you heard that a timing belt change costs $10k? :rolleyes: or an engine rebuild costs $30k? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

these types of second hand stories scare off many potential buyers.

it's going to cost you more than owning an NSX, but what car doesn't?
 
Dude, Z06 will probably be in the same boat too. The only benefit is it will be under warrente. F355 for the hell of it, it's a Ferrari.

Corvette's can do over 100k just as any modern chevy can (just barely though:biggrin: ). A F355 over 100k miles? I've never seen it.

But id still like to see how you plan on driving a Ferrari 10k a year....even if you drove the car 100 miles every weekend, thats only 5600 miles.
 
minervoflorida said:
Do the research, it is for real.
Go the the Ferrari forum and check it out.

I researched before buying my 328GTS and 355GTS. Anyone who paid $10k for a 355 timing belt is out of his mind. My local dealer quoted me $6k for a full major.


Corvette's can do over 100k just as any modern chevy can (just barely though:biggrin: ). A F355 over 100k miles? I've never seen it.

Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean they are not capable of it. Unfortunately there are many disconnected odometers and rollbacks. more unfortunate is owners who keep them as garage queens.
 
Man, that's a tough choice. There are a couple of each in my neighborhood and I watch as each drives by.

If it were me, I'd choose the 355 - I've always been a Ferrari fan. I don't think there's a better sounding Ferrari or a better Ferrari value (except maybe the 456s) than the 355. IIRC, the 97+ are the ones to get though.

Good luck in w/ your choice - you really can't wrong w/ either one.
 
You can always own a performance vehicle like a vette down the line, but to say you've owned a Ferrari is totally different. Sure you'll love the speed of the vette but how often will you really get a chance to drive it to its full potential. Every time I see a Ferrari I can't help but look until it's out of my sight. I see vettes everyday, and while respectable, they just aren't as special. Being a car guy you absolutely have to experience what I'm guessing is one of the most uplifting car ownership experiences. To feel you've made it, to feel you're a star, that's gotta be priceless.
 
100% F355, but you will just NOT be able to drive it 10k a year....not without major problems....but are you planning on daily driving it!?!

It is possible. I don't know if he's done quite 10k miles a year, but MYNSX has had his F355 for about 3 years now and does drive it quite a bit and has racked up some miles on it for sure without major problems.

Even though it is starting to be a little dated, I too hope to have a F355 at some point. Just an absolutely gorgeous, iconic car.
 
I've read every single one of Doug Hayashi's stories on nsxfiles.com, and the costs of maintaining the F355 are scary even to him.... of course he still hasn't had the heart to sell the car :).

Here's some excerpts:
Fabryce from GMG gives me a call, and say it will cost $4100 to fix the leaks/parking brake/rear hatch struts on the F355. OUCH! I ask him if that includes labor, and he says, "No, that is parts only". They have to drop the motor, replace the F1 tranny seals and seals on the motor. Since they are dropping the motor, he suggests that they also do the timing belt, blah blah blah. ARRRGH! Labor will be another $4500 or so. I might have to get financing from Brett to get my damn car outta the shop! Dammit, it is going to cost the equivalent of two new Tony Krypton chassis to fix it properly. Or another way to look at it, about 50 sets of shifter kart slicks. I can't take it anymore. I tell them to do the service, fix it real good, and then that car is outta my life. I'm finally going to sell it. I don't car if it is a cool looking car, and that the exhaust note is even cooler, this is ridiculous. Messley sent me an article, "Can You Afford to Drive a Ferrari?". The answer for me is no. After this major service, it is costing me at least $7 a mile in maintenance costs to drive the car for the past year. So a round trip drive from my house to Moran costs about $1050 in maintenance. I could probably fly back and forth in a helicopter cheaper, or maybe even a Lear Jet.

So my current plan is to sell the car, as cool as it is, for say $80,000, and buy something British. Whoever buys the F355 will probably get lucky with the maintenance cost for a year or two, since I've put $12,000 in repairs over the past year or so. They can probably get by with $1 a mile for maintenance costs. Buy my car, drive it for a year, and then sell it before another major servicing is done! Experience the Ferrari Dream before the Ferrari Servicing Nightmare catches up to you.
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The F355 was almost fixed. It went two blocks before it didn't downshift into 2nd or 1st. It's back at the repair shop. I wonder if Karma has the F355 and my shifter kart Raceflais woes linked together. Maybe if the F355 gets fixed, the black cloud over my shifter kart will go away? Hummm.....
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In early April, it seems that Wayne's car started to overheat a bit, and one of the warning lights was lighting up on the dash. Since he has another month or so left on his two year warranty, he takes it immediately into the dealer to get fixed. The dealer checks it out and determines that it is one of the cooling fans that is not coming on, which seems to be the cause of the warning light. The dealer also notices that a small amount of oil is leaking from the motor onto some of the belts. The dealer want to make sure everything is okay in the engine, and this oil leak is from a suspicious place. Which means they have to pull the motor out of the car. His car has only 14,000 miles on it. He has never taken it to the racetrack. The dealer checks everything out, and also does Wayne a favor by doing the 30,000 mile service at the same time for a greatly reduced cost, since the motor is out. A 30,000 mile checkup normally means they change the timing belt. So I guess this means that a 30,000 mile service is $5000 or so. But instead of crying tears over the car, we crackup laughing about it. Remember, we both "married" the same type of lingerie model described above. We are used to it, we expected it, we live with it. We have conditioned ourselves to not get upset about the maintenance on these cars. We support each other in our co-dependencies with these cars. It is the price you pay for a good time.

My car went in for the 15,000 mile checkup. Cost for this check up is $1500. Ouch! Wayne was driving my car around before the checkup, and he noticed a slight "clunking" sound that you can hear when you turn the wheel from left to right, and the car is stationary. He is worried about this, since we drive these cars within an inch of their lives, and if the steering rack should somehow fail, we would be in deep shit. The Ferrari dealer checked it out, and concurred that something didn't seem quite right. So they graciously replaced the rack under warranty. Whew, I would hate to see how much that would have cost. Wayne cracks up about this. I laugh about it to. We are expect weird stuff to happen.
 
Cost of Ferrari, better have deep pockets, TONS more than NSX, I mean tons more.

Can You Afford to Drive a Ferrari?

Cheaper than a jet, but more than a Jetta
Only weeks into ownership, the 30,000-mile service was repeated and the front shocks were replaced, for a total of $6,196.57

By Michael Sheehan

Answering daily phone calls and emails provides a never-ending supply of topics on which to pontificate. The "real-world" cost to drive a late model Ferrari is one of the more frequent questions I'm asked.

I recently sold an unusually well-documented 1998 550 Maranello, S/N 111317, with 36,200 miles to a client in the jet aircraft industry, and comparisons between Ferrari and jet costs inspired this column. Like a private jet that requires three to four hours of maintenance for every hour of flight time, Ferraris are not cheap to own.

FIRST TWO YEARS ALMOST FREE

550 Ferrari S/N 111317 was sold new on March 19, 1998, at $225,000, to a wealthy Santa Monica real estate investor and used for weekend retreats to his ranch in Ojai, a 150-plus-mile round trip. Thanks to an unlimited mileage warranty, the first two years were relatively expense free.

The first bite came in August 2000, five months after the warranty expired. At 13,637 miles, the owner brought the car in for a 15,000-mile service, two rear tires, and an oil, filter, and coolant change for $2,665.70. Two months later, in October, at 17,220 miles, noisy cam belts and bearings were replaced at no cost (thanks to a warranty extension by Ferrari). The windshield washer reservoir was also replaced for $529.25. A month later, in November, at 17,618 miles, the front spoiler and three wheels were refinished because of road-rash, at $1,285. Total for the first year out of warranty, and about 4,000 miles: $4,479.95, or $1.12 per mile.

As 2001 rolled around, in January, at 18,124 miles, two ball joints and sway bar bushings were replaced at $253.47, a standard procedure for a heavy, high performance, front-engined car with power steering. Three months later, in April, at 18,998 miles, a coolant leak, new front tires, another repaint of the wheels, and a detail added $2,718 to the ongoing maintenance bill.

A few days later, at 19,002 miles, the check engine light came on and an O2 sensor was replaced at $261.31. A month later, in late May, at 19,329 miles, the dash pod had to come out for an instrument panel repair, at $1,290.18. Five months and 1,289 miles later, in early October, at 20,618 miles, an annual oil and filter service and new rear tires added $2,386.60 to the expense column.

$8,988 FOR SECOND YEAR OUT OF WARRANTY

In December 2001, a service at 21,358 miles for dash lights, rattles, and a radiator R & R for coolant leaks closed the year out at $2,078.82. Total for the second year out of warranty, and another 3,740 miles: $8,988.38, or $2.40 a mile.

In January 2002, at 21,966 miles, the owner had the battery replaced, new suspension bushings installed, and a wheel alignment for $1,228.35. In March, at 22,956 miles, the license plate frame was replaced for $124.99, and in May, at 23,802 miles, the power steering pump was replaced and the fluids serviced, at $500.95.

Four months and 2,657 miles later, in September, at 25,607 miles, the steering box, power steering rack, and rear shocks were replaced, and the wheels were aligned for $8,641.69. The year ended at 26,236 miles, with a compression and leakdown problem discovered in late December at the 30,000-mile service. New cam belts, engine mounts, and a valve job followed, with all 24 valves and valve guides replaced at $7,954.66. Fortunately for the owner, Ferrari supplied the valves and guides under an extended warranty. Another year, another 4,878 miles, adding up to $18,450.64, or $3.78 a mile.

TOYOTA MONEY: 37 CENTS PER MILE

The Ferrari gods were smiling in 2003, with only 672 miles added and one service for hood shocks, in March, at 26,908 miles. Cost of ownership was only $249.38. Little use means no visits to ever-vigilant Ferrari mechanics, who point out problems that need to be resolved. This year cost Toyota money—just 37 cents per mile. Of course, there weren't many miles driven either.

In 2004, 550 S/N 111317 saw little use, but frequent visits to the service center, beginning in January, at 31,688 miles, for a seat control switch and wiper blades at $1,366.43.

A week later, in early February, at 31,860 miles, sway bar bushings were replaced at $208.63. In late February, at 32,035 miles, the handbrake shoes and rear brake rotors were replaced and four new tires were fitted, at $3,365.79. In early March, at 32,122 miles, a coolant leak added $903.21 to the annual cost. Another year, another 5,214 miles, another $5,844.06. The cost per mile, $1.12.

In late December 2004, Ferrari 550 S/N 111317 moved on to her second owner, for $90,000, and no service bills were added to the year. A real estate investor and self-confessed "Porsche guy," the second owner had always wanted a Ferrari and bought the 550 simply because he knew the car through the original owner.

Only weeks into Ferrari ownership, in January 2005, at 32,945 miles, a 30,000-mile service was again done, under the "while-you're-at-it" theory, because of oil leaks. The front shocks were also replaced, at $6,196.57. Only weeks later, the second owner also had the nose repainted, and his 550 "personalized" with the front fenders modified for fender shields and the calipers redone in yellow, at $7,759.70.

NOT FOR THE TIMID: $10.27 PER MILE

A month later, in March, the steering wheel was recovered for $450, and in April the windows were tinted and a "clear bra" installed for $935. Only weeks later, the owner continued to personalize his 550 with a Tubi Exhaust for $3,155.94. In August, at 34,235 miles, the oil hoses and other minor items were replaced, at $3,194.44. Total mileage for the second owner: 2,113 miles and $21,691.65. Most of this work was pure pride-of-ownership personalization, but the financially timid need not apply, as the cost per mile, at $10.27 per mile, was approaching that of an M1 tank.

As 2006 rolled in, our second owner next had a new clutch installed, in January, at 35,625 miles, for $4,852.59. After sitting for six months, the second owner decided that he really was a "Porsche guy" at heart. The 550 was too big for his tastes and so, in August, 550 Ferrari S/N 111317 was picked up from his home and dropped off for an a/c service, at 36,196 miles, for $519.40. Cost of ownership for the second owner, for 2006: 1,961 miles at $5,371.99, or $2.73 per mile.

In August 2006, our subject 550 was again sold for $90,000, with 36,196 miles, to the third owner, the president of a corporate jet maintenance and sales company. During the pre-purchase, an oil leak was found, and while the estimate was $3,000, the final bill was $1,582.58. The third owner appreciated the subtle lines and wanted a user-friendly Ferrari that could be driven daily in New York weather and traffic.

A long-time Ferrari owner, he appreciated that virtually all of the depreciation was reflected in the purchase price and that at 36,000 miles, adding mileage wouldn't kill the value. His last toy was a new Porsche Turbo at $160,000, and while it had been nice to order a car exactly as he wanted, the depreciation wasn't worth the thrill when he sold it after three years for $95,000.

The warranty on 550 S/N 111317 ran out in March, 2000, at about 13,500 miles. Our subject 550 went to the third owner in September 2006 at 36,200 miles, so the total miles out of warranty was 22,700 miles, with a total spent of $65,760.50, or $2.90 a mile, right at $11,000 a year.

Ferrari ownership is both a lifestyle and a socio-economic statement, just as owning a polo pony is a different venture than keeping a draught horse. As one former owner of S/N 111317 put it, "I spend more than that on crap on eBay every year." No other statement quite sums up the difference between those who lust for a Ferrari from those who can pay the price of ownership.

MICHAEL SHEEHAN has been a Ferrari broker and race car driver for 30 years.
 
Oh god not the Sheehan article again.:rolleyes: That article is completely worthless. He adds the costs of mods into the equation. What an idiot!!!

F355 vs. Z06. Hmm, that is a complete toss up. The cost of ownership will probably be the same. The Ferrari will be more expensive to maintain but the Corvette will deprecaite more and the tires are expensive($1600/set). So go with your heart. Personally I find the F355 to be more beautiful than the F360 or the F430. Unforutantely, F355 is not in the same league as F360 quality or F430 quality.

A good estimate of cost of ownership:
1. F355 - $1.50/mile - this includes tires, oil, gas, tune ups.
2. F360 - $1.00/mile.
3. F430 - $0.75 - $.80 per mile.
 
def go with the 355. You pretty much get the same feel behind the wheel as with an NSX. The exhaust tone mated with a Tubi is to die for. My brother has owned his 95 355 since 99 and has had no major issues beyond maintanance and wear & tear. T belt service around here at an experienced F-car mech runs about $6k. Find a local mech who has experience with these cars. The dealer will bend you over and still at times due half a** jobs. Just make sure its has been well taken care of. I have driven in a C6 ZO6 and yes they are fast but the feel is too bland for my taste. There are faster cars than the NSX but the feedback they give cannot be compared to an NSX. Its one of those types of situations :smile: IMO.
 
If you are going to track it... Z06 hands down. The track is the only reason to buy a Z06, as I wouldn't want to be seen in town driving around a Vette - think of it like the 280 lb blind date your friends fixed you up with as a joke.

The 355 I would drive around town, but would never take to the track... as you probably wouldn't even make there without breaking down.
 
In my opinion the 355 is one of the sexiest cars built to this day. Also I think its the nicest sounding car produced. Much better than the 360. The Z06 would be cool if you want to have to wave to another 5 vette owners everytime you pass one everyday you take it out.
 
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