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I'm now an official NSX Specialist, just got back from Ohio...

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Well, I just got back from Ohio. I was at the TRC Track for training and to drive the new NSX! I don't know where to begin. As an NSX Fanatic and owner this was definitely one of the coolest things I've ever done. I flew to Ohio on Monday and on Tuesday at 6 am when went by bus to the TRC testing center. I think we went here back in 2004 for NSXPO. Sadly I have no pictures as we were searched before we got on the bus. We weren't allowed cameras or phones. Although the track is owned by Honda, they rent it out to other manufactures for testing and they didn't want anything being leaked. I did see a couple camouflaged cars but nothing interesting.

The day was split into several sessions. The morning was classroom time, we were taught all about the car and the technology, the type of sales process Acura expects, the type of client who might buy one, the actual delivery of the car, and everything else you can imagine. The car is packed with new technology, think Porsche 918 but for 1/8 the price. The TMU or twin motors for the power drive unit, the first time twin turbos have been used by Honda. The Sport Hybrid system is amazing-connecting to the crankshaft to provide instant power, engine layout and why it's a dry sump unit. They also showed alot of videos by Jason Widmer, one of the lead project engineers on why they built the car the way they did. IDS-simply amazing and the launch control is insane. Although they haven't releases official wording on how it will effect warranty coverage due to repeated usage.

The key emphasis on the car was changing the way the supercar has been built. The car is built around the human, and has the driver in mind in every aspect. He described how he built one car that can take the place of having 4 supercars in your garage. The quiet mode is really cool. Imagine starting the car in your garage and not waking up your neighborhood.

Then we ate lunch and then the drive. First we started with the current Acura lineup, just to learn the track. They had pro race car driver there to assist. The surprise of the day was the RLX Sport Hybrid, a limited production car that no one even knows about. I think they make around 500 a years or so. I know we sold one new and one used one but really never paid much attention to the car. I drive a FWD RLX Advance model and while I do enjoy that car, this Sport Hybrid is insane. Supposedly in 2018 they will be more of them produced as it will share similar components to the MDX Sport Hybrid. I slid this thing around the road course with ease, as it downshifted and charged ahead and with amazing power. A car that should be on everyones must drive list.

Then the NSX, what can I say? I've driven everything and anything and can honestly say this is the most amazing car I've ever driven. The power is immediate and endless, traction and weight distribution as perfect as it gets. All the cars there were equipped with the Carbon Ceramic brakes and after a gazillion laps of people destroying these cars, did not produce even an ounce of brake fade, very little dust and little noise; Amazing and definitely worth the money. The pedal feel due to the electro-servo assist brakes was very responsive. The car also has a Agile Handling assist feature to generate a yaw moment that supports the driver's steering down the apex. One of the pro drivers said it best, if you crash this car, you pretty much did everything possible to do it. Its the definition of point and shoot! The car goes exactly where you want it to. The coolest thing was the pace in which the students were turning laps vs the hot laps by the the instructors. By no means am I saying we were pro's but they werent soooo much faster than we were and that was the goal. This was the goal, they want a human centered car that anyone and everyone can drive. They had a 911 Turbo S there for us to drive by comparison, and while the car was lightning quick, probably just as fast as the NSX or faster it didnt deliver the other all experience like the NSX did. Acura has created the next generation of supercars.

Needless to say, I can go on and on but I'm not much of a writer and would be happier to answer specific questions if you have them. I was one the fence about getting one before I went, lets just say this is my next purchase with a doubt!
 
Thanks for the "really good day on the job" summary. I wish someone would pay me to play with NSXs.

ok, on to the questions

which other dealerships had folks there when you were
did they get into production stuff like how many cars they will actually build in a year, including daily/weekly production rates
was the market adjustment/dealers favoring themselves, friends and family stuff discussed
who is the target customer per Acura
does the car need any pdi at the dealership or could the truck just pull up at my building and roll the car off to me
any details on trucking from the factory, ex. 1 car per truck or more
what swag will the owners receive
did you see an owner's manual
any instrument measured performance info provided
how come they went with such a limited and conservative color palette, super cars are supposed to look crazy
how will the delivery process work, ex 60 minutes of orientation including time on the street
is Acura going to put someone in place to be an NSX concierge for customers
how many dealerships in the us signed up for the NSX program
of the orders placed so far, what trends are being seen, I am guessing many of the cars are being loaded up with CF options
how many VIP, product placement cars are in the first allocation
when will Acura provide target production dates for ordered cars
 
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Thanks for the "really good day on the job" summary. I wish someone would pay me to play with NSXs.

ok, on to the questions

which other dealerships had folks there when you were

No clue, I'd assume whatever dealerships that are authorized to sell or service NSX's sent a rep there. I was one of the only Upper Management perosnal there, along with a few Dealer Principals and Owners.

did they get into production stuff like how many cars they will actually build in a year, including daily/weekly production rates

No set production numbers discussed, but they did say it should take a full day to build one car. Paint process alone take roughly 14 hours.

was the market adjustment/dealers favoring themselves, friends and family stuff discussed

Not sure what this means?

who is the target customer per Acura

No set demographic, obviously the client buying a $200k Super car is well off. They will most likely hav 3 other supercars and might be new to the Acura brand.

does the car need any pdi at the dealership or could the truck just pull up at my building and roll the car off to me

Motors are broken in and tested prior to being installed, you can technically take one off a truck and onto a racetrack they said. Im sure it will need the usual PDI process to ensure everything is good to go.

any details on trucking from the factory, ex. 1 car per truck or more

Not sure, I think they said the trucks will be specifially designated for NSX's so chances are they wont be shared with ILX/TLX deliveries.

what swag will the owners receive

Nothing that I know of.

did you see an owner's manual

Owners Manual isnt finished yet.

any instrument measured performance info provided
 
Thank you sir

my salesperson got back from Ohio last night and once he provides his summary I will share his experience

he was confident that I will love the car
 
Well, I just got back from Ohio. I was at the TRC Track for training and to drive the new NSX!

Great stuff. Thanks so much for sharing. Any additional thoughts or details would be awesome.

I'd love to hear more about the back-to-back comparison with the 911 Turbo. What were the pros/cons of each? Did you compare notes on this with others there who also had experience driving high performance cars?

Any interesting "selling points" they were teaching for dealing with a customer cross-shopping the NSX against other competitive cars?

Thanks again!
 
What an amazing time. Thank you for giving us a glimpse into the inner workings of the sales education process, as well as your insight into the car.
The car sounds like a real winner.
Which 911 Turbo was there? The most current model? Can you give more information on your impressions between the two? What was it lacking that the NSX did not?
 
What an amazing time. Thank you for giving us a glimpse into the inner workings of the sales education process, as well as your insight into the car.
The car sounds like a real winner.
Which 911 Turbo was there? The most current model? Can you give more information on your impressions between the two? What was it lacking that the NSX did not?

It was a 2015 Turbo S Cab, the 16 has another 20-30 hp if I recall. The NSX was so much more stable than the 911, the mid engine platform performs so much better at speed. I have a 911 Turbo, older one at that but the layout is the same. Tough to decide which one I liked better, the 911 is considered the pinnacle of the everyday super car. Thing is wicked, wicked quick. I'd give the nod to the NSX based on my personal love affair with the car and the fact it looks more exotic. They were supposed to have an R8 there too but someone smacked it up a few weeks earlier, again this was what I was told.
 
Thanks for your quick response. I too have an older modified 911 Turbo, and so appreciate your insight. Mine definitely feels stable, so I can only imagine how much better the new NSX must handle in comparison.
 
Well, I just got back from Ohio. I was at the TRC Track for training and to drive the new NSX! I don't know where to begin. As an NSX Fanatic and owner this was definitely one of the coolest things I've ever done. I flew to Ohio on Monday and on Tuesday at 6 am when went by bus to the TRC testing center. I think we went here back in 2004 for NSXPO. Sadly I have no pictures as we were searched before we got on the bus. We weren't allowed cameras or phones. Although the track is owned by Honda, they rent it out to other manufactures for testing and they didn't want anything being leaked. I did see a couple camouflaged cars but nothing interesting.

The day was split into several sessions. The morning was classroom time, we were taught all about the car and the technology, the type of sales process Acura expects, the type of client who might buy one, the actual delivery of the car, and everything else you can imagine. The car is packed with new technology, think Porsche 918 but for 1/8 the price. The TMU or twin motors for the power drive unit, the first time twin turbos have been used by Honda. The Sport Hybrid system is amazing-connecting to the crankshaft to provide instant power, engine layout and why it's a dry sump unit. They also showed alot of videos by Jason Widmer, one of the lead project engineers on why they built the car the way they did. IDS-simply amazing and the launch control is insane. Although they haven't releases official wording on how it will effect warranty coverage due to repeated usage.

The key emphasis on the car was changing the way the supercar has been built. The car is built around the human, and has the driver in mind in every aspect. He described how he built one car that can take the place of having 4 supercars in your garage. The quiet mode is really cool. Imagine starting the car in your garage and not waking up your neighborhood.

Then we ate lunch and then the drive. First we started with the current Acura lineup, just to learn the track. They had pro race car driver there to assist. The surprise of the day was the RLX Sport Hybrid, a limited production car that no one even knows about. I think they make around 500 a years or so. I know we sold one new and one used one but really never paid much attention to the car. I drive a FWD RLX Advance model and while I do enjoy that car, this Sport Hybrid is insane. Supposedly in 2018 they will be more of them produced as it will share similar components to the MDX Sport Hybrid. I slid this thing around the road course with ease, as it downshifted and charged ahead and with amazing power. A car that should be on everyones must drive list.

Then the NSX, what can I say? I've driven everything and anything and can honestly say this is the most amazing car I've ever driven. The power is immediate and endless, traction and weight distribution as perfect as it gets. All the cars there were equipped with the Carbon Ceramic brakes and after a gazillion laps of people destroying these cars, did not produce even an ounce of brake fade, very little dust and little noise; Amazing and definitely worth the money. The pedal feel due to the electro-servo assist brakes was very responsive. The car also has a Agile Handling assist feature to generate a yaw moment that supports the driver's steering down the apex. One of the pro drivers said it best, if you crash this car, you pretty much did everything possible to do it. Its the definition of point and shoot! The car goes exactly where you want it to. The coolest thing was the pace in which the students were turning laps vs the hot laps by the the instructors. By no means am I saying we were pro's but they werent soooo much faster than we were and that was the goal. This was the goal, they want a human centered car that anyone and everyone can drive. They had a 911 Turbo S there for us to drive by comparison, and while the car was lightning quick, probably just as fast as the NSX or faster it didnt deliver the other all experience like the NSX did. Acura has created the next generation of supercars.

Needless to say, I can go on and on but I'm not much of a writer and would be happier to answer specific questions if you have them. I was one the fence about getting one before I went, lets just say this is my next purchase with a doubt!


Will Acura start the production for the NSX on May 13th?
 
They didn't say when production will start.
 
Thanks Mike.I think demand will outstrip supply in the next 2 years.Btw what tires were the track cars on?
 
Is there anything more you can say that can help people understand your non-biased opinion? I know some will say... "but he plans to sell the car", which in today's world of objective adults seems kind of lame but I know these folks exists and it would be nice to address them to the best extent possible. I get this ALL THE TIME... Most think i'm a fan of the new NSX because I own the old one. That's not the reason i'm a fan of the new NSX at all.
 
Thanks Mike.I think demand will outstrip supply in the next 2 years.Btw what tires were the track cars on?

They all had the Continentals, and they handled great.
 
I assume that you were driving here: http://www.trcpg.com/facility-tour/dynamic-handling-course.aspx ?

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Is there anything more you can say that can help people understand your non-biased opinion? I know some will say... "but he plans to sell the car", which in today's world of objective adults seems kind of lame but I know these folks exists and it would be nice to address them to the best extent possible. I get this ALL THE TIME... Most think i'm a fan of the new NSX because I own the old one. That's not the reason i'm a fan of the new NSX at all.

What is there not to like? Car is a beast, all around animal. If I had to get critical, i'd like more options for colors and options and of course a lower price but nothing we can do about that.

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Yep, that's it
 
Did they mention why they excluded other safety/convenience options that can be found on the Civic or the Accord? For example, radar adaptive cruise control, lane keep assist, lane change assist, etc? It just seems like they would have included these features in the flagship.
 
Did they mention why they excluded other safety/convenience options that can be found on the Civic or the Accord? For example, radar adaptive cruise control, lane keep assist, lane change assist, etc? It just seems like they would have included these features in the flagship.

That's a question for corporate? Not sure why this always seems to happen like that. I can only assume to save weight.
 
Were you able to see every color option? And if so, what was your favorite exterior/interior color combo? Also, any concerns about ground clearance? 3.7 inches seems pretty low for every day driving -- but sounds like you were only on the track...
 
As far as the colors go, the Andaro paint colors are sick. The average paint reflects 30% of the sun, these do roughly 80%. Sadly it was a cloudy day but you could still tell the depth and luster. I was hoping to see the Polished wheel option but none of the cars had them. I did get to see the CF accessory rims, interesting-but I'm not into it. They had most of the colors, although they didnt have the 130R white or the Curva. Those two colors are part of the "heritage collection" along with Berlina Black.

Also on a side note, while watching a video about the paint process, the engineer in charge of paint actually slips and refers to it as "green".
 
Were you able to evaluate the 2 different stereos

did you get to use launch control

I didn't use it the launch control, but I hammered it in TRACK mode repeatedly from a stand still, insane. To activate it, you hold the IDS knob to the right for 4 seconds once your in Track mode. I messed around the stereo a bit, mostly with the Car Play feature but needless to say, I didn't feel 'bumping" the radio was appropriate.
 
Insane, even relative to the 911 Turbo S?

Again, the 911 is wicked quick too. Statistically, I'd imagine the 911 is quicker but the TMU/Hybrid assist and the sound gives the impression of the NSX being faster. Like I have said, the 911 Turbo is considered by many to be the benchmark of what an every day super car is. We are talking about a car that can record 2.5/2.6 0-60 times. Tough to compete against it.
 
As far as the colors go, the Andaro paint colors are sick. The average paint reflects 30% of the sun, these do roughly 80%. Sadly it was a cloudy day but you could still tell the depth and luster. I was hoping to see the Polished wheel option but none of the cars had them. I did get to see the CF accessory rims, interesting-but I'm not into it. They had most of the colors, although they didnt have the 130R white or the Curva. Those two colors are part of the "heritage collection" along with Berlina Black.

Also on a side note, while watching a video about the paint process, the engineer in charge of paint actually slips and refers to it as "green".


Interesting that they actually referred to the Nord Gray as green. I actually ordered Nord Gray with Saddle interior but pretty sure I still have time to change it before it locks. But I also like the green hue as long as it is not overly green in real life. Anyway, thanks for all of your insights. Now I'm even more excited about the NSX2...
 
Interesting that they actually referred to the Nord Gray as green. I actually ordered Nord Gray with Saddle interior but pretty sure I still have time to change it before it locks. But I also like the green hue as long as it is not overly green in real life. Anyway, thanks for all of your insights. Now I'm even more excited about the NSX2...

Far from very green, it was paired with the Y Spoke wheels and actually looked pretty interesting. Very cool color. None of the cars had saddle interiors, Altough I'm sure it looks good. The Berlina Black car had 27k miles and was torn apart and put back together several times, still drove like new too. One thing that did alarm me was the wear on the red bolster but I suppose hundreds if not thousands of people getting in and out of there will do that.
 
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