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I'm curious why you are anti-McCain.
I don't like McCain but I despise the socialist agenda that Obama is pushing.
America is f*8ked either way, but Obama will really screw the hard working folks.
As a WN pilot who makes over $100k per year, you will be impacted by the socialist agenda by Obama.
This reminds me of the red revolution in China where all intellectuals and property owners were deemed to be greedy pigs who were then pushed by revolutionist students who marched against them. In this society it appears the rich (those who took risks and got rewarded) are now the evil scum of society and deserve to be taxed to the limit to support the poor. This chills me, even though I am far from being rich.
I don't like McCain but I despise the socialist agenda that Obama is pushing.
America is f*8ked either way, but Obama will really screw the hard working folks.
As a WN pilot who makes over $100k per year, you will be impacted by the socialist agenda by Obama.
This reminds me of the red revolution in China where all intellectuals and property owners were deemed to be greedy pigs who were then pushed by revolutionist students who marched against them. In this society it appears the rich (those who took risks and got rewarded) are now the evil scum of society and deserve to be taxed to the limit to support the poor. This chills me, even though I am far from being rich.
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That photoshop of Obama is amazing 
That photoshop of Obama is amazing
Who says it's a Photoshop? :biggrin: Ha!
From the New Times Az magazine.
If you want to know what it's like to be a veteran in John McCain's home state, stop by the Justa Center in downtown Phoenix.
Jamie Peachey
Iraq veteran Andrew Vera
Associated Press
His fame’s based on his POW status, but Senator John McCain’s made a point of voting against fellow veterans.
Details:
Read decades of coverage in Vintage McCain.
Subject(s):
John McCain and veterans issuesOn a Thursday morning not long ago, a volunteer named Twyla stands in front of a group of clients at Justa, a day program for homeless seniors, explaining what she's brought from the food bank.
"I hope that those of you who don't have many teeth, that you'll be okay with the salad," she says, adding that she's also brought blueberry pomegranate juice. "And cake for dessert!"
Scott Ritchey rolls his eyes good-naturedly as he passes through the room, where the fluorescent light doesn't do any favors for the dirty linoleum and the worn-out, mismatched couches. For the past three years, this decrepit little building near the Arizona Capitol has been a godsend for about 100 homeless seniors who have nothing to do with their days, after waking up at the nearby shelter.
On any given day, about half the participants are veterans.
There's a special unit reserved for veterans at the shelter, but the waiting list is long, so many vets sleep in a parking lot euphemistically called "the overflow." Justa gives them a mailing address, a place to shower, access to the Internet and phone, lockers to store their belongings.
When Ritchey, a Methodist minister, started the program — which operates on about $260,000 a year, all private donations — one of the first things he did was call the local office of the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to get some help for the vets.
It took a year for anyone to show up. And in three years, Ritchey says, the VA has yet to place a single Justa Center vet in housing. There are programs in town that offer housing for veterans, but they've got to prove they're employed.
"You're 82 years old. You don't need to work," Ritchey says.
Almost all his clients have diabetes; many have dementia. Add untreated depression and post-traumatic stress disorder and you have a bad situation, particularly when you have to battle the VA's bureaucracy. Ritchey regularly finds vets napping on the floor by the Coke machine; the sleeping area is too dark and claustrophobic, they tell him.
He recalls one client who needed open-heart surgery. The VA scheduled a doctor's appointment in Tucson, two hours away, and advised the homeless man to rent a car to drive down and spend the night in a hotel. Ritchey intervened and got the man to Tucson; he hasn't heard from him since.
Ritchey's careful not to place direct blame on the VA, which he describes as "underfunded, understaffed, and overwhelmed," but he's clearly frustrated.
Michole Felder, a job counselor at Justa, isn't as careful. He looks over at Ritchey and asks, "Can I be honest?" Ritchey nods.
"The VA doesn't do shit," Felder says. In three years, he doesn't know of a vet who's gotten a job placement through the agency.
Bobby Collins, 59, is a homeless Vietnam vet who shows up at Justa from time to time. He's been waiting for a benefits check from the VA for eight months. Collins was shot in the throat in Vietnam, and his leg is full of shrapnel. He's got two Purple Hearts, but he didn't claim his medical benefits for years — he didn't need to; he had steady jobs as a welder and a carpenter. Then, last Thanksgiving, he came to Phoenix and couldn't find work, and quickly found himself homeless. Now he needs the money.
The people at the VA are very nice, Collins says, but the bureaucracy is impossible. They've told him he'll get his money. He doesn't understand why it's taking so long.
Collins says he's working hard to not be bitter, but when he arrived in Phoenix and saw what few services there were for him as a veteran, he was mad at John McCain.
"I have a lot of respect for Senator McCain as a war hero," he says, but "I would never vote for a veteran who lets veterans in his state be treated this way."
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In the last few minutes of the first presidential debate, on September 26, John McCain made a statement that probably blew past most economy-obsessed Americans but stopped a lot of military veterans short.
Barack Obama had just remarked that he's approached all the time by Iraq War veterans who say they can't get help for post-traumatic stress disorder from the overwhelmed veterans administration, something Obama vows to improve. When it was his turn to reply, McCain seemed incensed that Obama would dare intrude on McCain's turf as, perhaps, America's most famous injured war vet.
"I know the veterans and I know them well," he said, his voice shaky with emotion. "And I know that they know that I'll take care of them. And I've been proud of their support and of their recognition of my service to the veterans. And I love them, and I'll take care of them. And they know that I'll take care of them."
But he hasn't. McCain's had 25 years in Congress to help veterans, yet nearly all he's done is talk about his own experiences as a prisoner of war — and push the country to go to war again.
If you want to know what it's like to be a veteran in John McCain's home state, stop by the Justa Center in downtown Phoenix.
Jamie Peachey
Iraq veteran Andrew Vera
Associated Press
His fame’s based on his POW status, but Senator John McCain’s made a point of voting against fellow veterans.
Details:
Read decades of coverage in Vintage McCain.
Subject(s):
John McCain and veterans issuesOn a Thursday morning not long ago, a volunteer named Twyla stands in front of a group of clients at Justa, a day program for homeless seniors, explaining what she's brought from the food bank.
"I hope that those of you who don't have many teeth, that you'll be okay with the salad," she says, adding that she's also brought blueberry pomegranate juice. "And cake for dessert!"
Scott Ritchey rolls his eyes good-naturedly as he passes through the room, where the fluorescent light doesn't do any favors for the dirty linoleum and the worn-out, mismatched couches. For the past three years, this decrepit little building near the Arizona Capitol has been a godsend for about 100 homeless seniors who have nothing to do with their days, after waking up at the nearby shelter.
On any given day, about half the participants are veterans.
There's a special unit reserved for veterans at the shelter, but the waiting list is long, so many vets sleep in a parking lot euphemistically called "the overflow." Justa gives them a mailing address, a place to shower, access to the Internet and phone, lockers to store their belongings.
When Ritchey, a Methodist minister, started the program — which operates on about $260,000 a year, all private donations — one of the first things he did was call the local office of the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to get some help for the vets.
It took a year for anyone to show up. And in three years, Ritchey says, the VA has yet to place a single Justa Center vet in housing. There are programs in town that offer housing for veterans, but they've got to prove they're employed.
"You're 82 years old. You don't need to work," Ritchey says.
Almost all his clients have diabetes; many have dementia. Add untreated depression and post-traumatic stress disorder and you have a bad situation, particularly when you have to battle the VA's bureaucracy. Ritchey regularly finds vets napping on the floor by the Coke machine; the sleeping area is too dark and claustrophobic, they tell him.
He recalls one client who needed open-heart surgery. The VA scheduled a doctor's appointment in Tucson, two hours away, and advised the homeless man to rent a car to drive down and spend the night in a hotel. Ritchey intervened and got the man to Tucson; he hasn't heard from him since.
Ritchey's careful not to place direct blame on the VA, which he describes as "underfunded, understaffed, and overwhelmed," but he's clearly frustrated.
Michole Felder, a job counselor at Justa, isn't as careful. He looks over at Ritchey and asks, "Can I be honest?" Ritchey nods.
"The VA doesn't do shit," Felder says. In three years, he doesn't know of a vet who's gotten a job placement through the agency.
Bobby Collins, 59, is a homeless Vietnam vet who shows up at Justa from time to time. He's been waiting for a benefits check from the VA for eight months. Collins was shot in the throat in Vietnam, and his leg is full of shrapnel. He's got two Purple Hearts, but he didn't claim his medical benefits for years — he didn't need to; he had steady jobs as a welder and a carpenter. Then, last Thanksgiving, he came to Phoenix and couldn't find work, and quickly found himself homeless. Now he needs the money.
The people at the VA are very nice, Collins says, but the bureaucracy is impossible. They've told him he'll get his money. He doesn't understand why it's taking so long.
Collins says he's working hard to not be bitter, but when he arrived in Phoenix and saw what few services there were for him as a veteran, he was mad at John McCain.
"I have a lot of respect for Senator McCain as a war hero," he says, but "I would never vote for a veteran who lets veterans in his state be treated this way."
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In the last few minutes of the first presidential debate, on September 26, John McCain made a statement that probably blew past most economy-obsessed Americans but stopped a lot of military veterans short.
Barack Obama had just remarked that he's approached all the time by Iraq War veterans who say they can't get help for post-traumatic stress disorder from the overwhelmed veterans administration, something Obama vows to improve. When it was his turn to reply, McCain seemed incensed that Obama would dare intrude on McCain's turf as, perhaps, America's most famous injured war vet.
"I know the veterans and I know them well," he said, his voice shaky with emotion. "And I know that they know that I'll take care of them. And I've been proud of their support and of their recognition of my service to the veterans. And I love them, and I'll take care of them. And they know that I'll take care of them."
But he hasn't. McCain's had 25 years in Congress to help veterans, yet nearly all he's done is talk about his own experiences as a prisoner of war — and push the country to go to war again.
Sounds like the same old veterans and VA related issues in all 50 states. Probably for decades and longer.
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Any thing Homeless Veteran related issues are very much a myth. The government agency offer jobs to any veterans who fought in any wars.
Those who are currently homeless are mostly self inflicted.
Those who are currently homeless are mostly self inflicted.
vance,
i am aware of numerous vets who have recently / are currently receiving treatment from the VA. you seem knowledgeable about being a vet and dealing with the VA - please share some of your personal experiences in this regard.
thx,
hal
Exactly. Doesn't make it any better but focusing your hate one man does not solve the problem or alleviate the suffering of others. When I am wealthy helping vets will be a top priority. Who deserves it more than them?
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Yikes -- that's a bold statement to make.
When did I mention issues related to vets receiving treatments? When you say the word "aware of them," are you a physician who treats them? Or some you have friends injured during the war? or simply, you're aware they're around your area?
When a vet retire from the service, if they can't find a job, the Federal government will assist them by placing them in the federal related job fields. The US Postal Service ring the bell?
Do you know why I know about this? Because I worked in the PO for seven years. Most of the people I worked with are either Vietnam Vets, or Gulf War vets, and immigrants who can barely speak the language. USPS is composed of a work force of 800,000 employees. Hypothetically speaking, if the entire military force from Iraq retires tomorrow, they will be able to get a job at the postal service if they desire to. It may take a year or two before all of them can be placed, but they will be if they meet the qualification. It will not make the PTF and Casual status employees happy, but it can be done if the congress order the PO to accept every qualified vets.
The indication from these vets were"yes," there are people who can not over come personal issues which cause them to choose to be homeless. Of course there are other factors, but we are talking about a very small minority.
Simply put, there are basically two type of people who join the military: People who actually want to serve their country, or people who have no clue what to do with their live. The homeless vets are mostly, if not, composed from the people who didn't know what to do with their live, even after the service, and refuse to work after their desire to go career is declined, or regret for join the military." Those are not my words, those are my co-workers' words.
THEREFORE, to be homeless is by choice, not because they're miss treated, it is basically self inflicted because they choose NOT to work when a job is provided.
Injured soldiers gets disability just like every one else. The level of disability benefit is based on the type of injuries. However, there is a legit issue of the compensation amount. If a soldier had a leg and an arm blown off, and he cannot work, his disability pay check will be based on a %
of what they were earning while in the service. That will not change properly according to the inflation. Therefore, they better be living in a state which low cost of living.
Does that make sense?
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This is just sick.
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idiotic some people need to get a life...
Now here's something that is real and relevant: Joe Biden On Barack Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8
some people need to get a life...Now here's something that is real and relevant: Joe Biden On Barack Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8
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Even more relevant
McCains choices, I heard all of these on the news just 2 weeks ago
1-Phil Graham-Economic advisor," in our heads this recession", maybe choice for Sec of Treasury
2-Carly Fiorina from HP, for high level jobs, maybe Sec of Treasury
3-Meg Whitman from Ebay for high level jobs
4-Palin for VP
I do not think McCain could choose worse.
Obama has Volker, some ex Pres of Harvard, Buffett, many more really top people.
McCains choices, I heard all of these on the news just 2 weeks ago
1-Phil Graham-Economic advisor," in our heads this recession", maybe choice for Sec of Treasury
2-Carly Fiorina from HP, for high level jobs, maybe Sec of Treasury
3-Meg Whitman from Ebay for high level jobs
4-Palin for VP
I do not think McCain could choose worse.
Obama has Volker, some ex Pres of Harvard, Buffett, many more really top people.
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Oh, yeah. I heard that "some ex Pres of Harvard" was a really great guy too.
He really did a lot and was really smart.
"Some ex Pres of Harvard" is a GREAT choice!
Buahahaahhaahaaa! :biggrin:
only cause you like the guy.....
