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Well it didn't take long before the true tax-spend-soak-the-rich-socialist-marxist agenda to appear.

We've seen...

Barney Frank seeing that down the road there are more RICH people to tax.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Mazjm_A5k

Ted Kennedy is crafting his Magnum Opus Health Plan from his sickbed (I wish him well on his illness, btw).

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/24/kennedy-secretly-crafts-health-care-plan/

We have the Dems salivating over the reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine, because we can't have free and open speech.

http://www.allamericanblogger.com/4...ng-about-the-return-of-the-fairness-doctrine/
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2008/10/dem-senator-fai.html

The Dems are plotting to get rid of most 401K tax breaks - they apparently can't stand to see all of YOUR money sitting there when they have better ideas on how it should be spent.

http://www.workforce.com/section/00/article/25/83/58.php
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79168

Keep in mind, these are just a few initiatives that the Dems have let slip out. Can you imagine what would be coming with a Dem supermajority?

Let's see... Take away your money, take away your guns, take away your right to free speech, what's left?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l46t_nrySg4&feature=related
 
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Well it didn't take long before the true tax-spend-soak-the-rich-socialist-marxist agenda to appear.

We've seen...

Barney Frank seeing that down the road there are more RICH people to tax.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Mazjm_A5k

Ted Kennedy is crafting his Magnum Opus Health Plan from his sickbed (I wish him well on his illness, btw).

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/24/kennedy-secretly-crafts-health-care-plan/

We have the Dems salivating over the reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine, because we can't have free and open speech.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2008/10/dem-senator-fai.html

The Dems are plotting to get rid of most 401K tax breaks - they apparently can't stand to see all of YOUR money sitting there when they have better ideas on how it should be spent.

http://www.workforce.com/section/00/article/25/83/58.php

Keep in mind, these are just a few initiatives that the Dems have let slip out. Can you imagine what would be coming with a Dem supermajority?

Yep. Nikita Kurschev said it best.
 

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You guys need to get out and vote. You'll feel much better afterwards I'm sure. The fresh air would do you good too. Heck, while you're there you might even meet some other folks who think just like you do. They might not be the friendliest people cause they're always mad about something or other, but you'll get along marvelously.
 
This is the line on drudge report:

YOU'RE PUNISHED: OBAMA CAMPAIGN CUTS OFF TV STATION AFTER TOUGH BIDEN INTERVIEW...

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/10/obama-campaign.html

The stream referenced is no longer available... you have to go to Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW_wQgWviZ8

In other news... Russia sets to pove that our media is no less biased then theirs, and wins.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/276508.php

The American Media is Biased in Favor of Obama, Says... Russia
And they know a bit about manipulation of public thought.

Russia's Central Elections Committee has also assigned its Centre for the Study of Election Technology to review the U. S. election campaign.
A preliminary report prepared by the group, after studying U. S. media coverage on the NBC, CBS and ABC television networks since September, has concluded Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential candidate, has a "hidden advantage."

A preliminary report obtained by the Russian daily online newspaper Kommersant concludes the U. S. television networks devoted more time to Republican candidate John McCain, but "the material that makes up that time difference can be assessed as negative."

The Russian study also said Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential pick, has been subjected to more criticism than her Democratic counterpart, Senator Joe Biden.

It adds that when the presidential candidates' platforms are described, Mr. Obama's is described last, to make it look better, and when platforms are compared, "Obama's is presented preferable."

The observations appear to ape western criticisms of Russia's elections in which international observers have complained Russia's television networks are overwhelmingly pro-Kremlin and offer unbalanced and unfair coverage of opposition candidates.


Note they're releasing this defensively, to prove that Russia's own media abuses are just par for the course, no worse than that in the US.

And, apart from the murder of opposition journalists, they're pretty much right.

Newt on the issue...
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You guys need to get out and vote. You'll feel much better afterwards I'm sure. The fresh air would do you good too. Heck, while you're there you might even meet some other folks who think just like you do. They might not be the friendliest people cause they're always mad about something or other, but you'll get along marvelously.

Please nsx2tall, if you're not interested in this thread, then please find another thread to comment upon. There's no need for condescension and a put down. OK? It's ironic that for someone who continues to complain about these posts, you sure have a lot to say.
 
Newt on the issue...
Yawn. That Gingrich clip was whiny and repetitious.

There are much more entertaining examples of a Repubilcan trying to defend Palin:

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This is the line on drudge report:

YOU'RE PUNISHED: OBAMA CAMPAIGN CUTS OFF TV STATION AFTER TOUGH BIDEN INTERVIEW...

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/10/obama-campaign.html

The stream referenced is no longer available... you have to go to Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW_wQgWviZ8

In other news... Russia sets to pove that our media is no less biased then theirs, and wins.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/276508.php

The American Media is Biased in Favor of Obama, Says... Russia
And they know a bit about manipulation of public thought.

Russia's Central Elections Committee has also assigned its Centre for the Study of Election Technology to review the U. S. election campaign.
A preliminary report prepared by the group, after studying U. S. media coverage on the NBC, CBS and ABC television networks since September, has concluded Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential candidate, has a "hidden advantage."

A preliminary report obtained by the Russian daily online newspaper Kommersant concludes the U. S. television networks devoted more time to Republican candidate John McCain, but "the material that makes up that time difference can be assessed as negative."

The Russian study also said Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential pick, has been subjected to more criticism than her Democratic counterpart, Senator Joe Biden.

It adds that when the presidential candidates' platforms are described, Mr. Obama's is described last, to make it look better, and when platforms are compared, "Obama's is presented preferable."

The observations appear to ape western criticisms of Russia's elections in which international observers have complained Russia's television networks are overwhelmingly pro-Kremlin and offer unbalanced and unfair coverage of opposition candidates.


Note they're releasing this defensively, to prove that Russia's own media abuses are just par for the course, no worse than that in the US.

And, apart from the murder of opposition journalists, they're pretty much right.

Newt on the issue...
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Paul,

Pathetic stuff. Can't you see the Anti-American baiting here thorough her right-wing agenda rhetorical question? Anything Palin ever went through with Couric, Gibson, Williams, is t-ball in comparison.

WFTV-Channel 9's Barbara West conducted a satellite interview with Sen. Joe Biden on Thursday. A friend says it's some of the best entertainment he's seen recently. What do you think?

West wondered about Sen. Barack Obama's comment, to Joe the Plumber, about spreading the wealth. She quoted Karl Marx and asked how Obama isn't being a Marxist with the "spreading the wealth" comment.

"Are you joking?" said Biden, who is Obama's running mate. "No," West said.

West later asked Biden about his comments that Obama could be tested early on as president. She wondered if the Delaware senator was saying America's days as the world's leading power were over.

Regards,

Danny
 
Please nsx2tall, if you're not interested in this thread, then please find another thread to comment upon. There's no need for condescension and a put down. OK? It's ironic that for someone who continues to complain about these posts, you sure have a lot to say.

Please explain to me the motivation behind your frequent posts?

I'll start first. My motivation for posting in your threads is that I think what you're posting is garbage. It's either minutae, untrue, or fear mongering unfounded character assasination. Your like minded sources tell you what you want to hear and then you spread it around like it was gospel. It solves nothing, it creates nothing, it inspires nothing. I could ignore you, but that doesn't make it go away. And what I'd appreciate from you is an answer as to why you think it's appropriate to post what you do, why you think it's appropriate to post it here, and what you hope to accomplish by posting it?
 
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Your like minded sources tell you what you want to hear and then you spread it around like it was gospel. And what I'd appreciate from you is an answer as to why you think it's appropriate to post what you do, why you think it's appropriate to post it here, and what you hope to accomplish by posting it?

That sounds exactly like the "Obama is great" sources out there. People find a source that tells them what they want to hear, that Obama is great somehow and mccain is evil and then they spread the why mccain is evil propaganda around like it was gospel.

Maybe he's posting it in response to all the McCain is evil garbage going around?

Sounds like you're just pissed that he's expressing his feelings about Obama.
 
Please nsx2tall, if you're not interested in this thread, then please find another thread to comment upon. There's no need for condescension and a put down. OK? It's ironic that for someone who continues to complain about these posts, you sure have a lot to say.

NSX2tall has the same rights as we or anyone else to post....
 
Paul,

Pathetic stuff. Can't you see the Anti-American baiting here thorough her right-wing agenda rhetorical question? Anything Palin ever went through with Couric, Gibson, Williams, is t-ball in comparison.

WFTV-Channel 9's Barbara West conducted a satellite interview with Sen. Joe Biden on Thursday. A friend says it's some of the best entertainment he's seen recently. What do you think?

West wondered about Sen. Barack Obama's comment, to Joe the Plumber, about spreading the wealth. She quoted Karl Marx and asked how Obama isn't being a Marxist with the "spreading the wealth" comment.

"Are you joking?" said Biden, who is Obama's running mate. "No," West said.

West later asked Biden about his comments that Obama could be tested early on as president. She wondered if the Delaware senator was saying America's days as the world's leading power were over.

Regards,

Danny

Don't just take Newt's word on it.

http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=6099188


Media's Presidential Bias and Decline
Columnist Michael Malone Looks at Slanted Election Coverage and the Reasons Why
Column By MICHAEL S. MALONE
Oct. 24, 2008 —

The traditional media are playing a very, very dangerous game -- with their readers, with the Constitution and with their own fates.

The sheer bias in the print and television coverage of this election campaign is not just bewildering, but appalling. And over the last few months I've found myself slowly moving from shaking my head at the obvious one-sided reporting, to actually shouting at the screen of my television and my laptop computer.

But worst of all, for the last couple weeks, I've begun -- for the first time in my adult life -- to be embarrassed to admit what I do for a living. A few days ago, when asked by a new acquaintance what I did for a living, I replied that I was "a writer," because I couldn't bring myself to admit to a stranger that I'm a journalist.

You need to understand how painful this is for me. I am one of those people who truly bleeds ink when I'm cut. I am a fourth-generation newspaperman. As family history tells it, my great-grandfather was a newspaper editor in Abilene, Kan., during the last of the cowboy days, then moved to Oregon to help start the Oregon Journal (now the Oregonian).

My hard-living -- and when I knew her, scary -- grandmother was one of the first women reporters for the Los Angeles Times. And my father, though profoundly dyslexic, followed a long career in intelligence to finish his life (thanks to word processors and spellcheckers) as a very successful freelance writer. I've spent 30 years in every part of journalism, from beat reporter to magazine editor. And my oldest son, following in the family business, so to speak, earned his first national byline before he earned his drivers license.
So, when I say I'm deeply ashamed right now to be called a "journalist," you can imagine just how deep that cuts into my soul.

Now, of course, there's always been bias in the media. Human beings are biased, so the work they do, including reporting, is inevitably colored. Hell, I can show you 10 different ways to color variations of the word "said" -- muttered, shouted, announced, reluctantly replied, responded, etc. -- to influence the way a reader will apprehend exactly the same quote. We all learn that in Reporting 101, or at least in the first few weeks working in a newsroom.

But what we are also supposed to learn during that same apprenticeship is to recognize the dangerous power of that technique, and many others, and develop built-in alarms against them.

But even more important, we are also supposed to be taught that even though there is no such thing as pure, Platonic objectivity in reporting, we are to spend our careers struggling to approach that ideal as closely as possible.

That means constantly challenging our own prejudices, systematically presenting opposing views and never, ever burying stories that contradict our own world views or challenge people or institutions we admire. If we can't achieve Olympian detachment, than at least we can recognize human frailty -- especially in ourselves.

Reporting Bias
For many years, spotting bias in reporting was a little parlor game of mine, watching TV news or reading a newspaper article and spotting how the reporter had inserted, often unconsciously, his or her own preconceptions. But I always wrote it off as bad judgment and lack of professionalism, rather than bad faith and conscious advocacy.

Sure, being a child of the '60s I saw a lot of subjective "New" Journalism, and did a fair amount of it myself, but that kind of writing, like columns and editorials, was supposed to be segregated from "real" reporting, and, at least in mainstream media, usually was. The same was true for the emerging blogosphere, which by its very nature was opinionated and biased.
But my complacent faith in my peers first began to be shaken when some of the most admired journalists in the country were exposed as plagiarists, or worse, accused of making up stories from whole cloth.

I'd spent my entire professional career scrupulously pounding out endless dreary footnotes and double-checking sources to make sure that I never got accused of lying or stealing someone else's work -- not out of any native honesty, but out of fear: I'd always been told to fake or steal a story was a firing offense & indeed, it meant being blackballed out of the profession.
And yet, few of those worthies ever seemed to get fired for their crimes -- and if they did they were soon rehired into even more prestigious jobs. It seemed as if there were two sets of rules: one for us workaday journalists toiling out in the sticks, and another for folks who'd managed, through talent or deceit, to make it to the national level.

Meanwhile, I watched with disbelief as the nation's leading newspapers, many of whom I'd written for in the past, slowly let opinion pieces creep into the news section, and from there onto the front page. Personal opinions and comments that, had they appeared in my stories in 1979, would have gotten my butt kicked by the nearest copy editor, were now standard operating procedure at the New York Times, the Washington Post, and soon after in almost every small town paper in the U.S.

But what really shattered my faith -- and I know the day and place where it happened -- was the war in Lebanon three summers ago. The hotel I was staying at in Windhoek, Namibia, only carried CNN, a network I'd already learned to approach with skepticism. But this was CNN International, which is even worse.

I sat there, first with my jaw hanging down, then actually shouting at the TV, as one field reporter after another reported the carnage of the Israeli attacks on Beirut, with almost no corresponding coverage of the Hezbollah missiles raining down on northern Israel. The reporting was so utterly and shamelessly biased that I sat there for hours watching, assuming that eventually CNNi would get around to telling the rest of the story & but it never happened.

The Presidential Campaign
But nothing, nothing I've seen has matched the media bias on display in the current presidential campaign.

Republicans are justifiably foaming at the mouth over the sheer one-sidedness of the press coverage of the two candidates and their running mates. But in the last few days, even Democrats, who have been gloating over the pass -- no, make that shameless support -- they've gotten from the press, are starting to get uncomfortable as they realize that no one wins in the long run when we don't have a free and fair press.
I was one of the first people in the traditional media to call for the firing of Dan Rather -- not because of his phony story, but because he refused to admit his mistake -- but, bless him, even Gunga Dan thinks the media is one-sided in this election.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not one of those people who think the media has been too hard on, say, Republican vice presidential nominee Gov. Sarah Palin, by rushing reportorial SWAT teams to her home state of Alaska to rifle through her garbage. This is the big leagues, and if she wants to suit up and take the field, then Gov. Palin better be ready to play.

The few instances where I think the press has gone too far -- such as the Times reporter talking to prospective first lady Cindy McCain's daughter's MySpace friends -- can easily be solved with a few newsroom smackdowns and temporary repostings to the Omaha bureau.

No, what I object to (and I think most other Americans do as well) is the lack of equivalent hardball coverage of the other side -- or worse, actively serving as attack dogs for the presidential ticket of Sens. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and Joe Biden, D-Del.

If the current polls are correct, we are about to elect as president of the United States a man who is essentially a cipher, who has left almost no paper trail, seems to have few friends (that at least will talk) and has entire years missing out of his biography.

That isn't Sen. Obama's fault: His job is to put his best face forward. No, it is the traditional media's fault, for it alone (unlike the alternative media) has had the resources to cover this story properly, and has systematically refused to do so.

Why, for example to quote the lawyer for Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., haven't we seen an interview with Sen. Obama's grad school drug dealer -- when we know all about Mrs. McCain's addiction? Are Bill Ayers and Tony Rezko that hard to interview? All those phony voter registrations that hard to scrutinize? And why are Sen. Biden's endless gaffes almost always covered up, or rationalized, by the traditional media?

Joe the Plumber
The absolute nadir (though I hate to commit to that, as we still have two weeks before the election) came with Joe the Plumber.
Middle America, even when they didn't agree with Joe, looked on in horror as the press took apart the private life of an average person who had the temerity to ask a tough question of a presidential candidate. So much for the standing up for the little man. So much for speaking truth to power. So much for comforting the afflicted and afflicting the comfortable, and all of those other catchphrases we journalists used to believe we lived by.
I learned a long time ago that when people or institutions begin to behave in a matter that seems to be entirely against their own interests, it's because we don't understand what their motives really are. It would seem that by so exposing their biases and betting everything on one candidate over another, the traditional media is trying to commit suicide -- especially when, given our currently volatile world and economy, the chances of a successful Obama presidency, indeed any presidency, is probably less than 50/50.
Furthermore, I also happen to believe that most reporters, whatever their political bias, are human torpedoes & and, had they been unleashed, would have raced in and roughed up the Obama campaign as much as they did McCain's. That's what reporters do. I was proud to have been one, and I'm still drawn to a good story, any good story, like a shark to blood in the water.

So why weren't those legions of hungry reporters set loose on the Obama campaign? Who are the real villains in this story of mainstream media betrayal?

The editors. The men and women you don't see; the people who not only decide what goes in the paper, but what doesn't; the managers who give the reporters their assignments and lay out the editorial pages. They are the real culprits.

Bad Editors
Why? I think I know, because had my life taken a different path, I could have been one: Picture yourself in your 50s in a job where you've spent 30 years working your way to the top, to the cockpit of power & only to discover that you're presiding over a dying industry. The Internet and alternative media are stealing your readers, your advertisers and your top young talent. Many of your peers shrewdly took golden parachutes and disappeared. Your job doesn't have anywhere near the power and influence it did when your started your climb. The Newspaper Guild is too weak to protect you any more, and there is a very good chance you'll lose your job before you cross that finish line, 10 years hence, of retirement and a pension.
In other words, you are facing career catastrophe -- and desperate times call for desperate measures. Even if you have to risk everything on a single Hail Mary play. Even if you have to compromise the principles that got you here. After all, newspapers and network news are doomed anyway -- all that counts is keeping them on life support until you can retire.
And then the opportunity presents itself -- an attractive young candidate whose politics likely matches yours, but more important, he offers the prospect of a transformed Washington with the power to fix everything that has gone wrong in your career.
With luck, this monolithic, single-party government will crush the alternative media via a revived fairness doctrine, re-invigorate unions by getting rid of secret votes, and just maybe be beholden to people like you in the traditional media for getting it there.
And besides, you tell yourself, it's all for the good of the country &
This is the opinion of the columnist and in no way reflects the opinion of ABC News.
 
As for the q's to Biden - they were excellent questions. I will agree with you that Palin got easy questions and fumbled them up horribly eg: Couric.

However, as Michael Malone and Newt highlight, the 'reporting' of Palin was appaling and disgusting.
 
That sounds exactly like the "Obama is great" sources out there. People find a source that tells them what they want to hear, that Obama is great somehow and mccain is evil and then they spread the why mccain is evil propaganda around like it was gospel.

Maybe he's posting it in response to all the McCain is evil garbage going around?

Sounds like you're just pissed that he's expressing his feelings about Obama.

I think you'll find I've posted dissatisfaction in threads of this type speaking about both candidates.

slownsxt, you can't blame the answers on the questions especially in politics. And if you're going to play journalist (which I think you are) on NSXprime, you might want re-read your last post in the context of all that you've posted before it.
 
No matter who wins it was voter fraud and I want justice! The machines were rigged and old people can't read good! Florida screwed it up, I want a re-count! It'll be the next election by the time you get me to stfu!

Just wait and see. Honestly I think if Obama wins it'll be pretty quiet around here. If he loses I'm going to cement in some ear plugs.
 
i'll start first. My motivation for posting in your threads is that i think what you're posting is garbage. It's either minutae, untrue, or fear mongering unfounded character assasination. Your like minded sources tell you what you want to hear and then you spread it around like it was gospel. It solves nothing, it creates nothing, it inspires nothing. I could ignore you, but that doesn't make it go away. And what i'd appreciate from you is an answer as to why you think it's appropriate to post what you do, why you think it's appropriate to post it here, and what you hope to accomplish by posting it?

+1.
 
Please explain to me the motivation behind your frequent posts?

I'll start first. My motivation for posting in your threads is that I think what you're posting is garbage. It's either minutae, untrue, or fear mongering unfounded character assasination. Your like minded sources tell you what you want to hear and then you spread it around like it was gospel. It solves nothing, it creates nothing, it inspires nothing. I could ignore you, but that doesn't make it go away. And what I'd appreciate from you is an answer as to why you think it's appropriate to post what you do, why you think it's appropriate to post it here, and what you hope to accomplish by posting it?

Another +1
 
2tall,

It seems to me you're simply trying to attack the messenger. So, you think my post here was untrue garbage. Well, why don't you provide a logical or factual refutation on my first post in this thread? What did I post that was untrue?

I posted a video of Barney Frank (in his own words) stating how there were more rich people he could tax. Is this somehow untrue? I am troubled by his words and I thought others might be troubled as well. Or, conversely if you like what Frank had to say, I would sure like to understand why.

I am also concerned about the likely reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine - a law (ironically considering this post) designed to shut down free speech. So, I posted links to two sources. Maybe the Dems are not interested in doing this? Perhaps you have information that would calm my fears?

Perhaps the Washington Times is wrong that Ted K is working on a Universal Health Care bill - in preparation for when the Dems have a super-majority that can't be challenged. Perhaps you have some thoughts on that?

For the most part, with the exception of the final humorous parody video link (All Hail Obama), I posted bona fide links and sources with the intention on fostering awareness and discussion. If you think my posts are garbage, you could ignore them or better yet refute them, but all you seem to do is simply label them and dismiss them as lies or character assassination. That practice does not solve, create or inspire anything.

This is an off topic section of a website that I've been proudly associated with for eight years. I've strived to always be polite and respectful to all. I've posted links and shared opinions in the spirit of free discourse and sharing information. Obviously, you don't like my posts. That's fine. Perhaps, I'm wrong but it seems your comments are merely aimed at just stopping someone with a different point of view. Like you admitted, you don't want to ignore my posts - you want them to go away.

-Jim

Please explain to me the motivation behind your frequent posts?

I'll start first. My motivation for posting in your threads is that I think what you're posting is garbage. It's either minutae, untrue, or fear mongering unfounded character assasination. Your like minded sources tell you what you want to hear and then you spread it around like it was gospel. It solves nothing, it creates nothing, it inspires nothing. I could ignore you, but that doesn't make it go away. And what I'd appreciate from you is an answer as to why you think it's appropriate to post what you do, why you think it's appropriate to post it here, and what you hope to accomplish by posting it?
 
Disgusting.

http://cbs2.com/local/Sarah.Palin.mannequin.2.849299.html

So far, hasn't made it to MSM except for Foxnews AFAIK. Imagine if this was Obama - can you say riots and deaths and some bs story about how McCain camp encouraged this.


I suspect/hope the SS goes after this guy as this is essentially a death threat and puts this guy in jail.

In other news.. Obama says while in State Senate that courts were not radical enough in their redistribution of change....

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Can anyone honestly say this guy isn't "Lenin v 2.0 light"?
Among many other issues - who else in the presidential race history has asked the Department of Justice to PROSECUTE a 527 for exercising political freedom of speech? EG: Put in Jail and/or fine. http://michellemalkin.com/2008/08/26/gloves-off-now-obama-calls-for-prosecuting-gop-donor/


I seriously think there is a good chance that during an Obama presidency, I, along with the 2 or 3 other 'Right Wing whackos' on here will have some sort of action taken against us by someone assosciated with Obama..Sorry for soundling like a whacko, but there is plenty of reason to be very worried. I can't think of a single issue that he's anywhere near close to "mainstream" on.
 

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I haven't heard about this until now. I'm not sure about it but it does explain a few things. I think Obama is really smart and clever. One has to wonder why he would propose SO much in the way of services, spending, etc. Surely he must know there's only so much money available. And with today's economic crisis, why would he persist in calling for more and more spending.

Here's one scary possibility...

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html

-Jim
 
2tall,

It seems to me you're simply trying to attack the messenger. So, you think my post here was untrue garbage. Well, why don't you provide a logical or factual refutation on my first post in this thread? What did I post that was untrue?

I posted a video of Barney Frank (in his own words) stating how there were more rich people he could tax. Is this somehow untrue? I am troubled by his words and I thought others might be troubled as well. Or, conversely if you like what Frank had to say, I would sure like to understand why.

I am also concerned about the likely reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine - a law (ironically considering this post) designed to shut down free speech. So, I posted links to two sources. Maybe the Dems are not interested in doing this? Perhaps you have information that would calm my fears?

Perhaps the Washington Times is wrong that Ted K is working on a Universal Health Care bill - in preparation for when the Dems have a super-majority that can't be challenged. Perhaps you have some thoughts on that?

For the most part, with the exception of the final humorous parody video link (All Hail Obama), I posted bona fide links and sources with the intention on fostering awareness and discussion. If you think my posts are garbage, you could ignore them or better yet refute them, but all you seem to do is simply label them and dismiss them as lies or character assassination. That practice does not solve, create or inspire anything.

This is an off topic section of a website that I've been proudly associated with for eight years. I've strived to always be polite and respectful to all. I've posted links and shared opinions in the spirit of free discourse and sharing information. Obviously, you don't like my posts. That's fine. Perhaps, I'm wrong but it seems your comments are merely aimed at just stopping someone with a different point of view. Like you admitted, you don't want to ignore my posts - you want them to go away.

-Jim


My apologies Jim. While you may participate in crap threads, you are neither the source nor the messenger. My dissatisfaction is directed at topics such as "Is Obama a citizen?","October Surprise","Must Read: Obama and ACORN" and "Iran prefers Obama" and the general regurgitation of opinions and topics from other media outlets. To say your posts were garbage was reactionary and misdirected as none of those were your posts.

Though I personally don't hold the same opinions and assessments that you do about either republicans or democrats, if you want to discuss health care, start a new thread. I'll be happy to offer my own opinion, not a hyperlink to someone else's.
 
My apologies Jim. While you may participate in crap threads, you are neither the source nor the messenger. My dissatisfaction is directed at topics such as "Is Obama a citizen?","October Surprise","Must Read: Obama and ACORN" and "Iran prefers Obama" and the general regurgitation of opinions and topics from other media outlets. To say your posts were garbage was reactionary and misdirected as none of those were your posts.

Though I personally don't hold the same opinions and assessments that you do about either republicans or democrats, if you want to discuss health care, start a new thread. I'll be happy to offer my own opinion, not a hyperlink to someone else's.

You know, Jim is not the only one that starts and participates to this thread, right? ;)
 
You know, Jim is not the only one that starts and participates to this thread, right? ;)

Funny you say that, your name is front and center on some of those posts I mentioned, not Jimbo's. I offer no apology to you, but I'll drop the subject and leave people to believe what they want, even if I think it's crap. Your posts speak for themselves without me chiming in.

I took my own advice and went out and voted. I met some nice people and got some fresh air.
 
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