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Not defending it, it's just my guess as to why he's still being paid......
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Police officer delays man while his relative is dying
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Not defending it, it's just my guess as to why he's still being paid......
I highly doubt he is enjoying his leave- paid or not. If I got sent home knowing my job was in jeopardy I'd be s#%ing bricks...
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Not a good comparison as this thread is about a human life here but a while ago there was a video of a couple speeding to get their dog to a Animal Hospital because their dog was choking. The cop pulled them over and acted like a prick and the dog ended up dying as the cop was writing them a ticket. 
As for cop's arrogant attitude, I personally think that a lot of cops go on a power trip minute they feel that you don't show utmost respect and submission to their high and mighty authority. And, I think that mode of thought is partially a result of the paramilitary structure of law enforcement agencies very much like how military officers interact with regular enlisted members.
As for cop's arrogant attitude, I personally think that a lot of cops go on a power trip minute they feel that you don't show utmost respect and submission to their high and mighty authority. And, I think that mode of thought is partially a result of the paramilitary structure of law enforcement agencies very much like how military officers interact with regular enlisted members.
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Someone broke into my house, and we called the cops. When they arrived, we were outside sitting in the car (for safety). They rolled up to us, and asked us which house it was. We pointed and said that one, and they were very rude when they asked us again. It wasn't just a heightened response due to adrenaline, but more a response sounding of irritation. We then pointed again, and said that one with the garage doors open.
I don't know what was so difficult to get. We were right in front of the house, pointing at it, and it was the only one with the garage doors open. We had to repeat ourselves 3-4 times before they finally went to the house to do anything.
They went in with guns drawn. A helicopter was flying overhead.
The perps had already left apparently (before the cops arrived) and we went around with them to see what happened.
We found out that a ladder had been taken from our neighbors backyard, set up directly under the upstairs window, and the screen to the window had been ripped off and was laying on the ground next to the ladder. The window was open.
The cops then kept asking us if anyone had really broken in, and the guy in charge of the group kept insisting it was the wind that ripped the screen off.
I tried to explain that the evidence suggests someone took our neighbors ladder, used it to climb up to he window and go in.
He kept giving B.S. excuses how it was not possible. He said that it was "impossible" to reach the window from the ladder, even though it was a simple reach, and that it was impossible for them to have come back out this way since there were spiderwebs on the wall where they would have had to come down and that the webs were undisturbed.
LOL. I stood there in shock and thought: "Spiderwebs???? You are making an assumption based on spiderwebs????"
I don't know if this guy was serious or not, but I still don't understand his rationale to this day. He was either really dumb, or did not want to go through extra paperwork (if there is any required if a break-in actually occured).
The whole situation was weird. Just that one guy was really rude and weird. His subordinates even seemed to be standing there thinking "what?". But they followed his instructions anyways, and they all left with nothing resolved.
Sometimes, I just don't understand cops.
I don't know what was so difficult to get. We were right in front of the house, pointing at it, and it was the only one with the garage doors open. We had to repeat ourselves 3-4 times before they finally went to the house to do anything.
They went in with guns drawn. A helicopter was flying overhead.
The perps had already left apparently (before the cops arrived) and we went around with them to see what happened.
We found out that a ladder had been taken from our neighbors backyard, set up directly under the upstairs window, and the screen to the window had been ripped off and was laying on the ground next to the ladder. The window was open.
The cops then kept asking us if anyone had really broken in, and the guy in charge of the group kept insisting it was the wind that ripped the screen off.
I tried to explain that the evidence suggests someone took our neighbors ladder, used it to climb up to he window and go in.
He kept giving B.S. excuses how it was not possible. He said that it was "impossible" to reach the window from the ladder, even though it was a simple reach, and that it was impossible for them to have come back out this way since there were spiderwebs on the wall where they would have had to come down and that the webs were undisturbed.
LOL. I stood there in shock and thought: "Spiderwebs???? You are making an assumption based on spiderwebs????"
I don't know if this guy was serious or not, but I still don't understand his rationale to this day. He was either really dumb, or did not want to go through extra paperwork (if there is any required if a break-in actually occured).
The whole situation was weird. Just that one guy was really rude and weird. His subordinates even seemed to be standing there thinking "what?". But they followed his instructions anyways, and they all left with nothing resolved.
Sometimes, I just don't understand cops.
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This is why people don't like cops. Typically, they are idiots who thought way more of themselves, than anyone else on this planet would grant them.
They have an inferiority complex, and this makes them feel like "real men".
I manage money for alot of police officers, and I can honestly say, I have only met 6 that I thought was in it for the right reasons. The others have told me things like, "they wear red and blue, my gang wears a badge" and other idiot things like that.
I know we have law enforcement on Prime, and I would like to assume they aren't like that. I know that no one likes to be stereotyped, but I think the one cops have, is unfortunately, deserved.
They have an inferiority complex, and this makes them feel like "real men".
I manage money for alot of police officers, and I can honestly say, I have only met 6 that I thought was in it for the right reasons. The others have told me things like, "they wear red and blue, my gang wears a badge" and other idiot things like that.
I know we have law enforcement on Prime, and I would like to assume they aren't like that. I know that no one likes to be stereotyped, but I think the one cops have, is unfortunately, deserved.
I live here, cant believe the article. There are great officers that put it on the line everyday. This POS is not one of them, he is a pussy with a gun!! Not officer material....I was pulled over for speeding last week, by a state trooper, young guy very proffesional and courteous, not a punk with authority...Take note......
Here is a comment posted under the article by a fellow cop :
"I'm sorry for the family's loss. But this is an obvious disrespect for the Law. Of course I wasn't there but as a Cop I I feel if Moats would have initially stopped when he was ordered to by the Dallas Officer, maybe the Officer would have been more compassionate. I don’t feel that the Dallas officer did anything wrong. Of course he pulled his gun out. The vehicle failed to yield, passengers started exiting the vehicle and the Officer did not know the situation. Everyone who ever criticizes the Law Enforcement Officer usually has never walked a day in their shoes. I feel that the NFL should apologize for the Moats’ attitude. If someone is about to pass away and you really want to go see them. Then don’t be disrespectful and attempt to gain compassion from the Officer who is only doing his/her job. When Officers start allowing drivers to run red lights then the U.S.A. is going to have a problem. Any naysayers have kids in that crosswalk and then they get ran over. I can hear the argument not that the Officer was not doing hi/her job. Officers are a convenient profession to the unknowing public. They only want intervention when it is going to go in their favor. The Dallas Chief jumped the gun here and is playing politics. Put him in that Officers shoes that night. See how he would have handled it!"
:"I'm sorry for the family's loss. But this is an obvious disrespect for the Law. Of course I wasn't there but as a Cop I I feel if Moats would have initially stopped when he was ordered to by the Dallas Officer, maybe the Officer would have been more compassionate. I don’t feel that the Dallas officer did anything wrong. Of course he pulled his gun out. The vehicle failed to yield, passengers started exiting the vehicle and the Officer did not know the situation. Everyone who ever criticizes the Law Enforcement Officer usually has never walked a day in their shoes. I feel that the NFL should apologize for the Moats’ attitude. If someone is about to pass away and you really want to go see them. Then don’t be disrespectful and attempt to gain compassion from the Officer who is only doing his/her job. When Officers start allowing drivers to run red lights then the U.S.A. is going to have a problem. Any naysayers have kids in that crosswalk and then they get ran over. I can hear the argument not that the Officer was not doing hi/her job. Officers are a convenient profession to the unknowing public. They only want intervention when it is going to go in their favor. The Dallas Chief jumped the gun here and is playing politics. Put him in that Officers shoes that night. See how he would have handled it!"
He stopped, then proceeded throught the light{the cop witnessed this 1st hand} with emergency flashers on, then he only drove a couple of blocks turning into the hospital and right up to the front door practically. Common sense alone should have told the cop somethings wrong here. Emergency flashers/hospital/front door! Take the guys license and let them go in. I'm sure adrenaline probably had some to do with it but there was still some lacking of judgement here. While I'm in no way slamming cops, I believe things could've been done differently.Here is a comment posted under the article by a fellow cop
"I'm sorry for the family's loss. But this is an obvious disrespect for the Law. Of course I wasn't there but as a Cop I I feel if Moats would have initially stopped when he was ordered to by the Dallas Officer, maybe the Officer would have been more compassionate. I don’t feel that the Dallas officer did anything wrong. Of course he pulled his gun out. The vehicle failed to yield, passengers started exiting the vehicle and the Officer did not know the situation. Everyone who ever criticizes the Law Enforcement Officer usually has never walked a day in their shoes. I feel that the NFL should apologize for the Moats’ attitude. If someone is about to pass away and you really want to go see them. Then don’t be disrespectful and attempt to gain compassion from the Officer who is only doing his/her job. When Officers start allowing drivers to run red lights then the U.S.A. is going to have a problem. Any naysayers have kids in that crosswalk and then they get ran over. I can hear the argument not that the Officer was not doing hi/her job. Officers are a convenient profession to the unknowing public. They only want intervention when it is going to go in their favor. The Dallas Chief jumped the gun here and is playing politics. Put him in that Officers shoes that night. See how he would have handled it!"
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I'm certainly not defending the cop here.
BUT, in situations like this with a dying/dead family member, hospitals are careful not to tell family/friends at home that the patient is dying/dead, specifically to avoid something like this happening. They'll tell them that they "took a turn for the worse" or the like. I can't imagine that a hospital employee told the family at home that she was "coding".
If the family was at home or in their car when she was coding, they certainly wouldn't have been able to see her till she was declared dead, or if she survived the code, much later after she'd been stabilized.
AND, around my house at least, it takes a very long time to assemble an SUV-full of family members.
BUT, in situations like this with a dying/dead family member, hospitals are careful not to tell family/friends at home that the patient is dying/dead, specifically to avoid something like this happening. They'll tell them that they "took a turn for the worse" or the like. I can't imagine that a hospital employee told the family at home that she was "coding".
If the family was at home or in their car when she was coding, they certainly wouldn't have been able to see her till she was declared dead, or if she survived the code, much later after she'd been stabilized.
AND, around my house at least, it takes a very long time to assemble an SUV-full of family members.
I don't understand your point here?
You don't know what happened or was said between the hospital and the Moats family, so stop trying to speculate and put a bad light on an already sad situation.I think everyone is upset because the officer deliberately and thoughtlessly detained Moats even AFTER his story was verified by hospital staff, and ended up depriving him of the opportunity to say goodbye to a loved one. This is so f*ed up, I mean what happened to a little human decency and compassion?
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Back in 1980's, I drove down one day to Palos Verdes High School here in CA to pick up my son and parked on a quiet street near the school. I spotted a police officer hiding behind the bushes and jockingly asked him what he was up to.
Conversation went on to reveal he was there to "catch and ticket" teenagers driving out of the gate "irresponsibly". I mentioned to him that in Europe it would make more sense to "educate" rather" than punish especially at that age and make better drivers out of these teens. He categorically told me that it would be a waste of time and that the only "language" the kids understood was one of authority and fear. I knew right then (and many years of living here since) that, in the US, the police may not be Public Enemy Nr. 1, but pretty close! I have had not much respect for most of the police officers I have spoken to in over 30 years.
Conversation went on to reveal he was there to "catch and ticket" teenagers driving out of the gate "irresponsibly". I mentioned to him that in Europe it would make more sense to "educate" rather" than punish especially at that age and make better drivers out of these teens. He categorically told me that it would be a waste of time and that the only "language" the kids understood was one of authority and fear. I knew right then (and many years of living here since) that, in the US, the police may not be Public Enemy Nr. 1, but pretty close! I have had not much respect for most of the police officers I have spoken to in over 30 years.
Every time someone tries to stick up for these cops, they show us once again the kind of people they really are. When is the last time you heard about them doing something heroic on the news? You may say that is not what the news covers, I say that maybe it wasent heroic and newsworthy.
Cops evolve like american values and television. They are slowly turning into trash.
Cops evolve like american values and television. They are slowly turning into trash.
This same guy performed a running tackle on a high school girl and put her in cuffs, all while on school campus. Her crime? Jaywalking. She was late to class and was running from her car across the street. He claimed that she was running from him.
just last weekend 4 oakland police officers were killed: 2 in cold blood, 2 going in to a home where the perpetrator (who had just killed their co-workers) had taken shelter.
seems pretty heroic to me and i'm betting it was seen to be heroic by the 19,000+ who attended their public services.
my experience and perspective: pick a profession and it's likely there's more than enough "trash" to satisfy the urge to find "trash".
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I think America is way too hungry for Heroes. It seems everytime a cop gets harmed or a fire fighter gets a little smoked, he gets a street named after him. How come in the rest of the world, all these incidences are considered "just in the line of duty" or "just doing his job" ?
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Living in the DFW area I can say that alot of the officers around here seem quite curtious. This guy was way out of line, I can understand having gun drawn when you see people scrambling out of the car, but for almost 14 minutes this officer stalled him and tried to act like billy badass. I can make this night suck for you, well gee mr. officer I believer his night already sucks his mother in law is dying. I believe Moats was VERY patient with this officer, he NEVER identified himself as a special person or asked for special treatment. I believe there is a terrible problem in this country with alot of people becoming officers of the law just to get back at people. I have seen this first person when one of my friends from school went to the police acadamey and told me he couldn't wait to see the faces of the people he pulled over. Needless to say I am no longer his friend as I found out many unsavory things about him.
It is hard to say this is just in the US but I think if you look closely you will find corruption in any profession that gives people the power of authority.
It is hard to say this is just in the US but I think if you look closely you will find corruption in any profession that gives people the power of authority.
huh.
i don't know of any streets in my town named after police officers or firefighters who got themselves "a little smoked".
likewise, your position that other countries citizens view their first-responders getting killed in the line of duty as "just doing his job" represents a position i've never seen. as i've traveled the world and read of local first-responders dying in the line of duty, i've never once read they were "doing their job" except from other officers who face the same conditions.
i suspect we live in different worlds.
That officer was completely wrong.........
Robert Powell resigned from the Dallas PD this morning. This of course follows his televised interview where he expressed remorse at his conduct at the scene.
I feel for the guy, he has a family to support. It seems he realized far too late that his behavior was not acceptable given his position of authority, and the circumstances of the event.
I hope he learns from his mistakes, becomes a better person from this and then lands on his feet.
Interview can be seen HERE
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I feel for the guy, he has a family to support. It seems he realized far too late that his behavior was not acceptable given his position of authority, and the circumstances of the event.
I hope he learns from his mistakes, becomes a better person from this and then lands on his feet.
Interview can be seen HERE
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ditto.
My daughter was having extreme difficultly breathing and we rushed her to the ER. When I say "rushed", I mean I went 20 mph over the posted speed limits. We were pulled over by a cop very near the hospital and I yelled out the window my situation. From there, we had a police escort to the front door of the ER and a walk-in with the officer. No questions asked no hassles given.
I couldn't have thanked her (the cop) enough.
I couldn't have thanked her (the cop) enough.
Well I too am glad to see the officer finally realized his reactions were inappropriate, unprofessional and completely out of line. I hope that he is able to land a job in some small department and his behavior is adjusted accordingly. I wish him well.
