Guys
Have any of you brake experts seen or heard of the following.
http://www.delphi.com/pdf/e/br_max_torque.pdf
The concept seems to me to make a lot of sense over the current types of system.
IIRC there was adiscussion on here about a similar system using a single titanium alloy rotor as well and although a lot of us were sceptical it seems the idea may be catching on.
What do you guys think really is state of the art.
I was about to pull the trigger on a billet tarox10 system with ceramic cheeses in the discs work from cold,etc
http://www.tarox.com/fastroad-metalceramic-info.htm
untill i heard about all the problems with porsche PCCB my friends gt3 has had to go back twice ( ouch )
I think the typical BBK kits like Brembe etc are just trading on image and name.
A lot of serious racers seem to use forged Billet etc like alcon,willwood and AP when the class rules dont prohibit modifications.
The x-drilled discs on a number of kits seem to suffer from cracking more than the slotted rotors ( although do look better sometimes )
I think that the cast iron calipers seem clunky old tech compared to the latest alloys, with stress and flow forged alloys billet machined to the last gram especially as we know saving weight on the suspension carried components always makes sense.
I understand all the theory that even a ropy brake system can stop you just as fast as its the tyres friction coef that decelerate you etc, hawever I have found different in practice as a full lock is not always the fastest and obviously the least controllable stop.
However the time it takes for a cheap system to stop controlled deceleration and lock and the feeling and modulation you get with high performance brakes is where the difference lies.
Measure with a pyrometer all around the tyre rim on cheap brake systems vs better systems and you will see larger disparity between min max temps on the basic system.
I also understand the benefits of the braided SS lines, proper propertioning and appropriate pads brake fluid boiling points etc.
But the brakes on the X are one area that lets it down, the feeling can be improved by the standard fix's pads,ss hoses, dot5 etc
But In my opinion I prefer the feeling of brakes on a gt3 or open racer and have driven a stock car with Wilwood STR brakes that was phenomonel.
With the new FI power gauntlets being trown down by FX, GJ and others how can we improve this other important aspect of our fantastic cars and to what extent ?
Max,G
Have any of you brake experts seen or heard of the following.
http://www.delphi.com/pdf/e/br_max_torque.pdf
The concept seems to me to make a lot of sense over the current types of system.
IIRC there was adiscussion on here about a similar system using a single titanium alloy rotor as well and although a lot of us were sceptical it seems the idea may be catching on.
What do you guys think really is state of the art.
I was about to pull the trigger on a billet tarox10 system with ceramic cheeses in the discs work from cold,etc
http://www.tarox.com/fastroad-metalceramic-info.htm
untill i heard about all the problems with porsche PCCB my friends gt3 has had to go back twice ( ouch )
I think the typical BBK kits like Brembe etc are just trading on image and name.
A lot of serious racers seem to use forged Billet etc like alcon,willwood and AP when the class rules dont prohibit modifications.
The x-drilled discs on a number of kits seem to suffer from cracking more than the slotted rotors ( although do look better sometimes )
I think that the cast iron calipers seem clunky old tech compared to the latest alloys, with stress and flow forged alloys billet machined to the last gram especially as we know saving weight on the suspension carried components always makes sense.
I understand all the theory that even a ropy brake system can stop you just as fast as its the tyres friction coef that decelerate you etc, hawever I have found different in practice as a full lock is not always the fastest and obviously the least controllable stop.
However the time it takes for a cheap system to stop controlled deceleration and lock and the feeling and modulation you get with high performance brakes is where the difference lies.
Measure with a pyrometer all around the tyre rim on cheap brake systems vs better systems and you will see larger disparity between min max temps on the basic system.
I also understand the benefits of the braided SS lines, proper propertioning and appropriate pads brake fluid boiling points etc.
But the brakes on the X are one area that lets it down, the feeling can be improved by the standard fix's pads,ss hoses, dot5 etc
But In my opinion I prefer the feeling of brakes on a gt3 or open racer and have driven a stock car with Wilwood STR brakes that was phenomonel.
With the new FI power gauntlets being trown down by FX, GJ and others how can we improve this other important aspect of our fantastic cars and to what extent ?
Max,G