Where are all the Production deliveries ??

[TDUDER]

nice! i was going to stop by an look at the car after it arrived but never had time. i live down the street from that store, but work at fremont.

our next allocation is valencia/black.

It was there for 3 days. (Offered to let them keep it for a while since they were so good to me.)
Acura LG’s 2nd unit went on order in October so maybe the EOY or Jan:
Same as mine: Valencia/Sable, with some carbon
We could take bets on how long it hangs around
My guess is a week or less…

 

[kendallj]

I can understand the dealers wanting to capture as much premium as they can.
Perhaps what they are missing is that while this is a special new Acura and to the Acura dealer it's a big moment, within the segment the NSX is in it's not such a big moment.
Lots of competition, latest magazine articles haven't been particularly kind to the car, and it' doesn't appear to be selling at the premiums being asked.
The dealer is looking at his local market, but the buyer is looking at the total US market.
Lots of NSX's available, suspect most sales are at MSRP or close to that.

Honda probabaly needs to keep an eye on the total unsold volume and how many dealers have a car unsold on the floor and are ordering another unsold.

Indeed. I wonder who Honda see as their focus customer for the NSX. A significant issue now is the increasing volatility of international financial markets, and for those who are the likely type of customer, if they are prudent it is going to mean conservation away from discretionary luxury spending. Sure there will be those who continue their tinted-goggle march unawares, and perhaps the rest of us who wait it out might benefit from the resulting discounted or repo bargains.

 

[JD Cross]

Indeed. I wonder who Honda see as their focus customer for the NSX. A significant issue now is the increasing volatility of international financial markets, and for those who are the likely type of customer, if they are prudent it is going to mean conservation away from discretionary luxury spending. Sure there will be those who continue their tinted-goggle march unawares, and perhaps the rest of us who wait it out might benefit from the resulting discounted or repo bargains.

Please remember that those who have bought the car (including a number of posters here) have paid the price.
And they will be the ones that you're hoping to get a bargain from should they fall on hard times.
And they may also be looking at dealers discounting a car that they paid list price for.
So for those who hope to benefit from a weakening market etc. keep in mind who is providing the benefit

 

[TDUDER]

I think this discussion has gone over the top with this macro international finance market repo stuff.
People who want these cars will buy them. Usually its disposable income that buys toys, of any price, as it should be...
(we're not negotiating for last of the model Chevy Tahoe here.)
None of the aforementioned factors, influence my decisions about any car.
And, I would not buy any car in this range, without researching the market without knowing the seller & that he can support the vehicle & maintenance.
That rules out 99% of cars.com for me bud.

 

[kendallj]

Please remember that those who have bought the car (including a number of posters here) have paid the price.
And they will be the ones that you're hoping to get a bargain from should they fall on hard times.
And they may also be looking at dealers discounting a car that they paid list price for.
So for those who hope to benefit from a weakening market etc. keep in mind who is providing the benefit

Sure thing - and sometimes those circumstances of loss can be due to the unjust and immoral actions of others, and beyond personal blame. But 'a fool and his money are soon parted', and if unwise decisions have been made, then it's live and learn like the rest of us have had to. There are plenty (myself included) who have experienced just those hard times you mention, and so we've had to learn to delay gratification and await our time.

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I think this discussion has gone over the top with this macro international finance market repo stuff.
People who want these cars will buy them. Usually its disposable income that buys toys, of any price, as it should be...
(we're not negotiating for last of the model Chevy Tahoe here.)
None of the aforementioned factors, influence my decisions about any car.
And, I would not buy any car in this range, without researching the market without knowing the seller & that he can support the vehicle & maintenance.
That rules out 99% of cars.com for me bud.

Good for you bud. Not everyone of course, can make such decisions with such financial impunity as you. No doubt you have a castle with moat and drawbridge to keep yourself separate from the common classes. And you are right - people who want them, will buy them - at the right price. Supply, demand, and water always ultimately finds it's level.

 

[Bricks and Bio]

Kendallj

from Acura's playbook #2 ;

the target customer is 25-49 with annual income of $450K. From what I am seeing here, I believe the customers will be older and have higher incomes.

the expectations include 92% looking for the car to exhibit true craftsmanship (we got that), 77% are ok with full price as long as the quality is there and there is service (quality yes, service from Acura so far no but dealer service was there for me) and 76% expect the purchase process to be a pleasure (again Acura failed but my dealer was beyond compare).

regarding delivery, 84% want 0 miles on the car (mine had 2 so close enough), 33% want home delivery (I looked at setting that up but I just wanted to take the car home sooner than later) and 37% want delivery in a separate room (my dealer had a delivery area but no separate room, I could care less about having a couple take delivery of their MDX at the same time, it was pretty funny when the wife of the couple said she wanted the white on instead (my car))

regarding the economy, I would not be surprised to some sheet hitting the fan but in the U.S. you also have about 2 million household who can afford toys like this. Most stay away but one should look at the continued demand for Ferrari, huge increases for Lamborghini, the ability for McLaren to re-enter and build volume, for Aston Martin to hang in there and for Porsche to expand as a indicator that the haves are out there and they will keep on having.

 

[chrisn]

The nice thing about markets and the price system in (relatively) free societies, is that "it is what it is." There is no need to theorize about whether buyers exist or transactions will occur at a given price. We just have to sit back and wait for the evidence. No macro analysis will convince me that I won't like my car (I do) or I won't buy the car at MSRP (I did).

Also, everything is relative. The MDX buyer can't conceive of someone spending NSX-money on any vehicle and I can't imagine anyone spending $1M+ on any vehicle. Whatever. Live and let live.

 

[kendallj]

The nice thing about markets and the price system in (relatively) free societies, is that "it is what it is." There is no need to theorize about whether buyers exist or transactions will occur at a given price. We just have to sit back and wait for the evidence. No macro analysis will convince me that I won't like my car (I do) or I won't buy the car at MSRP (I did).

Also, everything is relative. The MDX buyer can't conceive of someone spending NSX-money on any vehicle and I can't imagine anyone spending $1M+ on any vehicle. Whatever. Live and let live.

I understand, but I was thinking more about the bottom-line implications for the manufacturer (Honda) - they absolutely need to continue to produce an 'exotic' that is selling in sufficient quantity to at least pay it's way and ultimately produce a dividend for it's shareholders. My point was based around that the margins for profitability in the car industry ARE very finely balanced - they indeed DO 'need to theorize about whether buyers exist or transactions will occur at a given price', else there is little point in making the cars in the first place.

Past recessions have demonstrated clearly that exotic car sales DO fall considerably - Lamborghini dropped from 2400 units per year in 2008 to 1300 in year 2010; Aston Martin sold 40% fewer cars in 2009 and has yet to come anywhere near 2007 levels; Porsche's 911 Turbo saw a 50% drop in the same period, and so on also with Bentley and Maserati.

My point about the 'tinted goggles', is that we are again in a period of naive blind sentiment because of cheap interest rates and the seduction that 'all is doing well' by the stock market and real-estate pundits, when in reality, the underlying fundamentals that created the 2008 crash have not been dealt to at all - the illusion of market growth has been totally buoyed by massive QE injections throughout the western world, and this bubble simply cannot keep expanding. The levels of debt compared to 2008 are now incomparable, and so there HAS TO BE a coming massive correction and reorganization of the global financial system, the magnitude of which means we are now in uncharted waters. I'm not a habitual pessimist, but I refuse to not heed the warning bells.

 

[chrisn]

[MENTION=32799]kendallj[/MENTION], the awesome thing about "halo" cars is that the manufacturer DOES NOT need to make a profit on these cars, in isolation. They spread the cost over their entire line of cars. Which is awesome for enthusiasts.

 

[powdbyrice]

Also, everything is relative. The MDX buyer can't conceive of someone spending NSX-money on any vehicle and I can't imagine anyone spending $1M+ on any vehicle. Whatever. Live and let live.

A lot of these MDX customers dont want to spend MDX-money on an MDX. :biggrin:

 

[kendallj]

@kendallj, the awesome thing about "halo" cars is that the manufacturer DOES NOT need to make a profit on these cars, in isolation. They spread the cost over their entire line of cars. Which is awesome for enthusiasts.

True, true :smile: but... was it Nick Robinson who said they are under pressure to attempt to re-coup the investment in the NSX?

While the bread and butter sales of Civics and Accords will be where Honda generates it's cash flow, the margins of profit only come from top percentile of that sustained volume. Hit a global financial crisis and those profits quickly disappear, at which point the company has to downsize production and prune to reduce unprofitable overhead. I wish Honda all the best.

 

[JD Cross]

My point about the 'tinted goggles', is that we are again in a period of naive blind sentiment because of cheap interest rates and the seduction that 'all is doing well' by the stock market and real-estate pundits, when in reality, the underlying fundamentals that created the 2008 crash have not been dealt to at all - the illusion of market growth has been totally buoyed by massive QE injections throughout the western world, and this bubble simply cannot keep expanding. The levels of debt compared to 2008 are now incomparable, and so there HAS TO BE a coming massive correction and reorganization of the global financial system, the magnitude of which means we are now in uncharted waters. I'm not a habitual pessimist, but I refuse to not heed the warning bells.

While you may be absolutely correct in your assessment, may I suggest that there are better forums for expressing these views than a car enthusiasts forum.
Are you an NSX owner?

 

[kendallj]

While you may be absolutely correct in your assessment, may I suggest that there are better forums for expressing these views than a car enthusiasts forum.
Are you an NSX owner?

JD - who's to know how appropriate it may be for someone here? It's a public forum and therefore open to free expression subject to honorable discourse.

And yes, I am a car enthusiast (an armchair one at that), but I've owned a series of Honda's among other brands and have come to appreciate core design values that have led me to generally prefer Honda over other choices. I'm blessed to soon receive an inheritance that will give me for the first time in my life the opportunity to pay cash for a performance car significantly above my usual budget, thus why I am here in this forum.

I'm also somewhat an entrepreneur and follow the international financial markets fairly closely. I'm also acutely aware of the corruptions of power among the ruling elites that are comfortably insulated above the effects of their mismanagement and manipulations of the markets. They don't care when our wealth is devalued and decimated by their actions, because at the end of their day, we are just workers on their plantations. If a little nudge toward financial prudence saves someone hardship and heart-ache, I have no problem expressing some warning here.

 

[Bricks and Bio]

The weekly update

The steel brakes were slated to be available by now but are not. Some delay from Brembo (they supply the steelies too).
Car covers are delayed because of quality issues with the textile bag the cover comes in.
The specialist was not familiar with the quality survey being sent to owners (silo issues again).
I received my model today. Very nice. A few folks had mismatches with theirs (one had the wrong interior color, a few had the wrong wheels).
NSXPO will have a couple of cars there to take attendees out for laps at Sebring.

 

[platinumsc]

I have not been impressed with the looks as seen in videos and pics. But I visited the Acura store owned by my boss and saw one in person.
I almost flipped/\. The car looks so hot in the flesh. The lines are sharp but smooth. The width, height and lowness are all what I love.
Only thing I didn't dig was the wheel design. But I don't usually care about wheels anyway. if I bought one they would be gone, even if I liked them. Its what I do.

You new owners...I'm a little envious. Just a little.

 

[Bricks and Bio]

platinum

Certainly one of the best experiences to date was walking into the dealership and seeing the actual car. At some point while reviewing things at the sales person's desk, the reality hit me that I was taking the monster home that day and it completely wrecked my concentration for going over the personal settings.

I had seen the prototype (without an interior) at the car show and that was a good teaser for the real experience.

 

[brucewinter]

71 and holding..........

71 New and Used Acura NSX for sale


Read more at https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searc...mdId=21685&akamai-feo=off#a47JXTuyhGyQDsam.99

 

[fastaussie]

that model looks amazing...

 

[powdbyrice]

its a solid model

 

[docjohn]

nice touch.....Ford seems to have a better organized concierge service for ordering the GT

 

[Bricks and Bio]

I saw a video from Shmee, the vlogger in the UK who got a GT allocation

i believe he said you have to fork over 50% of your configured car's price to place your order

so a $400k car would leave you $200k out of pocket best case

i also believe the customization for the GT is not that much (especially for the interior)

i got into my car with a 10% deposit and then ponied up another 10% plus registration (nasty sales tax in IL) to drive off the lot

 

[blue_myriddn]

NSXPO will have a couple of cars there to take attendees out for laps at Sebring.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Me me me! Take me out for a lap!

Seriously, after hearing about this technology for years now, I am super excited about actually being able to experience it!

 

[Bricks and Bio]

I have to believe all the NSXPOers will get a nice ride as these cars will be corporate supplied.

Also, I forgot to mention, the specialist will look into the extended warranty (currently a lack there of) question.

Today is crazy day in Chicago.

First World Series game tonight so I headed home early. Still crazy traffic. Obama may be in town. More cops in my neighborhood than I have ever seen.

With traffic that slow, plenty of opportunities for the car to get looks.

It appears that Acura has connected with teen age boys as I got the most stares, gaping mouths and pointing at it from them.
The bobble head nods from drivers coming in the opposite direction was pretty steady.
I even had a few of the above mentioned cops nodding and pointing.

I was also in a meeting at work and my boss's boss was telling me how discussion my car was generating. One of the big cheeses was going on and on about the car and saying, how did he (me) get one?

 

[RSO 34]

I have to believe all the NSXPOers will get a nice ride as these cars will be corporate supplied.

We also have the Pikes Peak NSX winning entry at nsxpo.

 

[lucky]

I was also in a meeting at work and my boss's boss was telling me how discussion my car was generating. One of the big cheeses was going on and on about the car and saying, how did he (me) get one?

love this line, where I work people couldn't believe an employee could have such a "exotic" car (and i have a Gen 1!!!) and that I must be getting paid too much (GRRR) they cant figure that hey its the same price as all of the loaded 2017 Accords in the parcade. guess we have some of them fooled