Is this an ebay/paypal scam or just an incompetent user?

[nsxotic911]

I put my set of Volk GTCs 17/18 for sale on ebay @ 1800 and have had a hell of a time trying to close the deal and get payment...

The email discussion is below. In short, the buyer first sends me an echeck. I asked him why he didn't just send me a straight funds transfer. He says he couldn't quite do it, to undo it and will try again. He does this multiple times and I still don't have funds. He wants me ot jump over hoops to try and get paymenet from him... I'm wondering if this could be some sort of scam, or if he's just incompetent.

Here's the latest (start at the bottom). There was some inline ebay discussion but this is the jist of it..

Hinh - Why don't you give me a call at xxxxxxxxxxxxx or give me a phone
number I can call so we can chat over the phone and try to clear this up. I
have not been at a computer all day, until now.

-Paul

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Hinh<[email protected]>wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> I have not seen any change in my PayPal account. Therefore, I can not
> make any progress forward to close this deal. Please make changes per my
> requests below that were advised by PayPal.
>
> Thanks,
> Hinh
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Hinh<[email protected]>
> *To:* <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 1, 2008 11:52:41 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Wheels
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> All payment pending on my account (echeck...$400, 600, 800) are needed
> to remove and create different amounts of on NEW invoice ( 500, 750, 550
> etc....) Otherwise, PayPal system won't let me do any thing here (I tried)
> since it still sees the same payments pending on my account.
>
> Thanks,
> Hinh
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* <[email protected]>
> *To:* Hinh<[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 1, 2008 10:33:15 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Wheels
>
> p@......>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Hinh<[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> That is another way to get around PayPal system. However, I prefer to go
>> with PayPal since it is safe and confidence for bot parties. Can you try a
>> suggestion method that I mentioned below which recomended by PayPal then let
>> me know. I want to close this deal soon as we can.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Hinh
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* <[email protected]>
>> *To:* Hinh<[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 1, 2008 9:53:00 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: Wheels
>>
>> If I give you my bank acct#, can you deposit the money there? Or, can you
>> send me a cashier's check? It should only take one day or so to get here.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Hinh<[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Paul,
>>>
>>> I am working hard on my end to resolve this issue with PayPal. I
>>> Talked to PayPal this morning. They saw on record, I attemped to make many
>>> times of payment from my PayPal to you at the same email adress in your
>>> PayPal and many pending payments to your PayPal. Therefore, PayPal system
>>> alerted and generated blocking on my creditcard type of payment to prevent
>>> fraud. Once, it generated the blocking for this transaction to your account
>>> will remain there. They recomended us to get around that is, you should
>>> clear all of the requested payments that you made on my account then change
>>> your Email adress to diffrence one on your PayPal account then request
>>> payment again. This way the PayPal system will not recorgnize the same
>>> person is trying to get money out from my PayPal.for may times. Please try
>>> that and let me know.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Hinh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* <[email protected]>
>>> *To:* Hinh<[email protected]>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 30, 2008 11:48:44 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: Wheels
>>>
>>> Paypal won't let you do credit card. You can't do instan transfer from
>>> the bank? We can just wait till the echeck clears I guess...
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Hinh<[email protected]>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>
>>>> I tried to close this tranaction much as you do on this deal but
>>>> unsucesfull . That is very frustrated. Please see attached an image that I
>>>> captured from my PayPal account. As you see, It is still blocked (Grey out
>>>> unselectable) for some reason. Even I added another credit card to this
>>>> account to prove my point. I will con tact PayPal again to resolve this
>>>> issue and will let you know soon.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Hinh
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* <[email protected]>
>>>> *To:* Hinh<[email protected]>
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 30, 2008 3:21:34 PM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Wheels
>>>>
>>>> Hinh, The request was made. Pleas make the transfer asap. We need
>>>> to close on this today so this can be shipped out tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Hinh<[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Paul.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was anxious this morning to make payment for this item so
>>>>> you can send the wheel to me this week but when I clicked paynow some how it
>>>>> went to echeck again ):
>>>>> Would you please cancel this transaction as you did before and build me
>>>>> through an invoice from your paypal. But please break it to two or three
>>>>> diffrents payments as I mentioned from last Email that I sent to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> HinhD
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>

Maybe someone knows this person. He's in the LA area. I don't know if he has an NSX or is on the board and I won't reveal any more personal info out of respect of his privacy..


PS: If anyone is interested in the set... I may quite this musical chair game with this guy... $1800 shipped to your door. http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114146

 

[tosugrad]

Scam for sure. Tell him no thanks.

 

[nsxotic911]

Scam for sure. Tell him no thanks.

What makes you say that?

 

[Dtrigg]

Paul,

Ship me your wheels to my P.O. Box. I'll complete the deal with him, send the wheels to him and then send you the money.:wink:

Seriously, I wouldn't deal with him. Just too strange. Good luck.

 

[nsxotic911]

Paul,

Ship me your wheels to my P.O. Box. I'll complete the deal with him, send the wheels to him and then send you the money.:wink:

Seriously, I wouldn't deal with him. Just too strange. Good luck.

Sure, send me a money order first and I'll 'ship' it wherever you want... :tongue:

I don't want to go through the hassle of relisting it ergh...and I think I'm going to go after him for breach of contact. He gave me his address, so I know where he lives. He has a nice 750K house

 

[Dtrigg]

Sure, send me a money order first and I'll 'ship' it wherever you want... :tongue:

I don't want to go through the hassle of relisting it ergh...and I think I'm going to go after him for breach of contact. He gave me his address, so I know where he lives. He has a nice 750K house

Hear what you're saying. The breach of contract could work.

Good luck.

Doug

 

[HTN]

Whenever I make a purchase or pay an employee, I go out of my way to make sure that payment is made on time. Good business dealing should not have a bunch of run around non-sense.

I bet that the lender is having a hard time too getting their payment on time with that $750K property.:biggrin:

 

[PhiAlpha44]

That's total horse $hit.
Don't do the deal.
Don't deal with people that obviously can't write in proper English and make absurd requests. We've all sold stuff. We've all accepted PayPal. You sell, they pay. End of story. F- all that.

 

[nsxotic911]

I just talked to the guy over the phone.. he seems like an older guy with modest English and new to paypal. He was quite surprised to hear that he can setup a new paypal account with a different email and then choose "send money"..

He said he'll try that tonight... let's see what happens.

 

[nsxotic911]

After nearly an hour on the phone today and countless hours over email.. I finally walked him through click by click, over the phone and got paid.

::HEAVY LOUD SIGH/GROWL::

 

[nsxotic911]

Next question.. what's the best method to ship taking into account cost and security of wheels..? Any suggestions.

Thanks.

 

[slamstrom]

FedEx and insure for the actual amount. FedEx is pretty good and prompt in paying out for its coverage. UPS takes some time, and good luck with USPS if anything happens. Do spend a little bit more on packaging material. Good packaging = headaches avoidance.

 

[theman1990]

I was gonna say I've not heard of many scammers giving phone numbers....