How many owners have crashed their NSX by sliding the rear end out???

[dxd]

I just got the NSX-R strut bars from SOS and I have to say what a freakin difference!!!!! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: That is the best purchase for that car so far for me.... I really got on it to see if it breaks loose, and end result is that I am not scared of it snapping out anymore... Fear is gone... All confidence once again.... Until I crash it again that is...:wink: Everyone should have these bars... in fact I think that it is prettty f-ed up that they don't provide these stock.... Anyhow i have to say these are the SHIT.... You notice right when you leave the drive way that it is more solid of a car... TO all that replyed to this thread, if you don't have these strut bars, go get them right now.... Thanks Chris and SOS for providing quality to the forum...

Went to their site and could not find it there. What was the cost of the upgrade?

Thanks, Dennis

 

[Hapa88]

This happened to me, as mentioned before. Came into a turn hot (same corner the SUV is in, in the first picture), hit a patch of water in the middle and I lifted throttle and slammed on the brakes. Anyway, this was my first NSX:

 

[NSX Status]

You can ask Chris at SOS... call him and tell him to give you what he gave me... You will not be disappointed....

Went to their site and could not find it there. What was the cost of the upgrade?

Thanks, Dennis

 

[NSX Status]

OUCH... I did the same thing but there were a row of parked cars....:wink:

This happened to me, as mentioned before. Came into a turn hot (same corner the SUV is in, in the first picture), hit a patch of water in the middle and I lifted throttle and slammed on the brakes. Anyway, this was my first NSX:

 

[Wheelman]

Count me in this club. 3 weeks ago, rear end swung out on me and the NSX jumped a curb and kissed the wall. Insurance totaled it out. Weird thing is that I had the non-compliance rear beam, Comptech Toe Links, and Front Clamps.......sitting in my garage for 4 months but never got around to install it. I sold the rear beam already but still have the other non compliance parts still for sale if anyone is interested in buying them here..

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83237

I'll post some pics of the aftermath.

 

[nsxtasy]

Went to their site and could not find it there. What was the cost of the upgrade?

I assume he is referring to the "NSX-R chassis bars" on the Science of Speed website for $82 for the lower bar and $159 for the bar and bracket set. Click here.

 

[nsxtacey]

I almost lost control twice, once on the track due to not putting enough gas exiting a turn and once when it was 22 degrees out and forgot how hard the oem tires can get and almost spun the rear at the first turn I made at light going maybe only 15mph.

I think midengines are easier than rear engines. I drove a 996tt a midengine also and awd. Even with the awd the midengine wt bias was hard to control.

If you want to drive the car hard do it on a track and be safe.

 

[Mr.Wolf-Spokane]

Add me to the mix... I too lost the rear end just coming out of a left turn. I slid off the road into a gravel/grass mix and scratched the chrome of the drivers side wheels having me to send them back to LA for re-chroming.

This car will fly out when it's not expected

 

[kreh]

Friends, I had the same thing happen to me. Went around a corner and was too agressive on the throttle; car went into a spin (like a spinning top) and ended up in the middle of the road -- was very lucky.

Has anyone heard of this happening with other mid-engine sport cars, e.g. Ferrari or Lambo? Is this just a characteristic of the NSX?

 

[PhiAlpha44]

Quite frankly, my NSX scares the shit out of me when I push it "hard". I drive pretty conservatively now. If I push it too hard on the street I can literally feel my NSX wanting to break free.QUOTE]

I agree with this completly. I was driving in a down pour once and took an easy 2nd gear turn onto another road. Brand new tires, not sure if there was some standing water on the road... probably a little. Anyway, just got in the gas a bit in 2nd and she started to come around on me. I was so far away from the side of the road I thought of absolutly nothing but to hit the brakes. No cars around, nothing to hit, so I'd just hit the brakes and bring her to a stop. Hell I was only going 20 mph tops. Nope. She just slid and slid and slid right off the road into a muddy soy bean field. I'm glad I live in the country. In the city that would have been a parked car. Out here I just got her a little muddy and lost the tow hook cover which I replaced the next week. My buddy wanted to take a video of me getting pulled out of the field with his phone but I was so embarassed I told him not to. I did however snap one muddy pic of her with my phone before we took her to the car wash.

 

[dxd]

How is the NSX on the track?? I just sold my 911 and tracked her a few times. I never had a problem with the 911 and always felt safe even at the limit. I think having the engine in the ass end actually make the 911 less likely to spin on it's axis. The front end just feels "floaty" but with time/experience you can master it and drive fast without the fear of losing control. At the track events the Ferraris that I raced against ALWAYS would spin on their axis while the Porsche just kept chugging along. The Carrera GT's also tend to lose control faily easily.

I love my NSX but after reading this thread I am a bit nervous about driving her at speed. Is this something to be concerned about? One of he reasons I sild the 911 and bought the NSX is that I am having a child and the hard racing days are pretty much over and I do not plan on tracking the NSX... I am starting to believe the mid engine cars handle the best however at the limit they can be the most dangerous? Any thoughts?

 

[Coz]

I'm amazed how many people have spun their cars.
I have been driving mine rather tame so far. Been testing the limits here and there when the time and space for errors is right.

However, this post sticks in my mind when I go around various Freeway interchanges at higher speeds like I do with the Pantera at 90+ mph. I get close to these speeds with the NSX and this topic pops in my mind and I hold back. Last thing I want to do is get surprised and be saying "Oh Sh*t. I've been driving mid engine type cars most of my life and I've not really had to much of a problem with this after learning the do's and don'ts. But then I've had many years learning to drive mid engine cars and lots of practice at it. Over all I still think they handle better than front or rear engine cars when driven correctly.

One thing this topic has done for me, since being a new NSX owner is very seriously look at the upgrades that will counteract this situation as best as possible with the NSX since from what I'm reading is a sneaky little devil in regards to getting loose. These upgrades have become a pirority for me since I drive my car pretty hard and intend to track it here and there.

I'm doing the coil overs on Monday. Will be doing sway bars and body bracing sometime very soon as well. Not to memtion the other upgrades suspension wise I'm learning about from being on this forum. Very cool !

I would think that a wide body kit, wider wheels & tires would also improve this rear end situation.

A totaled car can be replaced, a totaled person cannot......I would like to avoid both :wink:

 

[AdnanVCS]

Head a nice slide in a Test Drive with a NSX pressed the traction control button off. LOL

 

[Meeyatch1]

Accidents on public roads initiated by Daryl and Daryl doing stupid things always amaze me. The only good thing is those same people post their lack of good judgment on searchable public forums for future litigation.

Some people post it to prevent others from making the same mistakes that they did. You must be an attorney.

 

[apapada]

I am starting to believe the mid engine cars handle the best however at the limit they can be the most dangerous? Any thoughts?

being a better handling car and being more tricky at the limit are not opposite concepts. I define "better handling" in this case as being able to go around corners faster than other cars.
At higher speed, things also happen faster and reflexes need to be even faster. The NSX being another mid engine car whose instantaneous CG will move back-and forth from its rotational axis makes its very tricky at the limit. Most car with engines at the edge of the chassis do also experience a relative motion but do not have their CG move front-to-back or vice-versa as the weight shifts.
Yes, it can be dangerous to the unexperienced and unaware driver as you may experience oversteer when you lift or tap the brakes and required to do counter-intuitive things (as give gas) to save it.

 

[ozone]

So do you guys consider the NSX a safe car? I have very little experience behind the wheel of one, but consider myself a half-decent driver. I like to corner fast, etc like any sports car enthusiast. I don't track but I wouldn't be purchasing an NSX to be a Sunday cruiser.

 

[LJSB]

So do you guys consider the NSX a safe car?

I guess it depends on who is driving.
Buying a performance car does not make a person a better driver in fact, it would very likely cause a person to get in trouble more easily and be less safe if they don't have the skills to control the performance the car offers.

I like owning a performance car, like the NSX, and pretending I'm a race car driver, and that I possess great driving skills.
The truth is I know I have to be careful not to get myself in trouble, because when you get down to it, I'm just a poser.:redface: This car is better at going fast than I am.

I figure if I went to every track event and driving/track school I could find, maybe in about four years I could get my ability up to that of the car.
I don't track this or any other car so, I yam what I yam.:biggrin:

 

[apapada]

So do you guys consider the NSX a safe car?

IMHO, there are safer cars out there for the inexperienced driver. I would never recommend any mid-engine car to a driver with limited driving skills. The car itself is not unsafe, but if one is clueless about its characteristics, then one might be in for an unpleasant surprise.

Since you have little experience with the NSX, I would recommend you attend a HPDE event near you. Make sure you register in the novice group eventhough you might have experience with other cars. If you are better than you say you are, the instructor will bump you up. Much safer than being on a track with faster drivers and having to be bumped down...

 

[ffffanman]

If your rear breaks loose, try not to touch the brakes.
After 32 years of driving and riding in others vehicles in the north here with snow and ice for half the year, one thing you learn is not to hit the brakes when she goes.
I have put my nsx sideways many times, including a few weeks ago down in the river valley on a twisty little road down there. A little moisture, a little ice and away she went. I have always found my car to snap back on its own, even when i keep in the throttle. It does jump out fast. I really like the traction control on my vehicle for this reason. It works fast and smoothly to cut power to those wheels.
Just my thoughts!
Trev

 

[kreh]

Excellent advice by ffffanman. Thanks for that. The trick is not panicking and hitting the breaks when things get loose. That takes experience.

 

[Bob Kenney]

It has become my experience with the NSX that when rear-end slips out stay with it by turning into the slide/drift. I ease up on the gas only slightly and never back off completely or it will snap back hard caring me into a slide in the other direction. If I hit the breaks it will snap back with a vengeance and I will spin in the opposite direction from the original slide.

For an example; it is typical on my car, if it slides to the right the snap back to the left is where I will lose it. I have become ready for it and when it starts to go left I correct my steering to go with the slide and keep some gas going and it simply straighten out.

This is only my experience with my car and this condition occurs under hard acceleration from tire spin; I am not recommending this to anyone as a procedure its just what has worked for me.:biggrin:

 

[ffffanman]

Exactly Mr. Bob!
Correct that slide slightly with the steering wheel.
If you correct it too much, look out for the whip the other way and then the other way and then the other. You know........
Its hard not to freak out though when your back end slips out.
But its amazing how the TCS will help fix you up.
I actually push the car on one corner by the Legislature Grounds every friday nite going to Cailis Pub downtown just to feel the car correct itself.
Actually if you have a good slide going and you keep it to the floor its funny how the engine cuts back and you get this gutless feel from the engine until things are straight. Its almost embaressing if someone heard the engine sound.
Trev

 

[NSX Status]

I think the Twin Turbos are Rear Engine cars???? a little different..:biggrin:

I almost lost control twice, once on the track due to not putting enough gas exiting a turn and once when it was 22 degrees out and forgot how hard the oem tires can get and almost spun the rear at the first turn I made at light going maybe only 15mph.

I think midengines are easier than rear engines. I drove a 996tt a midengine also and awd. Even with the awd the midengine wt bias was hard to control.

If you want to drive the car hard do it on a track and be safe.

 

[Meeyatch1]

So do you guys consider the NSX a safe car? I have very little experience behind the wheel of one, but consider myself a half-decent driver. I like to corner fast, etc like any sports car enthusiast. I don't track but I wouldn't be purchasing an NSX to be a Sunday cruiser.

An NSX is as safe a car as the person behind the wheel wants it to be. If you drive normally, sure, it is fine. If you drive aggressively, you need to use proper care or you will get bit, just like any other car.

 

[Bob Kenney]

An NSX is as safe a car as the person behind the wheel wants it to be. If you drive normally, sure, it is fine. If you drive aggressively, you need to use proper care or you will get bit, just like any other car.

I totally agree with Meeyatch1; any car is only as safe as its driver. For me do I consider the NSX a safe car? YES it is. In fact it is much, much safer from a handling and breaking perspective [predictable and well balanced] than any other car I have ever owned. But with increased power and agility comes increased responsibility of learning to use it properly and at the appropriate time.

Additionally some others on this thread have made reference to modifications and how they effect handling, predictability and balance of the car. I agree absolutely; any modification has some impact on the balance of the whole. I can only advise to think through the modification and what its impact will be then tune or realign properly. If you modify, test the outcome and then refine to improve rather than denigrate overall performance.

These are great cars but remember the laws of Physics: 'actions have equal and opposite reactions'. :biggrin: