ASCC/NSX headed back to drawing board?

[White98LS]

YES!!!

http://news.windingroad.com/countri...ras-nsx-seen-going-back-to-the-drawing-board/

Although the article mentions that the front engine will likely stay. :frown: At least they're sort of listening though. That concept would have been a huge dud IMO if it ever made production.

 

[WingZ]

Good article! If it's true. Of course we all knew the ASC was just a concept and that just to show what the lines would be. The Tokyo autoshow car a fake as well??? that makes no sense why make two concepts when your going back to the drawing board Plus why would the President say "he's unhappy with the design" when he was the one introducing it? Maybe it's just to save face.

Well for the naysayers it's not a victory as the next car will still be front engine and for the ASCC lovers it's not a victory as we now will have to wait even longer for another sportscar from Honda. Guess I'll be keeping the S2000 at least end as that will probably be gone in a year or so as well:frown:

 

[White98LS]

Good article! If it's true. Of course we all knew the ASC was just a concept and that just to show what the lines would be. The Tokyo autoshow car a fake as well??? that makes no sense why make two concepts when your going back to the drawing board

I believe they're saying that they will no longer be introducing a "refined" version at the Tokyo Auto Show since they are going back to the start.

 

[WingZ]

I believe they're saying that they will no longer be introducing a "refined" version at the Tokyo Auto Show since they are going back to the start.

Hmmm then maybe they'll release a different concept. Unfortunately for Honda unless they do a mid engine they'll still meet heavy criticism. I really wonder what the problem is internally that they're having such a hard time designing a new car after the critical acclaim the NSX and the S2000. I don't mind a front engine ,but $150K????? why are they trying to out price Lexus makes no sense True it's still cheaper than the DB9 ,but I honestly can't see why the want to try and compete at that price range. Oh well hopefully soon they'll get it together and give us something nice. Maybe the HSC will drift back to the forefront...okay maybe not but a guy can still dream can't he:biggrin:

 

[Silver F16]

Here we go again. Let's wait another 3-4 years for the NSX successor. How many times have we heard that. Honda can reintroduce the 2nd Generation NSX on its 20th anniversary. Wait, it still has front engine!! Ouch!! Let's introduce a GT car on NSX's 20th anniversary and celebrate Honda new direction of making mainstream boring cars. We already have Toyota for that.

With all the news floating around about a future detuned S2000 and a half baked Euro Civic that does not live up to Type R name (Honda dumped the independent rear suspension), it is clear that Honda leadership is lacking in direction and is losing identity and sight of what Honda's key strength are as well as what their customer base wants. Instead, they now want to blend in with me too products. Toyota already has that market covered. Stay true to yourself Honda and be proud of it.

Despite my frustrations with the organization, if this is true, I'm glad Honda is opening its eye and reconsidering the NSX successor. Unfortunately, Honda still has one of its eyes closed as is still fixated on a front engine layout.

Here's the article in its entirety

"When Acura showed the Advanced Sports Car Concept off at Detroit this January, the car drew a lot of wows, but insiders let it be known that the shiny showstand beauty was not for real.

How could it be, when the concept was an engineless, interiorless fiberglass mock-up with blacked-out windows? Wait for the Tokyo Show in October, went the word, when Honda/Acura would show an updated version, much closer to what will appear in the showrooms around 2009, complete with promised V-10 engine.

Now comes word from a source familiar with the program that the Tokyo Show car won’t be for real, either and that secretly, behind the scenes, Acura has completely torn up the whole script and started over. Honda’s top management isn’t happy with either car, so we hear, so it’s back to the drawing board, again, at least in terms of how the finished car will look, although the basic proportions and front-engined V-10 package and all-wheel drive layout will stay…

Adding to the pressure, of course, is the Lexus LF-A and thunderous new Nissan Skyline GT-R, two major league rivals close to production and that at the going rate will beat the Acura into the showroom by years.

Another issue is price. While the NSX ended up a $90,000 car, Acura is thinking about $150,000 for the new V-10 car, which is Aston Martin DB9 money, near enough, so the customer base is set to be far more exclusive even than the NSX…. "

 

[ediddynsx]

For 150k my money will go to buying a F-car. Unless the new replacement is mid engine.

 

[White92]

I've said before on here that I know of someone who has recently been in 2 different running concepts for the next NSX. He did not drive them, but has sat in them. Meaning they had interiors, which the ASCC did not have. He has stated to me that neither of them looked like the ASCC, but both were front engine, V-10 vehicles.

I don't think the ASCC at the auto shows meant much. It was just for show and to get people's reactions. If they were serious in heading in that direction, it would have been a rolling vehicle.

 

[91 X]

:biggrin: Mr Honda has been trolling on Prime:biggrin: !!!

Let them try out a $150K Aston Martin killer(as lokng as doesn't look like the ASCC)...I gotta feeling they will bring back the NSX in a few more years (ala the Chevy Camero) and it will seem like a bargin at $90K:tongue:

 

[NSXBat]

For 150k my money will go to buying a F-car. Unless the new replacement is mid engine.

For 150K my money will go to buying a Lambo-G. Unlesss the new replacement is mid engine

Why isn't Honda shooting for the $90k-120k range?

 

[WingZ]

For 150K my money will go to buying a Lambo-G. Unlesss the new replacement is mid engine

Why isn't Honda shooting for the $90k-120k range?

Article say front engine.

 

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[MoreRPMs]

Here we go again. Let's wait another 3-4 years for the NSX successor. How many times have we heard that. Honda can reintroduce the 2nd Generation NSX on its 20th anniversary. Wait, it still has front engine!! Ouch!! Let's introduce a GT car on NSX's 20th anniversary and celebrate Honda new direction of making mainstream boring cars. We already have Toyota for that.

I wonder what the hell ever happened to (referring to the Sports Car Int'l article in '99 or so) "the next NSX is already finished? Let's say it was in fact, the HSC car. So they kept this thing under wraps for years and years, and when finally shown they hit us with 300 hp V6?! Followed, of course, by a mad dash back to the drawing boards.:biggrin:

With all the news floating around about a future detuned S2000 and a half baked Euro Civic that does not live up to Type R name (Honda dumped the independent rear suspension), it is clear that Honda leadership is lacking in direction and is losing identity and sight of what Honda's key strength are as well as what their customer base wants. Instead, they now want to blend in with me too products. Toyota already has that market covered. Stay true to yourself Honda and be proud of it.

So the half-assed CTR is gonna run a live axle? That's hilarious. It all makes sense though.....dump the Integra line (including the best FWD car on the planet, the Type R), take out whatever "sport" was left in the lineup and slant all the cars a lot closer to luxury, cancel the NSX and along with it any hope of a mid-engine successor. The only really perplexing question remains: why in tarnation are they still in F1, probably spending a quarter of a billion or more per year? To promote TLs, MDXs, and RLs? The parent company's just in complete disarray.

 

[FrEsHaZzBuRu]

So the half-assed CTR is gonna run a live axle? That's hilarious. It all makes sense though.....dump the Integra line (including the best FWD car on the planet, the Type R), take out whatever "sport" was left in the lineup and slant all the cars a lot closer to luxury, cancel the NSX and along with it any hope of a mid-engine successor.

20th century Honda engineering > 21st century Honda (Acura Advanced translates to Honda Half-a$$ed)

BRING THE OLD HONDA BACK!!!


here's another link btw...

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/02/21/rumor-nsx-development-halted-acura-going-back-to-drawing-board/

 

[WingZ]

20th century Honda engineering > 21st century Honda (Acura Advanced translates to Honda Half-a$$ed)

BRING THE OLD HONDA BACK!!!


here's another link btw...

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/02/21/rumor-nsx-development-halted-acura-going-back-to-drawing-board/

Dang! most of the reader reply's totally trashed Honda ( one even trashed the NSX )!

Maybe Honda needs to check in to rehab..LOL

Seriously though there must be some serious internal struggle that's causing all of this. I mean they keep turning out cars and trucks. What's so hard with making a new sportscar? Also not to open up a can of worms what's so hard with just revamping their sportscars like they do their car and trucks?

To bad we don't know anyone in Honda to find out what the deal is:frown:

 

[Viper Driver]

While I am glad to see someone at Honda come to their senses, there are still 3 issues that bother the hell out of me.

1. Why are they going to keep the car front-engined? I still for the life of me do not understand this move. They have a chance to develop a sense of "lineage" with the current NSX by sticking with the mid-engined layout. Rather than trying to link an ugly, heavy, front-engined car with the NSX, why not just build a new NSX? Soichiro and Senna are surely rolling in their graves right now.

2. Why are they going to keep the car front-engined? For the life of me I do not understand this move. Two of their chief Japanese competitors are building "supercars" that are front-engined and possibly all-wheel-drive, and they have at least a two-year head start on Honda. In addition, Honda is looking at pricing the NSX significantly higher than the Lexus and the Infiniti.......WTF are they thinking?

For a flagship car, it should be a no-brainer for Honda to try and set it apart from the crowd. How are they going to do that? Apparently, they are going to make it more expensive rather than make it more exciting. Great move, Honda.

3. Why are they going to keep the car front-engined? I have no idea why they are doing this.

:tongue:

 

[Silver F16]

Oh, I got a good laugh out of your 3 issues. Funny stuff, I thought I was re-reading the same sentence. In an Japanese Mag. interview, Mr. Uehara indicate he preferred mid-engine for the NSX successor.

I think the internal stuggle here is with Fukui. The previous Honda CEO Yoshino approved the HSC. Fukui came in and killed it and started talking trash about a Fat pig with front engine V10. I suspect Fukui is more about V10 hype than light weight substance of the NSX formula. Remember that in the early development of the NSX, V8 and V12 mules were built and rejected due to weight concerns. With Soichiro running the show, Honda was very focused back then.

While I am glad to see someone at Honda come to their senses, there are still 3 issues that bother the hell out of me.

1. Why are they going to keep the car front-engined? I still for the life of me do not understand this move. They have a chance to develop a sense of "lineage" with the current NSX by sticking with the mid-engined layout. Rather than trying to link an ugly, heavy, front-engined car with the NSX, why not just build a new NSX? Soichiro and Senna are surely rolling in their graves right now.

2. Why are they going to keep the car front-engined? For the life of me I do not understand this move. Two of their chief Japanese competitors are building "supercars" that are front-engined and possibly all-wheel-drive, and they have at least a two-year head start on Honda. In addition, Honda is looking at pricing the NSX significantly higher than the Lexus and the Infiniti.......WTF are they thinking?

For a flagship car, it should be a no-brainer for Honda to try and set it apart from the crowd. How are they going to do that? Apparently, they are going to make it more expensive rather than make it more exciting. Great move, Honda.

3. Why are they going to keep the car front-engined? I have no idea why they are doing this.

:tongue:

 

[Airwolf AE86]

suddenly, the Audi R8 sounds like a good deal for the price tag..

 

[ediddynsx]

They just need to make a mid engined V10 car thats wide enough to accustom the motor....give it SH-AWD, monster brakes, F-1 tranny and call it a day.

 

[SaberX]

I think this is all goodness. It's better to produce the "right" thing than to half-ass it. Honda knows this next car is important and they want to get it right. I for one, think this is the right move... but they need to get focused. And focus on their key principles that have made them a success... Honda, don't forget where you came from!

 

[NetViper]

I am glad they scrapped this car. I think it would have been a huge failure. At least the first NSX was unique. The ASCC was LAME.

Throw that v10 in the HSC, do a few styling tweaks and call it a day.

The R8 is about as close to a Next Gen NSX as any of us will see for a long time...

 

[6spdterror]

I have always lived by the principle......."never forget what made you successful"
It seems that honda is doing just that. They keep making concepts and scrapping them all the while other manufacturers are getting the jump on them. I still think the HSC was the best suitable successor to the NSX. I dont care if they kept the 6 cyl either. If porsche can get 415hp from a normally aspirated 6......so can honda.

 

[Zanardi 50]

Throw that v10 in the HSC, do a few styling tweaks and call it a day.

I don't think it's physically possible to just cram a v-10 motor into the HSC's engine bay unless it's longitudinally mounted. Honda, being Honda, would probably like to keep the trunk space and mount the engine sideways, which wouldn't fit given the similar dimensions the HSC shares with the NSX. From what I read in a Japanese magazine article a while back (sorry, can't remember trhe source), the HSC concept was supposedly a heavily modified NSX chassis with a different skin.

 

[NeoNSX]

:biggrin: Mr Honda has been trolling on Prime:biggrin: !!!

hehe... maybe. But even a blind man could see the ASCC was ugly. :wink:

 

[WingZ]

I think the internal stuggle here is with Fukui. The previous Honda CEO Yoshino approved the HSC. Fukui came in and killed it and started talking trash about a Fat pig with front engine V10.

Oh snap! So Fukui is the MF that got the HSC cancelled I do not like this man! Had I known this his ( Fukui ) trip to Detroit would've been very different! No I'm not apologizing for these comments either!

 

[AR]

I don't think it's physically possible to just cram a v-10 motor into the HSC's engine bay unless it's longitudinally mounted. Honda, being Honda, would probably like to keep the trunk space and mount the engine sideways, which wouldn't fit given the similar dimensions the HSC shares with the NSX. From what I read in a Japanese magazine article a while back (sorry, can't remember trhe source), the HSC concept was supposedly a heavily modified NSX chassis with a different skin.

Lambo managed it with the Miura, with a V-12, why can't at least Honda try???

Cheers,

AR