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GM Declares Bankruptcy Imminent After $4.2 Billion Third Quarter Loss

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GM today announced a third-quarter loss of $4.2 billion on revenues of $37 billion while spending $6.9 billion of their lifeblood-like cash on hand. Although initially we thought the big news here was a cash spend of $2.3 billion per month, compared to around $1.1 billion a month in the previous quarter, but the real story is that GM basically acknowledged what we said first last month that bankruptcy is imminent (and we might add, were laughed at by some members of the auto intelligentsia for it) — as close as the end of the year if GM doesn't receive help.

Why is the cash burn rate so important? GM isn't exactly cash rich and needs to have at least $10 billion to operate and currently has around $15.8 billion on hand. This means that if the current trend continues the company will be unable to operate in approximately three months, meaning that they'll have to declare bankruptcy as we previously outlined. GM itself basically admits this themselves saying:

"Even if GM implements the planned operating actions that are substantially within its control, GM's estimated liquidity during the remainder of 2008 will approach the minimum amount necessary to operate its business. Looking into the first two quarters of 2009, even with its planned actions, the company's estimated liquidity will fall significantly short of that amount unless economic and automotive industry conditions significantly improve, it receives substantial proceeds from asset sales, takes more aggressive working capital initiatives, gains access to capital markets and other private sources of funding, receives government funding under one or more current or future programs, or some combination of the foregoing."
To summarize: give us some money or we're going to go bankrupt and the economy will have to grapple with the horror of hundreds of thousands of unemployed workers. Announcement from General Motors below.

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GM Reports Third Quarter Financial Results

DETROIT –General Motors (NYSE: GM) today announced its financial results for the third quarter of 2008, reflecting rapidly deteriorating market conditions in the U.S., slowdowns in other mature markets around the world, and continued losses at GMAC Financial Services (GMAC).



During the third quarter the turmoil in the global credit markets resulted in the worst financial crisis in more than 70 years. The upheaval has had a dramatic impact on the auto business in particular, especially in the U.S. and Western Europe.

Tight credit, rising unemployment, declining income, falling stock markets, and continuing deterioration in the housing market in the U.S., resulted in an abrupt halt in consumer spending, with most consumers exiting the vehicle market. Many of those still intending to purchase vehicles were denied financing, or found the cost of financing prohibitive.

“The third quarter was especially challenging for the auto industry. Consumer spending, which represents close to 70 percent of the U.S. economy, fell dramatically, and the abrupt closure of credit markets created a downward spiral in vehicle sales,” said Rick Wagoner, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer. “The U.S. government’s actions to help stabilize the credit markets and eventually ease the credit crunch are an essential first step to the economy’s and the auto industry’s recovery, but further strong action is required.”

GM reported a net loss of $2.5 billion or $4.45 per share for the third quarter, including special items. That compares with a net loss from continuing operations of $42.5 billion or $75.12 per share in the third quarter of 2007, which included a non-cash charge of $38.3 billion to establish a valuation allowance against some of the company’s net deferred tax assets.

On an adjusted basis, GM posted a net loss of $4.2 billion or $7.35 per share, compared with a net loss from continuing operations of $1.6 billion or $2.86 per share in the same period last year.

Revenue for the third quarter was $37.9 billion, down from $43.7 billion in the year-ago quarter, reflecting dramatic sales declines across the industry driven by unstable market conditions, instability in the credit markets and dramatic retraction in consumer demand, especially in North America and Europe.

GM recorded net favorable charges of $1.7 billion for special items in the third quarter. Included in the charges was a curtailment gain of $4.9 billion resulting from the UAW Settlement Agreement becoming effective. The curtailment represents the accelerated recognition of net prior service credits, largely relating to the 2005 GM UAW healthcare agreement, scheduled for amortization after January 1, 2010.

The curtailment was recorded because GM's UAW retiree health plan will not exist after January 1, 2010, and therefore no further basis for deferring unamortized prior service credits exists beyond that date. The $4.9 billion curtailment gain was partially offset by a non-cash $1.7 billion settlement charge related to the elimination of post-65 salaried retiree healthcare coverage, including the cost of increased pension benefits that were announced in July as part of GM’s operating actions to improve liquidity as well as the recognition of accumulated deferred losses related to the healthcare plan.

In addition, GM reported charges of $652 million relating to its commitments as part of Delphi’s bankruptcy proceedings, $251 million for impairment of investments in GMAC, and $641 million in restructuring-related and other charges. Details on these and all other special items are in the financial highlights section of this release.

GM Automotive Operations

GM reports its automotive operations and regional results on an earnings-before-tax basis, with taxes reported on a total corporate basis.

GM recorded an adjusted automotive loss of $2.8 billion ($947 million reported loss) in the third quarter 2008. The loss compares with adjusted automotive earnings from continuing operations of $98 million in the third quarter of 2007 (reported net loss of $1.6 billion).

The results reflect losses in GM North America (GMNA) driven largely by the U.S. industry volume decline of nearly 20 percent, and shifts in product mix. In addition, Europe saw rapid auto market contraction, leading to sharply lower GM Europe (GME) sales volume in the third quarter. GM Asia Pacific (GMAP) results were down due to commodity hedging charges and moderating demand in key markets including China, Australia and India. These losses were partially offset by very strong results in the GM Latin America, Africa and Middle East (GMLAAM) region.

GM’s automotive results in the third quarter include $1.5 billion of expenses related to mark-to-market changes in the value of GM’s commodity and foreign exchange hedging contracts, due almost entirely to falling commodity prices.

GM sold 2.1 million vehicles worldwide in the third quarter, down 11 percent year over year. Sales in GMNA were down 19 percent compared to third quarter 2007. GM global market share was 13 percent, down 0.7 percentage points compared with the third quarter of 2007, due largely to weakness in North America and Western Europe.

Cash and Liquidity

Cash, marketable securities, and readily-available assets of the Voluntary Employees’ Beneficiary Association (VEBA) trust totaled $16.2 billion on September 30, 2008, down from $21.0 billion on June 30, 2008.

The change in liquidity reflects negative adjusted operating cash flow of $6.9 billion in the third quarter 2008, driven by the industry-wide slowdown in vehicle demand and compounding credit crisis, especially in North America and Europe. During the quarter, GM drew the remaining $3.5 billion of its secured revolving credit facility and made $1.2 billion in payments to Delphi as required by agreements between the companies as part of Delphi’s bankruptcy proceedings.

GM expects adjusted operating cash flow in the fourth quarter to be much improved versus the third quarter, and more consistent with the first half of the year. Improvements in fourth quarter cash flow are largely driven by anticipated improvements in working capital in North America relating to sales allowances, and lower fourth quarter finished vehicle inventory in Europe.

Improving its liquidity position remains a top priority for the company. In response to deteriorating market conditions, GM announced today that in addition to the $15 billion in liquidity initiatives it outlined in July 2008, it has identified $5 billion of incremental liquidity actions. Cumulatively, GM has announced actions aimed at improving liquidity by $20 billion through 2009. To date, $10 billion in internal operating actions have either already been completed or are on track for full execution by the end of 2009.

Even if GM implements the planned operating actions that are substantially within its control, GM's estimated liquidity during the remainder of 2008 will approach the minimum amount necessary to operate its business. Looking into the first two quarters of 2009, even with its planned actions, the company's estimated liquidity will fall significantly short of that amount unless economic and automotive industry conditions significantly improve, it receives substantial proceeds from asset sales, takes more aggressive working capital initiatives, gains access to capital markets and other private sources of funding, receives government funding under one or more current or future programs, or some combination of the foregoing. The success of GM's plans necessarily depends on other factors, including global economic conditions and the level of automotive sales, particularly in the United States and Western Europe.
 
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"GM Judged Too Big to Fail as Pelosi Embraces Industry Rescue"

Jesus Fn C.... if we keep bailing out everyone then who is going to rescue the US Treasury?

Where's my check? "CL65 Captain Judged Too Big to Fail as Pelosi Embraces LovFab NSX Fund Rescue"


 
They need to file bankruptcy. That's the only way to renegotiate UAW contracts.
 
"GM Judged Too Big to Fail as Pelosi Embraces Industry Rescue"

Jesus Fn C.... if we keep bailing out everyone then who is going to rescue the US Treasury?



You and me pal.


btw to the OP, I'd be a little more careful with your thread titles. You could cause a lot of unnecessary confusion.
 
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"GM Judged Too Big to Fail as Pelosi Embraces Industry Rescue"

Jesus Fn C.... if we keep bailing out everyone then who is going to rescue the US Treasury?

Where's my check? "CL65 Captain Judged Too Big to Fail as Pelosi Embraces LovFab NSX Fund Rescue"




we sent you the check and you spent it all on weed and kookie hats.:eek:
 
They don't renegotiate Union contracts in BK.... they rape them! Take it from someone who's company was profitable and dragged into BK and through the 113c process.

It's really the only way the automakers are going to come out of this is to purge all the albatrosses and start off a clean slate. I would not be f-cking with any directly related auto stock right now. I shorted bwa but took it off too soon. The unions killed these companies nothing else. Anyone care to name a union where more than one generation of worker has fully benefited from the union?

When you take an uneducated person and pay them 40 bucks an hour to push buttons then back them with a union you have a recipe for disaster. If these people weren't working at GM they would be flipping burgers at McDonald's for 7 bucks an hour. This being said the should be bolting down seats for GM at 8.50 an hour and be happy to get it but the union has filled their head with dreams and ca-ca. It will hopefully be a big reality check for the people who work for the automakers.

When you make business to expensive for the owner of the business they just don't do business. Look at Detroit, the city, it's ruined and not just until the automakers pick back up again it's forever. Very rarely does anything go back together better than it comes apart.

I have seen it around here over the period of my lifetime. This used to be a mecca for beer breweries. Just about every beer was made around here. I remember a news clip when I was younger of an obviously uneducated worker loading the miller labels into a machine that put them on the bottle. She was making like 35 dollars and hour when the average wage was 6-7 bucks an hour. I thought at the time "you better keep your mouth shut and not make waves." But they didn't and now there are a bunch of empty breweries around here and a few people more on the government cheese.

Unions give uneducated people the fantasy that they have the upper hand. What in fact is true is the Union lawyers and rep's get really rich bankrupting the company.
 
I saw this coming a year ago. I WISH WISH WISH I would have shorted their stock. I don't think you can legally short it now since it's so low.
 
I saw this coming a year ago. I WISH WISH WISH I would have shorted their stock. I don't think you can legally short it now since it's so low.

You can still short it but there isn't any shares to short. Interestingly enough there is going to be one of these companies that is the Cinderella story and pull through and someone will buy a pile of stock and or options and smash the ball right out of the park. Like the guy who shorted sub-prime and made billions there will be someone on the other side of this swing who comes out a shinning star.
 
The stuff GM is coming out with right now is pretty damn good. I drove the Hyundai (genesis) yesterday as my mother in law is looking for a new car. It a pretty good car for the money I have to say. Look at how far Hyundai has come in just a few years compared to how long the USA auto builders have had to do their thing. It's really too bad but it's true. I think the end of the American auto manufacturers is VERY close.

You know something interesting with the genesis, Hyundai DID NOT put their logo on the car except in one place on the trunk very small. They know most people joke about their product as if it's a cheap POS. Instead of mashing the Emblem in the consumers face they backed down and said, look at the product then decide. They put their profits before their ego. Something Americans haven't been able to do for YEARS actually decades.
 
It's extremely costly to continually allocate capital to inefficient firms. In most cases, you can give them infinite money and they will still fail because the issues are structural, not market related.
 
That it’s a shame this is happening is an understatement. Did the unions have something to do with this? Sure. I’ve spoken with many UAW members and the stories of waste and ridiculously unproductive union contract agreements is simply mortifying. Even so, they are only part of the problem.

I also believe that GM management is very much to blame as they have driven this company into the ground with their lack of vision and lack of building a quality product among other issues. I would agree that only recently has GM built any quality vehicles. The new Malibu is one of them, a very nice car. However, you can only hold people hostage to an inferior product for so long before they bail.

BTW – a great read is “Honda – An American Success Story”. I wonder if anyone at GM has ever read it.
 
They will eventually go under even with a bailout. G.M. needs a complete overhaul.
 
Let them go bankrupt.

I agree. Let the company fail. Not to sound like a lynch mob, but all the people that are going to lose their jobs need to be given the names and addresses of the executives that put the company in this position so they can "talk" to them. :wink:

On another note I actually was expecting Ford to tank before GM. But seems like GM is hurting more...:confused:
 
I was a car designer for Ford Motor Company for the last 5 years until this summer when the massive lay offs there caught up to me.
As an "insider", I can say I agree with a lot of what has been said here. The domestic automakers have been too slow to react to the changing needs of the market. They depended way to much on large truck and SUV sales for so long. They also failed completely to keep up with the quality of the rest of the competition. They relied on many people buying domestic vehicles simply because they were made in the US. There is a new generation of car buyers now (me) that have grown up know that foreign cars have superior build quality and reliability...in general. The domestic automakers didn't open their eyes to this.
As steveny said above. Hyundai is a great example of how far a company can come in a short time. My hat is off to that company for the leaps and bounds they have made.
It was extremely frustrating while at Ford to see the lack of passion for automobiles in general that the employees there have. Most of them work there because its local and they know its a pretty decent paying job. I am just talking about white collar workers. The design staff did everything it could to move the needle in terms of design and quality while I was there, but was always blocked by the bean counters. I do have to say that GM has come very far recently though as well. The Malibu, CTS, Camaro, upcoming Cruze and Lacross all speak volumes of how much they have let design have more of a say in the products they are developing. The evidence is clear there. But unfortunately, its just may have been too late.
I hope the Big 3 pull through, no matter how it is done, because I would love to return to the auto industry some day. But I completely agree that they brought a lot of this on themselves.
 
I agree, I don't think a bailout is necessarily going to help them. Their business practices and strategy needs to be completely remodeled, and without this they will still fail no matter what amount of bailout money is thrown their way.

I think there was statistic I read not too long ago that said one in three jobs in the US is tied in some way to the auto industry. I think it was on Autoline Detroit. Geez, can you imagine what will happen if the Big Three drown?
 
In order for the US auto industries to be competitive with foreign markets, we need to get rid of the Unions and stop making garbage. Unions can't help you, if you lose your job due to plant closure or bankruptcy.
 
In order for the US auto industries to be competitive with foreign markets, we need to get rid of the Unions and stop making garbage. Unions can't help you, if you lose your job due to plant closure or bankruptcy.

IMO a union is no different than socialism. If you are lazy your ass is fired. If you are thinking about being lazy and witnessed the last lazy guy get fired well you won't be lazy. Pretty simple until you put the union in place and they protect the dead weight. Kinda like welfare and how it creates lazy people.
 
Regarding unions, this an older article but relevant. EDIT** The author definitely has an agenda, but these facts are indisputable. My uncle was sec.treasurer of a teamsters union, and this stuff went on all the time. I've seen it first hand.

Look at what some of the other problems and costs unions have incurred.

Again, from the UAW people I spoke to, they would straight out tell me how they are only required to meet certain quotas, and when that's reached they simply hang out and do nothing. There isn't a damn thing management can do. Claiming inordinate overtime is also a widespread practice (in EVERY union).
 
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It will be a very sad day in the history of the USA when/if GM goes out of business. But if there is a way to keep them alive and it means cutting back wages, then it needs to be done. If the UAW wants to block an initiave to cut wages, then there are a few hundred thousand people currently out of jobs who I am sure would take a job at GM. I say eff the unions and hire people who want to work for a living.
 
Regarding unions, this an older article but relevant. EDIT** The author definitely has an agenda, but these facts are indisputable. My uncle was sec.treasurer of a teamsters union, and this stuff went on all the time. I've seen it first hand.

Look at what some of the other problems and costs unions have incurred.

Again, from the UAW people I spoke to, they would straight out tell me how they are only required to meet certain quotas, and when that's reached they simply hang out and do nothing. There isn't a damn thing management can do. Claiming inordinate overtime is also a widespread practice (in EVERY union).


Just another example of the entitlement mentality. You're not entitled to a job where you can screw off all day. Get over it and get to work
 
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Just another example of the entitlement mentality. You're not entitled to a job where you can screw off all day. Get over it and get to work

Completely agree. When I was listening to these UAW guys talk, I was blown away. I just don't understand how this type of labor mentality has been tolerated for so long. How can you sustain a business operating in this manner? I guess GM is about to find out.

Again, I blame management and the unions. Ironically, together in concert they have achieved what in separation they wanted to avoid.
 
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