My NSX, too fast??

[Periokid]

OK, so I think I finally reached the point where I think I have gone too far.

CTSC
Comptech Headers
Cantrell Intake
Short Gear 5 Speed with 4.23 R & P
Tubi Exhaust

I took it for its real first drive with the transmission today. It was insane. At first I thought the clutch was slipping when I nailed it in first and the rpms jumped and I did not accelerate.

Quickly I discovered that the rear tires were unable keep traction and I have 18 x 9.5 inch wheels back there! First and second gear caused significant wheel spin. The tail goes sideways, even with the TCS on.

I wondering if I should consider getting rid of the comptech supercharger and leaving the other mods.

I'd never thought I'd ever say something like "it has too much power".

[This message has been edited by Periokid (edited 28 February 2003).]

[This message has been edited by Periokid (edited 05 March 2003).]

 

[Nimbus]

Get rid of the car, sell it to me.

 

[matteni]

In first gear - even stock 3.0 L - the NSX has almost too much HP for the stock wheels/tires to keep up - it is those 60-130 runs where the super really helps.

I am in the process of putting in the shortys, 4.23, jun ultra light fly, and a rebuilt (ceramic material) clutch. I already have the DC Sports headers, exhaust, Dali hot chip, and have removed some weight without adding a bunch back in.

Even without the super there is not a night and day difference side by side or on the track - especially if the other car does not have the exhaust mods, has added significantly more weight, and / or has negatively affected drag.

Don't flame me - the car is faster with the super and I really like the CompTech unit but it is not like stepping into a Hemming Viper with NOS or something.

I am hoping in my case that this is "enough" as the cost, maintenance, and risks of going up from here are significant.

BTW - let me know if you want to sell your super!

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Nick M

91' Red/Black with Many Mods
99' Honda Odyssey with Many Kids

 

[NoClgDeg]

Originally posted by Periokid:
OK, so I think I finally reached the point where I think I have gone too far.

CTSC
Comptech Headers
Cantrell Intake
Short Gear 5 Speed with 4.23 R & P
Tubi Exhaust

I took it for its real first drive with the transmission today. It was insane. At first I thought the clutch was slipping when I nailed it in first and the rpms jumped and I did not accelerate.

Quickly I discovered that the rear tires were unable keep traction and I have 18 x 9.5 inch wheels back there! First and second gear could significant wheel spin. The tail goes sideways, even with the TCS on.

I wondering if I should consider getting rid of the comptech supercharger and leaving the other mods.

I'd never thought I'd ever say something like "it has too much power".

[This message has been edited by Periokid (edited 28 February 2003).]

I'm sorry but you must be driving in the rain or a wet ground. I have driven the Factor X CTSC NSX with DC Headers, no cats, ARC Exhaust, Type R trans, stock wheels and tires and that thing puts down 360+ RWHP and it did not just spin the tires, go sideways etc. It was very fast and had explosive acceration but by no means was it all over the place.

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91 Red/Ivory #2061
K&N Filter, DC Headers, DaliRacing Chip

 

[Periokid]

Originally posted by NoClgDeg:
I'm sorry but you must be driving in the rain or a wet ground. I have driven the Factor X CTSC NSX with DC Headers, no cats, ARC Exhaust, Type R trans, stock wheels and tires and that thing puts down 360+ RWHP and it did not just spin the tires, go sideways etc. It was very fast and had explosive acceration but by no means was it all over the place.

Not wet at all. In fact dry as a bone. But it is about 30 degrees F.

 

[Factor X Motorsports]

Originally posted by Periokid:

Originally posted by NoClgDeg:
I'm sorry but you must be driving in the rain or a wet ground. I have driven the Factor X CTSC NSX with DC Headers, no cats, ARC Exhaust, Type R trans, stock wheels and tires and that thing puts down 360+ RWHP and it did not just spin the tires, go sideways etc. It was very fast and had explosive acceration but by no means was it all over the place.

Not wet at all. In fact dry as a bone. But it is about 30 degrees F.

Periodkid,

Has your suspension been set-up?

Speed Safely,

Factor X Engineering www.factorxengineering.com

 

[Periokid]

Originally posted by Factor X Motorsports:
Periodkid,

Has your suspension been set-up?

Speed Safely,

Factor X Engineering www.factorxengineering.com

Right now... Stock suspension.

 

[nsx4fun]

at 30F, you probably have microscopic ice/frost on the street and before you spun the tires you had rock hard rubber with little traction capability. Wait till summer and see if you still think you got too much HP.

 

[Periokid]

Originally posted by nsx4fun:
at 30F, you probably have microscopic ice/frost on the street and before you spun the tires you had rock hard rubber with little traction capability. Wait till summer and see if you still think you got too much HP.

I certainly agree that the cold decreased traction. No doubt.

 

[nsxtasy]

Originally posted by nsx4fun:
at 30F, you probably have microscopic ice/frost on the street and before you spun the tires you had rock hard rubber with little traction capability.

I rather doubt there's ice/frost on the street. Remember, you are (presumably) using high-performance tires that are often called "summer tires" because they are designed to be used in warm weather. Sub-freezing temperatures are not part of their optimal temperature range. That's what people don't understand about "winter tires" - they're designed not only to grip better on snow and ice, but also with a colder temperature range so that they grip better than high-performance tires on cold days even when the roads are dry. If you had Blizzaks on your car today, they might grip much better.

 

[madfast]

Periokid,
I am in NYC too. do you think you can take me on a ride in your nsx to see what's the power difference between N/A and a CTSC? man, you inspire me to specialize too. hehehehe

 

[nsxtasy]

Originally posted by madfast:
do you think you can take me on a ride in your nsx to see what's the power difference between N/A and a CTSC?

Do it when the weather is warmer and the streets are dry...

 

[Russ]

Nice, very nice...

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Russ
'91 black/black

 

[Periokid]

Originally posted by nsxtasy:
I rather doubt there's ice/frost on the street. Remember, you are (presumably) using high-performance tires that are often called "summer tires" because they are designed to be used in warm weather. Sub-freezing temperatures are not part of their optimal temperature range. That's what people don't understand about "winter tires" - they're designed not only to grip better on snow and ice, but also with a colder temperature range so that they grip better than high-performance tires on cold days even when the roads are dry. If you had Blizzaks on your car today, they might grip much better.

I agree 110%. In fact I have Blizzaks on my other cars. The NSX rarely goes out in the winter. I have a write up on my SLK website for those interested in my (and others) opinions on winter driving. http://www.slk32.com

 

[Periokid]

Originally posted by madfast:
Periokid,
I am in NYC too. do you think you can take me on a ride in your nsx to see what's the power difference between N/A and a CTSC? man, you inspire me to specialize too. hehehehe

You are welcome to come out to LI to take a ride.

Perhaps we should wait until the roads are warmer, as suggested.

 

[pixelhaus]

i am in connecticut, so i experience very similar if not the exact weather as you. i have 'all season' toyos and find that i can get sideways at will. (i live for drifting! ;^)

there is a good amount of sand on most roadways, even though you don't see it.

like nsxtasy said, get to a dry, clean road and give it a whirl.

-james

 

[HotRod]

Periokid,

Nice to see that another dental specialist has great taste in cars and mods. I have your set up except for the supercharger which I plan to get next month as long as the bills get paid. Had wondered if you had considered the Zanardi suspension to help you with your control problems? It seems like a nice balance between stock and too stiff.

Carpe Pulp,

Rod

 

[nsx_parts]

Put an AT in the car, that will slow you down!



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[LJSB]

My car is too fast. I make too much money.
My wife's too beautiful. The list goes on.
I guess we are here just to suffer.

 

[Periokid]

Originally posted by pbassjo:
My car is too fast. I make too much money.
My wife's too beautiful. The list goes on.
I guess we are here just to suffer.

It is horrible, isn't it.

 

[steveny]

Originally posted by Periokid:
OK, so I think I finally reached the point where I think I have gone too far.

CTSC
Comptech Headers
Cantrell Intake
Short Gear 5 Speed with 4.23 R & P
Tubi Exhaust

I took it for its real first drive with the transmission today. It was insane. At first I thought the clutch was slipping when I nailed it in first and the rpms jumped and I did not accelerate.

Quickly I discovered that the rear tires were unable keep traction and I have 18 x 9.5 inch wheels back there! First and second gear could significant wheel spin. The tail goes sideways, even with the TCS on.

I wondering if I should consider getting rid of the comptech supercharger and leaving the other mods.

I'd never thought I'd ever say something like "it has too much power".

[This message has been edited by Periokid (edited 28 February 2003).]

Remove your supercharger and send it to me. That should fix your problem.

 

[Periokid]

Originally posted by steveny:

Remove your supercharger and send it to me. That should fix your problem.

Hey, If I find that this more then I need, I'll consider selling the supercharger. But I have to drive it in warm weather first.

 

[nsx4fun]

NSXtacy,
I'm getting the distinct impression, that no matter what I post, You are going to tell me I'm wrong. Last time I checked, unless the humidity is at 0%, if the temperature drops below freezing, moisture will condense out of the atmosphere on solid surfaces as frozen ice/frost. Maybe the laws of physics don't apply back east, I haven't been there in awhile to check.

 

[NSXaholic]

Originally posted by pbassjo:
My car is too fast. I make too much money.
My wife's too beautiful. The list goes on.
I guess we are here just to suffer.

Life is tough -- at times we just gotta keep a stiff upper lip and move on.

Regards.

 

[nsxtasy]

Originally posted by nsx4fun:
NSXtacy,
I'm getting the distinct impression, that no matter what I post, You are going to tell me I'm wrong.

Only if you post information that is wrong. If you post something that's actually true, I'm not going to tell you that you're wrong. Try it and see.

Originally posted by nsx4fun:
Last time I checked, unless the humidity is at 0%, if the temperature drops below freezing, moisture will condense out of the atmosphere on solid surfaces as frozen ice/frost.

Nonsense. If that were true, then as long as the temperature were below freezing, the pavement would be covered with ice and that ice would continue to accumulate. I know you folks in California have some strange views, but this view - that air below freezing can't hold any humidity at all - is one of the strangest I've heard yet.

Moisture doesn't condense out of the atmosphere onto solid surfaces unless the humidity is close to 100 percent - whether the temperature is below freezing or above freezing. And when the humidity is around 100 percent and the temperature is below freezing, the humidity usually turns to a weather phenomenon known as "snow" before it reaches the ground.

One way of determining whether humidity will condense on the ground is to look at the difference between the temperature and the dewpoint. The dewpoint is the temperature at which the humidity would be 100 percent with the then-current amount of humidity in the air. If the temperature is close to the dewpoint, then moisture will condense on the ground (as dew if it's above freezing) and, if it's below freezing, in the air as snow. If the temperature is not close to the dewpoint, then moisture won't condense.

Originally posted by nsx4fun:
Maybe the laws of physics don't apply back east, I haven't been there in awhile to check.

I haven't been back east in a while either. But here in the Midwest, we get snow from time to time. Obviously you're not familiar with snow or cold weather or how it works. You ought to check it out some time - you'll learn something. Maybe even something about the laws of physics. And geography, too.

[This message has been edited by nsxtasy (edited 04 March 2003).]